Apple Secretly Developed Long-Range EV Battery Tech with China's BYD

[dugbug]

Expanding the user-facing carplay to multiple screens and encouraging high profile car companies like porsche to integrate it seems like a far more obvious move than a branded car.

 

[russell_314]

“This is one case where China is helping us.” — Suuuuuuuuuuure they are. 👍 …🙄

You don’t have to believe it, but but it’s a fact. American companies are using Chinese technology in their batteries. It’s a matter of them researching and implementing this technology before we did. In China BEVs annd HEVs are a significant portion of a new car sales. It’s unfortunate and a little embarrassing we let them get ahead in this area.

 

[timber]

“This is one case where China is helping us.” — Suuuuuuuuuuure they are. 👍 …🙄

A long time ago established manufacturers laughed of emerging American companies. Then the Americans joined the Europeans and did the same about Japan. And the three about South Korea.
Today in many areas nobody is laughing about China.

 

[I7guy]

If this story is true, Tim Cook needs to step the f*ck down… right now. Covertly using Apple engineers to give China and the CCP a $10 Billion research and development gift (in order to keep access to their massive market) is essentially what was done here. The pro-China bean counter needs to go. His (more than) decade of grift while riding Steve Jobs’ coat-tails and releasing yawn-inducing, iterative product updates needs to come to an end. Tim has ZERO new ideas worth pursuing and he’s dragging his feet while wasting BOATLOADS of Apple’s R&D money. This is all while continually cashing in stock options, annually, worth tens of millions at a time for himself. Worst of all, he is handing advanced technology to America’s #1 global enemy. — IT’S TIME TO RETIRE, TIM. You’re out of ideas and you’re really beginning to look a bit like a traitor to America, buddy. Now… take THAT to the bank.

There is no logical cohesive as to this post.

We don’t know how this collaboration is going to manifest itself in the future especially with some patents under its belt.

 

[Harry Haller]

China is far ahead of the USA when it comes to EV battery development. The USA is late to this game and lagging way behind other countries for EV adoption. This is one case where China is helping us. American companies are licensing patents on Chinese battery technology.

The proposed 100% tariff on Chinese cars might be a problem.

Biden finalizes China tariff hikes, including for EVs, batteries and solar panels

The administration's increases for this year include a 100% tariff on electric vehicles, a 25% tariff on lithium-ion EV batteries and a 50% tariff on photovoltaic solar cells.

www.utilitydive.com

 

[lkrupp]

Apple may have backed out of the EV market but the technology they investigated and developed in the process will undoubtedly be used in other projects to come. It was not a waste of money in my opinion.

 

[russell_314]

The proposed 100% tariff on Chinese cars might be a problem.

Biden finalizes China tariff hikes, including for EVs, batteries and solar panels

The administration's increases for this year include a 100% tariff on electric vehicles, a 25% tariff on lithium-ion EV batteries and a 50% tariff on photovoltaic solar cells.

www.utilitydive.com

It’s only a minor problem for Chinese car manufacturers wanting to market cars to the USA. It has zero effect on China developing EV technology and selling cars in China. IMO it’s needed at least temporarily because US car makers could not compete right now.

This isn’t going to have any effect on the technology used in making cars. It doesn’t put a tariff on US manufacturers using Chinese technology or Chinese companies producing batteries in the USA.

 

[russell_314]

accidental duplicate post

 

[Ctrlos]

They have received thousands of patents the many projects under the Titan umbrella.

If I was a trillion-dollar company wanting to change the world with my XR headset I'd be flitting money away on pointless patents too. Its a good way of throwing Samsung and other pretenders off the trail. Look at the shonky smartwatches they all made before Apple Watch was released. They didn't want a repeat of that.

The car designers they hired were for the product team. Ive was actually designing toilets when he was hired by Apple. (This helps explain that toilet seat iBook)

If you were working on a groundbreaking XR device but needed to collect real-world test data what makes more sense to disguise what you're working on: shoving them onto a crash helmet or enlarge the array and mount it to the roof of a car?

And it cannot be a coincidence that the very month the XR headset hits the market and can collect customer data for product development the mysterious car team is suddenly disbanded.

The iPhone famously started out as a projected interface on top of a dining table. Had the analysts seen this they would have assumed Apple was going into business with Ikea.

The car never existed. It was a ruse for the second-most secretive company on the planet.

 

[nerdAFK]

Apple ultimately canceled its car project in February 2024 after executives decided it was not a viable project.

Not viable with a $3 trillion market cap 😂

Meanwhile Tesla is leading mankind into a splendid future.

 

[fanarchist]

So glad, the Apple Car never happened. The last thing I need is to see Apple logos outside everywhere and when I'm crossing the street heading towards me.

 

[jooish]

Can't wait to see how the department of efficiency improves US productivity.

I'm just not happy with the way we do business in my country. It's all lies and scams... We have all these regulations that stifle business in the name of consumer protection, but all too often they just make it harder and more expensive to run a business.

If you don't have any personal experience with this then you won't understand.

 

[Jean Claude]

So Apple is happy to invest and partner with America's largest competitor ... how "progressive" ....

 

[CarAnalogy]

No. Apple realized FSD won't be possible for at least a decade and thus cancelled the project which was built around FSD. This is not conjecture, this has been reported by several sources.

Elon is either yet to realize this, or - more likely - he's realized it but just continues the grift anyway.

I get that it’s hard not to be cynical about Elon, but the same argument for Tesla applies to the Vision Pro. That thing won’t really be ready for mainstream for many years either. And if they don’t do it, who will?

 

[TheColtr]

So we’re just casually helping develop EVs in China now huh

Yeah, that way my thought too. Instead of trying to help US car companies, Apple chose to give its expertise to a Chinese company. This doesn’t make me feel good about Apple.

 

[citysnaps]

and then they realized they had no shot against Elon and cancelled the project.

No... Apple realized they had no shot for a decent business case considering the 100% tariff on EVs manufactured in China that was imposed by the US government six months ago.

 

[9081094]

Apple spent $10B on the cancelled car project. Their investment Didi alone was $1B.

When they’d used all those money and engineers for their other hard- and software I’m convinced we would’ve had a great iPhones, iPads, Mac’s and a working AI in 2023.

 

[9081094]

Yeah, that way my thought too. Instead of trying to help US car companies, Apple chose to give its expertise to a Chinese company. This doesn’t make me feel good about Apple.

Apple has become money driven and use the sentence made in the USA, environmental friendly only if it suits them. Why else is everything not upgradable, difficult (and costly) to repair if everything is soldered and glued together? Environmental friendly my ass.

 

[russell_314]

So Apple is happy to invest and partner with America's largest competitor ... how "progressive" ....

I’m not sure it’s correct to call them America’s largest competitor since they make and sell to us much of the stuff we use. What exactly do we make that we are competing with them on?

If you’re typing this on an iPhone or Mac, then you too have invested in “America’s largest competitor”. If you shop at Walmart, you’ve invested in them.

 

[Jimmy Goodwood]

Apple should have kept the car project going, but turned to Fossil Fuel Powered, Internal Combustion Engined vehicles.
All this electrification is just one big scam, consumers are already rejecting them on mass. If Apple competed in the conventional car business, with their innovation & manufacturing know how, they could be a major player if 5 to 10 years. We have hundreds of years worth of fossil fuels left, and who is to say that they won't discover much, much more than we currently know about. Electric cars are far less environmentally friendly than conventional cars by leaps & bounds. Why re-invent the wheel when it has already proven to be a very reliable system, just keep improving it.

 

[Thehangmn]

and then they realized they had no shot against Elon and cancelled the project.

Don’t worry, Elon does a good job shooting himself in the foot

 

[9081094]

I’m not sure it’s correct to call them America’s largest competitor since they make and sell to us much of the stuff we use. What exactly do we make that we are competing with them on?

If you’re typing this on an iPhone or Mac, then you too have invested in “America’s largest competitor”. If you shop at Walmart, you’ve invested in them.

You’re totally right about that. The dependence of manufacturing will cost us the capability to manufacture future products in the USA and the EU.

China copies and outinnovate all the companies that manufactures in China. Patents are of no use. In the end we all buy Chinese stuff and will be totally dependent on them.

I’m also taking part in this transition. It’s hard to find things that are not produced/manufactured in China. And if you find one… it’s too expensive so I don’t buy it. In the long run I also take part of killing our factories 😣

 

[9081094]

Apple should have kept the car project going, but turned to Fossil Fuel Powered, Internal Combustion Engined vehicles.
All this electrification is just one big scam, consumers are already rejecting them on mass. If Apple competed in the conventional car business, with their innovation & manufacturing know how, they could be a major player if 5 to 10 years. We have hundreds of years worth of fossil fuels left, and who is to say that they won't discover much, much more than we currently know about. Electric cars are far less environmentally friendly than conventional cars by leaps & bounds. Why re-invent the wheel when it has already proven to be a very reliable system, just keep improving it.

Where have you got that knowledge from?

 

[I7guy]

Apple should have kept the car project going, but turned to Fossil Fuel Powered, Internal Combustion Engined vehicles.

No they shouldn’t have.

All this electrification is just one big scam,

You’re flat out wrong.

consumers are already rejecting them on mass.

Incorrect.

If Apple competed in the conventional car business, with their innovation & manufacturing know how, they could be a major player if 5 to 10 years.

Leave the ice car business to the legacy players.

We have hundreds of years worth of fossil fuels left, and who is to say that they won't discover much, much more than we currently know about. Electric cars are far less environmentally friendly

Credible citation. That goes against credible thinking.

than conventional cars by leaps & bounds. Why re-invent the wheel when it has already proven to be a very reliable system, just keep improving it.

Because combusting dinosaurs is far more unhealthy than recharging electric vehicles.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

There’s flaws in every technology. When Apple actually develops AI that’s in the same realm as everyone else then I’ll believe anything they say. I love Apple but I’m suspicious of the motivations with this. To me this sounds like oh no, we couldn’t do it so we’re going to say what our competition is doing is bad

To me, it sounds like, “Well, whatdyaknow? This tech that is not designed to reason? It, in fact, doesn’t reason!” I have to say I’m a bit surprised that such a dry conclusion was met with outrage.

Then again, there are a large number of people that have emotionally vested themselves in their LLM of choice (not unlike folks did with Eliza many many years ago) and will not stand for anyone saying that their bestest most closest friend in the whole wide world is incapable of reason!