And then once its being used enough apple and states can start charging a subscription to be able to use it. No thanks! I'm good carrying an ID which is already accepted everywhere.
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Downloaded mine a year ago. Soon figured out how useless it is and deleted it.
For travel, you can use Trusted Traveler with uploaded passport. Your face becomes your ID. "TSA PreCheck Touchless ID" will soon be available at 65 airports. Last trip, just looked at myself in a tablet mounted next to the TSA person and they waved me in. Same at airport immigration where "Global Entry Touchless Portals" can be used when returning from an international trip.
For travel, you can use Trusted Traveler with uploaded passport. Your face becomes your ID. "TSA PreCheck Touchless ID" will soon be available at 65 airports. Last trip, just looked at myself in a tablet mounted next to the TSA person and they waved me in. Same at airport immigration where "Global Entry Touchless Portals" can be used when returning from an international trip.
Apple currently allows the following to be added to Wallet:
- Debit/credit cards.
- Boarding passes.
- Movie, concert or other event tickets.
- Transit passes.
- Vaccination cards.
- Membership & loyalty cards.
- Digital keys for your home, car or hotels.
- Digital IDs (this article).
None of them have any charges or subscriptions attached that you have to pay just for the privilege of using them in Apple Wallet.
So why would you even make such a ridiculous suggestion?
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burgman
macrumors 68040
I know how it works, I also know how some less than honorable officers and departments work. Many have Palantir on their laptops in their cruisers now.
burgman
macrumors 68040
I don't think you understand how it could be abused by L.E.
burgman
macrumors 68040
Can you understand that there are times that one doesn't have that choice, especially with faceID enabled, or Touch ID on older models? Courts have allowed those two unlock methods forced by L.E., only password lock is safe. Watch some YouTube body cam videos when L.E. sprints over the line. Sorry for multiple posts some reason multi quote isn't working for me today...
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ShawnTXDFW
macrumors 6502
Everytime I read headlines like this, I get pretty excited. Until I click on it and realize that Texas is still not on the list. I think Texas is gonna be the last if you ask me. If at all. 🤷♂️
slippery-pete
macrumors 68030
Whatever you say. You aren't handing your phone over to anyone and the phone won't be unlocked. It will work the same way Apple pay does, officer will have a "reader". Literally do five seconds of research on this.
We get it, you don't like or trust the police. Have a good one!
LordArchie
macrumors demi-god
I used two weeks ago at LAX T4 without issue and again at JFK a few days ago. Zero issues and super fast. We're getting there!
Edit to add: It's 100% contactless, the phone never leaves your hand. Ya know.. just like ApplePay 😉
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How is the Watch worse? It locks the moment it comes off the wrist. And hardly has anything useful on it anyway. And has no biometrics so at least in the US at least so far your passcode can’t be compelled.
Not arguing just curious what you meant.
Quick edit: this actually led me to try the ID on the watch and actually I think that’s a way more secure way to show it. You have to authenticate to show ID details so on the phone there’s no way I can find to do that with it unlocked (I have double tap shortcut disabled and control center while locked disabled).
However on the watch I do have the double tap shortcut, and it prompts for passcode to show the wallet information, but that’s still a hell of a lot more secure to show someone while attached to your wrist which will auto lock if they try to take it off.
I realize none of that should matter at the TSA checkpoints which are the only place technically supported by this, but if more people understood how Wallet works more people would take it as ID in situations where there’s a little more wiggle room.
mansplains
macrumors 68000
Newsflash, renewing your physical ID is a subscription and your ID belongs to your governing state
drbroom
macrumors member
Yep, that's something i really want!!! to be tracked even more than i am currently! Digital IDs' are for one thing and one thing only, NOT for convenience, NOT for trust AND definitely NOT FOR SECURITY!!!
After spending the last 30+ year in information security (recently retired) there are a few things i am sure of: governments are no longer in control of our info, corporations are and while i have little trust in governments, especially these days, i am 100% sure that any info held by corps on me is for sale!
Digital IDs are for tracking you and controlling you! If you are seriously thinking of getting one of these take a moment and just google "pros and cons to digital IDs" for the facts and then "why are digital IDs a bad idea" for more opinions.
The last thing i would ask is, why are every technology savvy person (who are worth their salt) not going to get one?
BTW just in case you were wondering, the "RealID"s are not a digital ID, what they are, is a federally recognized ID not just a state ID. That is basically it!
After spending the last 30+ year in information security (recently retired) there are a few things i am sure of: governments are no longer in control of our info, corporations are and while i have little trust in governments, especially these days, i am 100% sure that any info held by corps on me is for sale!
Digital IDs are for tracking you and controlling you! If you are seriously thinking of getting one of these take a moment and just google "pros and cons to digital IDs" for the facts and then "why are digital IDs a bad idea" for more opinions.
The last thing i would ask is, why are every technology savvy person (who are worth their salt) not going to get one?
BTW just in case you were wondering, the "RealID"s are not a digital ID, what they are, is a federally recognized ID not just a state ID. That is basically it!
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None of this is absolutely vital to have on a phone or used in mass on a phone. Please remember, apple fanboy forums do not represent the majority of people as a whole.
Also, like the majority of services that were once free, a subscription or paywall ALWAYS shows up eventually!
Its the reason why BMW now charges a subscription for heated seats that used to be free. Skins in video games that you used to earn by playing are now behind battlepasses. And websites that used to be free with advertisements now have subscriptions WITH advertisements!
Apple is not your friend. They are a business out to make money. They will squeeze you for every penny you have. You really think all the app dev time, updates, and server infrastructure is paid with "love" from apple? Please grow up.
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IIGS User
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While I value my privacy, there really isn't anything on my phone that anyone else would see and I wouldn't go "ho hum" over.
Everything that's on your phone is all ready readable by the government without you even knowing about it. So if you're doing things with your phone that you don't want the gubment to see, well they see it all ready and you're hosed. Phones and electronics aren't for "privacy". Nothing you do that connects with the internet is remotely "private".
Now, when you travel internationally you have no expectation of privacy at the border. CBP can boot your laptop, phone, watch, tablet, or whatever and compel you to give them the passcode. Same as they search your bag. Be a single guy coming back from Thailand and see if your laptop gets through Customs without being thriced over.
Want to tell them to sick it and wait for a warrant? That's fine. CBP has a convenient year long backlog of devices to examine. Yours will go in the "wait and see" bin and then when they look at it and decided if they needed a warrant, you may get it back. In the meantime you're buying a new one to replace it.
I travel internationally about once or twice a year. In all that time I've been sent to "secondary" once and it was because my name was the same as some guy on a travel watch list. As soon as they looked at my stuff (and my demeanor and reaction to their questions) they kicked me loose. Never happened again.
I travel with my smart watch and phone. I like to take pictures when I'm on vacation. You want to look at the pictures of me and my 54 yr old spouse eating quesadillas and petting iguanas? Have at it. It's boring.
Everyone's digital life should be boring by design. Otherwise you may as well post a billboard on the local interstate.
Why would anybody give their phone to the police when it should be being used to record them. Always record the police.
slippery-pete
macrumors 68030
While I appreciate your post/information, I am not sure what it has to do with my response to post regarding digital license and the posters fear of law enforcement abusing this.
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That's great to hear! Hopefully reliability is improving everywhere.
Really tired of people pushing this incorrect information. You do not give your phone to the police—the ID doesn't even have text info on it that can be read, it just shows the default image for your state and your name. Instead of having to hand the police anything, police who accept these have a scanner that you tap your phone to just like using Apple Pay.
I used the new TSA PreCheck Touchless ID. No phone or drivers license required. Your face is your ID. The first version has been available for years to bypass the immigration lines when arriving in international flights.
alphaod
macrumors Core
While this can be a feature that lets you leave your photo ID at home, I think this is more privacy and security focused since your phone by default doesn't display your name, DoB, address, etc. Same way NFC/EMV payments have make outright stealing card numbers much harder.
If you think digital ID involves handing your phone to anyone, you're ignorant of how this works.