It won’t take much time they’re ahead of us in every technological way (they already are in lots of ways)Normally this won’t be that big of a deal if the government are trustworthy and good for their citizens, peaceful.
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Apple Secretly Developed Long-Range EV Battery Tech with China's BYD
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I wouldn’t be surprised if they built a car using the technologies car companies would have in a few years in order to ensure that their latest Car Play would work as expected. Perhaps even using their experience to communicate to manufacturers what they’ve found works best/safest.
You hit the nail on the head here. Making stuff in the USA costs considerably more with higher labor and environmental costs
People are outraged about AI? I’m not going to lie Siri can make me rage if I try to get her to do anything more complicated than setting a timer
Didn't Boeing outsource Dreamliner wings to China? May as well help a fledging aerospace competitor, too.
I guess hindsight is 20-20. They should just get out of the TV and movie game to focus on their core competencies.
lol
newly announced robotaxi without steering wheels in production 2026
texas + california unsupervised FSD for all Tesla cars in 2025
let's add Elon time
robotaxi in production 2028
texas + california unsupervised FSD in 2027
not a decade.
and they realized Tesla will get to FSD before they will
and Tesla has been having fat margins compared to the rest of the industry.
Tesla using BYD blade battery doesn't really counter "and then they realized they had no shot against Elon and cancelled the project."
Which would mean they have no shot against Elon considering Tesla is building the batteries and the car in USA.
“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.” — Plato
I don't think the decision was based solely on FSD not being available as rumors of the Apple car existed before FSD was mainstream.
IMO, Apple killed the car project through a few lenses:
1) COVID/remote work has changed transportation habits. Miles driven per year peaked in early 2000s and has been on a steady decline. Additionally, consumers are buying less cars. The average age of a car on the road is almost 13 years, up from 9 in the early 2000s and up from 6 in the 1970s.
2) Finally, and i believe this to be the kicker, Apple builds hardware to sell services. It's a service company at it's core (much higher margins, less commoditization). Maybe you could argue that FSD is a sellable service as Tesla has attempted, but the size of that market is largely unproven. Tech fans/early adopters who've ponied the $ up to Tesla are by no means an accurate sample. Car manufacturers currently make their profit predominantly off of maintenance and parts, a business Apple doesn't really play in.
That’s a laughable notion. The Chinese EV makers really don’t need Apple’s help to develop their tech. If anything, Apple is likely gaining more expertise from them, not the other way around.
If you’ve been following the EV market you’ll know that China and Korea dominates the EV battery market through BYD, CATL, and LG Energy. Even Tesla is using the BYD blade batteries in their Shanghai and Berlin giga factories. Just over three quarters of EV batteries used world wide are made in China, with the rest mostly scattered across the EU. This is one area where Chinese and Korean companies have a huge first mover advantage both in technical expertise and scale.
Translation “The CCP has everything now”.
Apple secretly collaborated with Chinese automaker BYD to develop long-range electric vehicle battery technology as part of its now-nixed Apple Car project, according to Bloomberg.
Beginning around 2017, the partnership focused on creating a battery system using lithium iron phosphate (LFP) cells. The joint effort aimed to produce batteries with longer range and improved safety compared to typical EV batteries of the time. Apple reportedly brought expertise in advanced battery packs and heat management, while BYD contributed manufacturing know-how and advancements in LFP cell technology.
The collaboration was part of Apple's since-canceled car project, which the company invested approximately $1 billion per year in over the past decade. Although Apple doesn't own the technology used in BYD's current Blade batteries, the partnership reportedly influenced the development of BYD's battery systems.
The project is said to have been led by Alexander Hitzinger on Apple's side, with a team of about 50 battery engineers overseen by Mujeeb Ijaz. Michael He, vice president of BYD's battery business, led the efforts for the Chinese company.
Despite the years of collaboration, Apple eventually moved away from the partnership and explored systems from other battery makers. Apple ultimately canceled its car project in February 2024 after executives decided it was not a viable project.
While Apple's car ambitions didn't materialize, the battery development work reportedly contributed to other areas of the company's technology portfolio, including the Vision Pro headset and Neural Engine AI processor. Read our Apple Car roundup for more details about the canceled project.
Article Link: Apple Secretly Developed Long-Range EV Battery Tech with China's BYD
Are you surprised, in 2024, that the globe is one integrated economic system?
The problem with bigotry goes beyond the crimes that are perpetrated for its goals. Here we have an example where bigotry is blinding someone to the state of electric vehicles and batteries in the year 2024.
Even Brownlee described the Tesla taxi as a "concept of a plan". Also, that electric mini-van was also dismissed as just yet another one of very many such devices that have been demonstrated by many companies over the past several years.
There's been a steady decline in the company since Steve died. It truly was his company, now it just rides the curtails and pretends it is the same company.
Article was a good read. Will be good to see some new battery tech on Apple products.
"Let's add Elon time"
You're half way there, my friend.
It's factually incorrect that that Elon is late with FSD.
It's that he's promised it "next year" for 10 years now with nothing to show for it.
And this event was hilarious absent of any concrete facts or dates and it's been proven that almost everything Tesla showed was remote controlled by humans.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 10 times...
Oh, so I must’ve dreamed that FSD drove me to work this morning…
Source? I’m not saying this isn’t true, but I’ve never seen a source of this.
A steady decline? I guess consumers ddn’t get the memo...
Overall Apple revenue in 2023 was about 255% higher than in what is 2011.
iPhone revenue in 2023 was about 337% higher than it was in 2011. iPhone sales in 2023 were about 220% higher than they were in 2011. The number of active iPhones in 2023 was about 1,100% higher than it was in 2011.
iPad revenue in 2023 was about 48% higher than it was in 2011. iPad sales in 2023 were about 53% higher than they were in 2011.
Mac revenue in 2023 was about 35% higher than it was in 2011. Mac sales in 2023 were about 34% higher than they were in 2011. Mac (macOS) usage share is more than double what it was in 2011.
my gf says she'll be ready in 5 minutes. 10 minutes later I ask again and she says 5 minutes again. ask a few times more, she'll eventually say she's ready in a couple of minutes. ask a few more times and she'll be finally ready
gf is late, no matter how many times she is wrong.
FSD betas showed off plenty of progress. Drove 400+ miles in one day without a single intervention or hands on wheel minus the part where I need to park/unpark for charging/hotel/house.