There was no 2008 mini, but there was a 2007 and a 2009. I have one of the latter on El Capitan. Speedy it's not but it does work. It also runs Linux. OK, it 'walks briskly' on Linux Mint MATE.
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Apple Says These Products Are Now Vintage
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Sure looks like it. Is the Intel HD 630 integrated graphics not up to the new GUI for MacOS 16?
I know you must be lying, because our family has 3 iPhone 6S Pluses in use on iOS 15. They still fly. Your Battery might just be old, since its 10 years old
And with an extra GB Of RAM it got an extra 3 years of OS updates ( 5 years if it got iOS 17 like 6th Gen iPad because that also has 2GB of RAM) but it had better software support than the 7/8/X
True but the Mac Mini wasn't discontinued until January 17, 2023 (the i3 variant discontinued November 10, 2020) so by that standard the Mac Pro 2013 still should have gone first.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Apple drops all Intel support in macOS 16. However, I don't think it is justified.
Note that the Mac Mini 2018 does have a T2 while Sequoia still supports the iMac 2019 which does not.
On the flip side, the MacBook Pro 2018 was already considered Vintage despite its T2 but still supported by Sequoia.
On the other flip side, the MacBook Air 2019, which also has a T2, is not yet considered Vintage but was dropped by Sequoia.
I think we have to admit that Apple's support policies are not consistent across hardware and software and not obviously coherent.
It will be interesting to see but note that would mean the MacBook Pro 2020 13" would also have to be dropped.
Also unclear what would happen to the MacBook Pro models with AMD graphics and 8th gen Intel processors that only switch on the AMD graphics when necessary -- if the Intel graphics aren't up to macOS 16 does that mean they will have to keep the AMD on full-time?
Then I have hard time believing the graphics in the 8th gen Intel aren't good enough but 10th gen are. Supposedly the 10th gen Intel graphics have twice the compute and shader units versus the 8th gen but practically speaking I don't notice a difference. Maybe none of the Intel graphics will be deemed good enough...
My 2018 Space Grey Mini i7 32Gb RAM runs headless as a NAS and Time Machine backup server. Never seems to Missa beat and I suspect it will continue to run that way for a long, long time.
iMac 2019 has Sequoia because it’s Intel CPU isn’t Kaby Lake
MacBook Air 2018/19 (despite the fact that it has the T2 Chip) didn’t get Sequoia because it’s Intel CPU’s are the kaby lake architecture ( Sequoia requires Coffee Lake and higher)
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Join the 6s owners here ..... served me well. Still keep it as part of my retro collection of past yesteryear products but upgraded to the next greatest "future vintage" ....iPhone Mini 13!! Oh boy...my 5.1 Tower MacPro Cheesegrater then must be classified "prehistoric" sitting next to my tiny mighty M4 Pro MacMini.
What's the driver situation for "vintage" Apple computers?
For example my main computer is a 2014 laptop from Lenovo, which for example Nvidia still releases drivers for its GTX 860M. Now I know it's not apples to apples, but the question remains. I am curious. I do have a 2012 Mini, but I stopped using it years ago when FCP moved to the new (at the time) engine and the performance dropped like a ton of bricks.
For example my main computer is a 2014 laptop from Lenovo, which for example Nvidia still releases drivers for its GTX 860M. Now I know it's not apples to apples, but the question remains. I am curious. I do have a 2012 Mini, but I stopped using it years ago when FCP moved to the new (at the time) engine and the performance dropped like a ton of bricks.
No I am not. Mostly because I don't like the idea of any "intelligence" on my phone.
I am the kind of guy who spends at least half an hour with a new phone, disabling most settings.
I did buy one secondhand iPhone 15 Pro Max with 512 GB storage. Because it has a fast USB-C port. I use it for video recording in Apple ProRes, and some photos. Most of the time it's shut off, and stored in a drawer.
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I still remember owning a 6s all those years ago. 3D Touch, to me, was a great feature and I wish it was never removed.
Haptic Touch basically does what 3D Touch did, although it is nowhere near the same. Especially how the “pop” aspect has been lost.
By that I mean, for example, you can long press on an email which gives you a “peek” but then you have to tap again to “pop”. Whereas before a single hard press to do both felt so much nicer.
Haptic Touch basically does what 3D Touch did, although it is nowhere near the same. Especially how the “pop” aspect has been lost.
By that I mean, for example, you can long press on an email which gives you a “peek” but then you have to tap again to “pop”. Whereas before a single hard press to do both felt so much nicer.
Not quite sure I am following the exclusion of Kaby Lake processors. Is there something specifically limiting about Kaby Lake? Generally I see Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake treated as optimizations of Skylake.
Note that iMac Pro is Skylake-W but still supported by Sequoia.
Translation: Dropping support for all Intel Macs, Sequoia is last.
Possibly but then why not designate all remaining Intel-based Macs as Vintage? Why just the Mac Mini 2018?
Apple bundles the drivers with each version of macOS so it comes down to when macOS drops support for that entire model. For example, Sequoia dropped support for the MacBook Air 2018/2019.
The two things I find interesting from this are:
1) Apple's Vintage designation only seems to apply to hardware support while software support (i.e. inclusion in the latest macOS) seems independent -- some hardware considered Vintage is still supported by the latest macOS while some hardware dropped from the latest macOS aren't yet designated Vintage
2) I've yet to see any simple rule that explains why Apple drops hardware or software support for any particular model -- with every explanation there is an exception
I have an example of those graphics being lame, my kid has an i7-8700 bought used. It has the HD 630 graphics and was unable to properly run some computer game, possibly Minecraft. There was no ground under the moving character, only borderlines for the surroundings until you stopped, etc.
An AMD 7850 video card was scrounged from a friends parts bin. The card is so old the BIOS didn't want to recognize it, but eventually we found the magic command (disabled boot protection) to allow it to work. And the game suddenly worked fine.
I looked up the various benchmarks on the Passmark site. The HD 630 is rated at 1113. That vintage 7850 is 3850. Interestingly I used to have a compact PC with 2014 vintage i5-4570-R, the R meaning Iris Pro 5100 graphics. It benchmarked at 1225. So Intel did nothing with on-board graphics for four generations.
It's no surprise they are in trouble and trying to dig their way out. My not top of the line Ryzen 4600G does 2406 on that benchmark.
Unfortunately the Passmark GPU benchmark doesn't seem to run on M series chips although the CPU benchmark does.
So what is keeping you in the Apple ecosystem? There are plenty of simple phones to choose from. Just curious.