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They can't use the money to hire more teachers. It comes from a bond issue that can only be used for infrastructure.

Detail a lot of folks either don't know or do and chose to ignore.

It's very typical in large districts for money to be assigned to certain items by taxpayer vote and can't be moved around outside of those assignments except by another taxpayer vote.

So if the taxpayer want to place blame on money being spent on this and got salaries they only have themselves to blame

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Are these the 16GB versions then, cause the 32GB iPads, with warranty are already $698 sans software.....seems like not a whole lot of memory for educational software and/or textbooks.

When you are buying 43k units you likely get a discount. Also, the warranty is likely via LAUSDs corporate support contract and not the standard Apple Care. So the unit cost could be closer to $450-500 leaving almost $200 per student for books and apps which will also possibly also be volume buys and thus cheaper.
 
Isn't it illegal for companies to almost "give away" their goods to grab a foothold in companies and organizations?

I remember when Apple was starting loose a lot of share in education (the 90's) because Dell and MS were essentially giving away their goods to education institutes... :eek:

The main difference NOW is that Microsoft CANNOT GIVE their stuff away... Nobody WANTS it. They burned so many bridges in the last 3 decades and never really delivered on making education better.
 
What a stupid waste of money. When Public Schools are struggling to keep teachers and are always under the gun for money. THIS is what they spend it on?

Most education systems are split into two desperate budgets now... So that we keep the teacher unions in line. In my state, "capital" budgets can be adjusted by localities and different tax rates, so excess tax money gets to go for "fun" projects like this because when extra taxes from new business rolls in tgey can buy new computers, or busses, or building upgrades... But they can't use it to pay for STAFF because that's not fair to all the districts.

b) OPEX money goes straight to the state and gets sent back in "fair" amounts to each district. That way poorer districts get a hand up.., and districts with large bases of Uni professors and professionals cannot vote their own districts unfair taxes and bigger budgets for paying teacher salaries because the state just takes it all.

That way TEACHERS are always under the boot for budgets, so its always THEIR FAULT there's not enough to go around. And local districts are bound to the State to get more money, its illegal for them to raise more themselves.
 
Textbook Replacements

I would guess that all of the content of paper textbooks are now stored digitally somewhere on a server in this day and age. That should make it fairly straightforward to migrate all of that content for use on tablets. The rural school district where I teach here in Texas has not had the ability to check out textbooks to each individual student for several years as each teacher has only a single classroom set of books. Moving to tablets in some content areas has been slowly happening here, and it seems to be working very well from what I can see. Moreover, the content of e-textbooks can be updated yearly as needed.
 
My school district spends $800 / student, which my understanding is lower than the national average. Spending $678 / student for iPads, if it means not buying textbooks, notebooks, and other office supplies, doesn't seem like a bad choice... But I guess I'd have to see their actual numbers and see how much they'll actually be saving.

It's highly doubtful that they will get rid of all of those supplies at once. But you are right, there are plenty of numbers to consider. First off, text books aren't purchased on a yearly basis. They are done every four or five years (or more, depending on funds). But same should apply to these iPads, though damaging an iPad is much more costly than damaging a textbook, unless Apple has some sort of deal going on with schools we don't know about. Another thing to consider is that the dollars per student, unless it is broken down for you, may include basic things such as utilities, groundskeeping, etc. Often times these numbers are essentially the cost to run the school divided by the number of students equals dollars spent per student. It may actually be a money savings in the long run, especially if they are able to get discounts updating digital textbook content, which brings me into a whole new topic altogether. Textbook publishers are the scum of the earth. They make minor updates, stop printing the "old" textbook, and start charging for the new. As such, I doubt digital textbook savings are huge at all. The best benefit I see is students not having to lug HEAVY textbooks around. I remember shoving 3-4 huge textbooks into my backpack and walking around school that way.

HERE is a nice, easy to read, and relatively up to date article with charts showing spending per student in LAUSD (it's more about prop 30, and why the school needs more money, and how they can get it, but it's still good info IMO). We are upwards of $5,000, but remember, that's not all just school supplies being caluclated in.
 
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Sure there's some extra config - no doubt highly automated, BUT I can't understand why they are paying more than retail!

when you buy big quantities, and you care at all about money, you negotiate a discount.
 
I can't believe they didn't buy netbooks. iPads are stupid. </sarc>

Seriously... this purchase makes a huge statement about which tablet and which OS is more useful in the real world, not just for playing Angry Birds. The school district could have had the MS product for much less but demurred. Did they even consider Android?
 
I can't believe they didn't buy netbooks. iPads are stupid. </sarc>

Seriously... this purchase makes a huge statement about which tablet and which OS is more useful in the real world, not just for playing Angry Birds. The school district could have had the MS product for much less but demurred. Did they even consider Android?

I would think that much of it had to do with the ability to lock down the OS pretty strictly. With Android, that's somewhat of a nightmare. Then you have to consider digital textbooks. AFAIK, Apple is the only one that really even provides this option officially, and I believe they have for over a year now.

For productivity, I would still go with a windows tablet, but for content consumption (and for all intents and purposes that is what these devices will be used for) iPad is still superior.
 
e-Books:
Don't get lost

But iPads can be lost. And since they're more desirable than textbooks by thieves, will be a magnet.

Not sure if it's still the same now, but when I was in K-12, if I lost a textbook, I had to pay for the replacement. If it's going to be the same for iPads, that's going to be a huge expense for those poor families when their kid(s) lose or damage that iPad.

Don't get chewed by pets

But iPads can be chewed on (and damaged when dropped).

and iPad is cheaper then a desktop computer.

At "a cost of about $678 per device," you can buy a basic laptop PC for 1/2 or 2/3 of that.
 
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It's highly doubtful that they will get rid of all of those supplies at once. But you are right, there are plenty of numbers to consider. First off, text books aren't purchased on a yearly basis. They are done every four or five years (or more, depending on funds). But same should apply to these iPads, though damaging an iPad is much more costly than damaging a textbook, unless Apple has some sort of deal going on with schools we don't know about. Another thing to consider is that the dollars per student, unless it is broken down for you, may include basic things such as utilities, groundskeeping, etc. Often times these numbers are essentially the cost to run the school divided by the number of students equals dollars spent per student. It may actually be a money savings in the long run, especially if they are able to get discounts updating digital textbook content, which brings me into a whole new topic altogether. Textbook publishers are the scum of the earth. They make minor updates, stop printing the "old" textbook, and start charging for the new. As such, I doubt digital textbook savings are huge at all. The best benefit I see is students not having to lug HEAVY textbooks around. I remember shoving 3-4 huge textbooks into my backpack and walking around school that way.

HERE is a nice, easy to read, and relatively up to date article with charts showing spending per student in LAUSD (it's more about prop 30, and why the school needs more money, and how they can get it, but it's still good info IMO). We are upwards of $5,000, but remember, that's not all just school supplies being caluclated in.

Which is why Apple is trying to change the way the textbook game is played. All iBooks textbooks are $14.99 or under, but may not be resold. Publishers charge $100+ for textbooks because they know that ~90+ of the time people aren't going to buy a new textbook - they're going to buy someone else's old textbook. Apple is hoping that by dropping the number of resells to 0%, publishers will cut their prices by 90%.

Note that this doesn't apply to books that aren't features in Apple's textbook section. Some publishers insist on charging their ludicrous prices and so are denied the opportunity to call their textbook a textbook in Apple's store... I'm not sure what they market them under instead.
 
But iPads can be lost. And since they're more desirable than textbooks by thieves, will be a magnet.

Not sure if it's still the same now, but when I was in K-12, if I lost a textbook, I had to pay for the replacement. If it's going to be the same for iPads, that's going to be a huge expense for those poor families when their kid(s) lose or damage that iPad.



But iPads can be chewed on (and damaged when dropped).



At "a cost of about $678 per device," you can buy a basic laptop PC for 1/2 or 2/3 of that.

Don't forget that Apple will replace an iPad for (I think) $250. That is far less than the $678 that was initially spent on it. Also, it sounds like this number has a three year warranty built in. Does that include accidental damage? Who knows, there is not enough information here.
 
I would think that much of it had to do with the ability to lock down the OS pretty strictly. With Android, that's somewhat of a nightmare. Then you have to consider digital textbooks. AFAIK, Apple is the only one that really even provides this option officially, and I believe they have for over a year now.

For productivity, I would still go with a windows tablet, but for content consumption (and for all intents and purposes that is what these devices will be used for) iPad is still superior.

But of course Windows 8 can be locked down. It's THE corporate OS -- well Windows, not 8 specifically. Plus I'm positive MS would have worked w/ the school district if they had security issues.

At any rate all the reasons you state as to why the school district decided on the iPad go to my point as to which tablet is more useful in the real world. The iPad is ready to go out of the box on every target you list. The others are not on one item or another.
 
Which is why Apple is trying to change the way the textbook game is played. All iBooks textbooks are $14.99 or under, but may not be resold. Publishers charge $100+ for textbooks because they know that ~90+ of the time people aren't going to buy a new textbook - they're going to buy someone else's old textbook. Apple is hoping that by dropping the number of resells to 0%, publishers will cut their prices by 90%.

Note that this doesn't apply to books that aren't features in Apple's textbook section. Some publishers insist on charging their ludicrous prices and so are denied the opportunity to call their textbook a textbook in Apple's store... I'm not sure what they market them under instead.

I was aware of those numbers, but, AFAIK, each tectbook has to be purchased for each individual student. What this means is that, in that same five year period of time, you are dropping $75 on said digital form of textbook. This limitation is based on how Apple distributes these iBooks. Essentially the unique Apple ID has to purchase the book. Now, it is entirely possible that the school will create the hundreds or thousands of unique Apple IDs themselves and each student doesn't get to necessarily keep the same Apple ID, or even same iPad, year after year. And even then, you need to consider the man hours to handle this task, dealing with vouchers, etc. At the end of the day, I just don't know that it's a money savings. I am not saying it has to be, but I am curious.
 
Misleading and undersold

My company bid on this deal. Here are the facts: This 30 million dollar purchase is part of the 500 million dollar complete purchase LAUSD will make within the next year and a half from Apple. So the writer is unaware/not divulging the total story. This is an amazing win for Apple and Apple did everything they could to win it. 30,000 role out in Sept, 300,000 in December, and another 300,000 the following December.

LAUSD is paying for this from a roughly 5 Billion dollar renovation bond. So 10% of that budget is going to putting tablets in every kid and teachers' hands. The RFP they put out had to be contorted some to make it all legally feasible to spend this money this way. None of it could go to teachers. It includes five years of high-end educational software, services, apps, insurance, and unless Apple was unwilling to comply with the requirement, a FIVE YEAR theft, loss, accidental damage, software fix, and anything else you can imagine coverage. (I think Apple will take a huge loss on this deal. Imagine 500 dollar ipads in every kids back pack in a very poor neighborhood. The theft on this is going to be huge. Either Apple will be losing a ton, or else an insurance company dumb enough to insure will go under.) Yes the kids get to take them home. Maybe not the K-3 level, but all the rest will.

The PC did not lose this deal because the can't compete at $199. No one who bid offered anything close to $199. Everything offered was at $650 up to $1150 dollars to cover the rediculous requirements LAUSD put on them. Who ever will own a tablet computer for five years??? Apple won because they were good and also the cheapest. The liability was huge so very few companies were willing to take all the risks LAUD required, and in the end it looks like it will be a big financial loss to Apple to win the name LAUSD unless LAUSD decided not to hold Apple to the same standard they required of everyone else (which has been LAUSD's policy in the past).

The State's new Common Core requirements will mean most schools will go a similar direct in the next couple years. LAUSD is ahead of the curve. However I'm not sure they are doing it in a realistic fashion. I am sure they are going to have a ton of troubles because they don't know what they're doing to make it SUCCESSFUL. (we could tell by how they wrote the RFP). Good luck Apple!
 
But of course Windows 8 can be locked down. It's THE corporate OS -- well Windows, not 8 specifically. Plus I'm positive MS would have worked w/ the school district if they had security issues.

At any rate all the reasons you state as to why the school district decided on the iPad go to my point as to which tablet is more useful in the real world. The iPad is ready to go out of the box on every target you list. The others are not on one item or another.

I didn't say windows 8 couldn't be locked down. I specifically mentioned this was an issue with Android. What iOS has over Windows 8 is the bookstore. At current, MS doesn't have a bookstore present. As such, their device isn't great for content consumption (again, referring to textbooks here). Windows 8 destroys iOS in content creation based on today's comparisons. But iOS destroys Windows 8 on content consumption, again based on today's comparisons. The schools are going to buy what is good for them today. No point in buying a windows tablet for every student, even if it were free, if there aren't really books to throw onto the thing. Also, wasn;t necessarily disagreeing with you. More adding to the discourse. Hope that is ok. :)

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My company bid on this deal. Here are the facts: This 30 million dollar purchase is part of the 500 million dollar complete purchase LAUSD will make within the next year and a half from Apple. So the writer is unaware/not divulging the total story. This is an amazing win for Apple and Apple did everything they could to win it. 30,000 role out in Sept, 300,000 in December, and another 300,000 the following December.

LAUSD is paying for this from a roughly 5 Billion dollar renovation bond. So 10% of that budget is going to putting tablets in every kid and teachers' hands. The RFP they put out had to be contorted some to make it all legally feasible to spend this money this way. None of it could go to teachers. It includes five years of high-end educational software, services, apps, insurance, and unless Apple was unwilling to comply with the requirement, a FIVE YEAR theft, loss, accidental damage, software fix, and anything else you can imagine coverage. (I think Apple will take a huge loss on this deal. Imagine 500 dollar ipads in every kids back pack in a very poor neighborhood. The theft on this is going to be huge. Either Apple will be losing a ton, or else an insurance company dumb enough to insure will go under.) Yes the kids get to take them home. Maybe not the K-3 level, but all the rest will.

The PC did not lose this deal because the can't compete at $199. No one who bid offered anything close to $199. Everything offered was at $650 up to $1150 dollars to cover the rediculous requirements LAUSD put on them. Who ever will own a tablet computer for five years??? Apple won because they were good and also the cheapest. The liability was huge so very few companies were willing to take all the risks LAUD required, and in the end it looks like it will be a big financial loss to Apple to win the name LAUSD unless LAUSD decided not to hold Apple to the same standard they required of everyone else (which has been LAUSD's policy in the past).

The State's new Common Core requirements will mean most schools will go a similar direct in the next couple years. LAUSD is ahead of the curve. However I'm not sure they are doing it in a realistic fashion. I am sure they are going to have a ton of troubles because they don't know what they're doing to make it SUCCESSFUL. (we could tell by how they wrote the RFP). Good luck Apple!

Interesting information, if true.Can you point to any articles? Wonder where the write of this article got their numbers from, as they seem off from what you state, at least the $199 MS tablet costs.
 
My point exactly. I think iPads can be useful in the classroom, but let's face it, they're a luxury this state can't afford.

Always makes me laugh, Americans going on about how poor they are. Third world country. Maybe you should stand in front of the Foxconn factory doors and ask for donations for struggling American schools.
 
seriously?
When I went to public shcool we disdnt even have air conditioning, or biology classes that taught evolution. That was in Louisiana though, so while the latter was regrettable the former was unforgivable.
 
More adding to the discourse. Hope that is ok. :)

Sure, but I suspect you know it is.

Always makes me laugh, Americans going on about how poor they are. Third world country. Maybe you should stand in front of the Foxconn factory doors and ask for donations for struggling American schools.

Yes, but it's all relative. Maybe you've never been inside an inner-city public school -- it can be pretty grim given the U.S. standard of living. Should public schools in the U.S. deny its students modern equipment until the plight of Chinese workers is solved?
 
Back when I was a kid we used to walk uphill to school both ways, in the dark while it was snowing.

blah blah blah.... ;)

Computer penetration/integration is huge in Canada, our educational statistics prove it's a good thing.

Soft Canadians, tztztz!

We were also carrying our brothers and sisters on our backs AND a backpack with books strapped to our chests, learning as we were walking!
 
Actually until they put out a push for education software etc like Apple did a couple of years ago, even free it could be an iPad sale

Valid point. :apple:

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What a stupid waste of money. When Public Schools are struggling to keep teachers and are always under the gun for money. THIS is what they spend it on?

What? You don't think these devices will replace the Humane Interface in Education? I'd be looking further down the road than you currently are. It will start with the elimination of Teacher's Aids. :apple:
 
Whats the big deal here? My school district did the same thing, but with MacBook Airs for all High School students, iPads for all Elementary/Middle school students, and macbook pros for staff/teachers.
 
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