Apple seeds 10.5.8 9L14

[visitronix]

Me too. Hopefully improve the X3100 drivers a little,...

Ditto. I hope this corrects the iMovie, iPhoto slideshow, Quicktime encoding artifacts inherent with 2.4 Ghz MacBooks and the X3100 video card. Many of us have been waiting for ALMOST A YEAR for Apple to resolve this issue.

We're getting tired of the Apple engineer's response of "A fix is coming soon."

My fix may be to just make my future purchases PCs instead of lemons, er, Apples.

 

[polaris20]

I didn't see the Java vulnerability in there; are they going to fix that too? That's kind of a problem!

 

[HappyPhil]

Me Too

So, wheres the blurb about them fixing the DVI resolution with 2nd HDTV monitors. It's the biggest issue with OSX 10.5.7 right now. If they don't fix that alotta people are gonna be pissed. 2TB of media I cannot watch properly. O but they fixed ical.......

I have been trying to get this fixed, also. I was beginning to think I was the only one who noticed. I use the DVI-HDMI for presentations and demonstrations, (or, rather, used to use). I have emailed Apple, but no results, yet.

 

[wackymacky]

I didn't see the Java vulnerability in there; are they going to fix that too? That's kind of a problem!

There is also no comment that it's fixed in OS 10.6 which seems like a bigger problem!

 

[rastersize]

Finder's version number has always been 0.0.1 ahead of the OS version number.

Damn
Any idea why?

Good find. BTW the picture behind the windows, is it your desktop? If so can you send me the link? Thanks.

I can't remember where I found it (probably some thread on some forum) but I've uploaded it here: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3697/bluemoon1920x12001.jpg
I've got it in 1280x800 and 1440x900 too if you want/need that.

 

[turkay]

Damn
Any idea why?


I can't remember where I found it (probably some thread on some forum) but I've uploaded it here: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3697/bluemoon1920x12001.jpg
I've got it in 1280x800 and 1440x900 too if you want/need that.

Thanks for the wallpaper, 16/10 is just fine for me.

 

[DELLsFan]

Wow, that sure is a lot of areas fixed! OS X runs quite well for me, so I'm glad to see Apple charging along making it even better!

 

[128KMac]

"Working on it ..."

lets hope fix the random bluetooth errors. Ever since 10.5.7 my bluetooth stop working randomly.. no disconnect messages, just stops working. use the trackpad to disable bluetooth, then the disconnect message in the HUD shows up. Enable bluetooth it we are back to working... argh!

According to AppleCare - they are aware and "working on a fix" - hopefully that is the bluetooth issue that they say is being fixed with 10.5.8

For me - I will lose connectivity sometimes, and sometimes my MacBook won't even recognize that it has bluetooth capability. When that happens (and it is really annoying because I use a remote display, remote Apple keyboard and Mighty Mouse) I have to go back to the laptop, shut it down while holding down the Shift, Control and Option keys, wait five seconds and then restart (instructions from AppleCare).

Pretty humbug ... after working perfectly with 10.5.6 - and no noticable improvements elsewhere with 10.5.7. I shoulda just stayed with 5.6 ..

 

[Stridder44]

I agree, Leopard will be probably be the most supported OS X release. There are still many PPC users, it doesn't make sense to cut them out of the loop.

Yes it does.

PPC was dropped years ago. Apps are bigger, there has to be support for two platforms, etc. They were great chips in their day, and still are, but they're dated now. PPC has Leopard anyway, which will be supported for many years by both developers and Apple. The transition has to start some time.

 

[angemon89]

Is iDisk pretty slow for everyone else? Mine takes a while to load from the finder. Upload times are pretty slow too.

Hopefully Apple can do something about this.

 

[MShock]

All mention of ZFS has been removed from the Snow Leopard Server website, so I'm guessing Apple will continue to bide its time for a filesystem overhaul. Honestly, given how system-critical a filesystem is, I'm glad they're not rushing into things.

I also think they may be waiting for a couple of licensing issues to be resolved with the Oracle buyout of Sun.

Additionally, waiting until some features are developed that ZFS does not have would help the transition from HFS+. For example file encryption is only in the beta stage and disk removal is somewhat difficult in the current implementation (I'd say a pre-alpha at best).

Still, I am extremely disappointed to not see ZFS in 10.6 at all or an update to MacOSForge. At least let developers develop the filesystem while its incubating .

 

[MartiNZ]

Hopefully this fixed the i love lamp widget, it's been busted ever since 10.5.7 came out. ):

Hopefully it fixes the iTunes widget, it's been busted ever since 10.4.0 came out . Oh come on you were all expecting me to post about this again - Apple expects it with every update, they keep leaving it unfixed just to spite me .

 

[Hugh]

easy fix

Is it just me or all of the 10.5.7 updaters get the same crash issue after 2nd sleep with their Mac portables?

There is a fix you can do that will fix that problem. It was posted on Apple Discussions boards. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2005687&tstart=0

I had the same problem too until I saw this fix.

Hugh

 

[theBigD23]

I've been using Macs since 10.5.2 and 10.5.7 has been the worse by far. Lost Time Machine on both computers and had to archive and install my laptop to get networking to work. Was not a good experience. I hope .8 fixes the networking issues that .7 brought. .6 was the best for me by far. I wish I could revert back. The "fixes" have not been worth it for me. After having read the SL comments, I am looking so forward to it.

 

[danny_w]

I've been using Macs since 10.5.2 and 10.5.7 has been the worse by far. Lost Time Machine on both computers and had to archive and install my laptop to get networking to work. Was not a good experience. I hope .8 fixes the networking issues that .7 brought. .6 was the best for me by far. I wish I could revert back. The "fixes" have not been worth it for me. After having read the SL comments, I am looking so forward to it.

Exactly the opposite for me. 10.5.6 was the only one since 10.5.2 that gave me any trouble.

 

[robogobo]

10.4 updates were made after the release of Leopard, and 10.3 after Tiger, so this is nothing new.

 

[katewes]

I'm not upgrading to Snow Leopard until at least September 2010, i.e. one year later after launch. As you can see, it took at least till 10.5.6 for Leopard to get fairly stable. I was one of those suckers who upgraded to Leopard on its launch day (I have the T-Shirt to prove it), and spent the next week in sheer terror trying to resurrent my dead Mac with a decade's worth of photos in limbo. Then the next 9 months waiting for each fix that eventually got Leopard stable. So, thanks, but no thanks. I can resist the TEMPTATION to pay $29 to volunteer to be an Apple beta tester. Seriously, here, for SL, it is a case of you guys simply cannot control yourself. Most of the SL features are just cosmetic. You won't see the under-the-hood improvements. Sure, SL will be much faster, but is that going to change your life dramatically, such that you can risk the bugs. I use my computer for work and business-critical work. I guess you early-SL-adopters don't use your computers for anything that's not life-changingly-critical. Of course, you all will respond by saying that I should make backups, but what if SL's bugs extend to Time Machine's backup software, as it did in 10.5.6 -- for which I had to wait till 10.5.7 for it to be fixed. No, I'm camping at relatively stable (hopefully) 10.5.8 while you guys proceed with "long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror".

 

[robogobo]

Is iDisk pretty slow for everyone else? Mine takes a while to load from the finder. Upload times are pretty slow too.

Hopefully Apple can do something about this.

THAT has been a problem ever since .mac began. maybe the North Carolina server farm will be the fix for the ever slow iDisk.

 

[heisetax]

Updates sometimes breaks things that worked well together before.

So, wheres the blurb about them fixing the DVI resolution with 2nd HDTV monitors. It's the biggest issue with OSX 10.5.7 right now. If they don't fix that alotta people are gonna be pissed. 2TB of media I cannot watch properly. O but they fixed ical.......

I've been running OS 10.5.7 since the day it came out on my Intel Mac Pro 1st Gen with 2 ATI 3870's & 1 Nvidia 7300Gt video cards. The 1st ATI 3870 has an Apple 30" @2560x1600 & a Westinghouse 47" @1920@1080 resolution hooked & running from it. The second ATI 3870 has an Apple 23" @1920x1200 & a ViewSonic 28" @ 1920x1200 resolution hooked & running from it. The Nvidia card has a 15" ViewSonic 15" @ 1024x768 & a ViewSonic 17" @ 1368x768 hooked to it.

So as you can see I have 4 displays running 1920x1080 or greater resolution. I can watch HD movies or other video on any of these screens without any problem. This shows that it is possible to run HD video with OS 10.5.7. So some piece of hardware &/or software in your system may be the blame for your problems. Their combination may not like something in OS 10.5.7. That may be a problem of the OS or the problem of one or more of your pieces.

My 1st gen Intel Mac Pro came with an Ati X1900 video card that worked for about a year. Then it showed some video artifact problems under 10.4. The problems were worse under a trial 10.5 installation. Then when I tried to make a full install the problems started. One thing was that it took severa install attempts before I got one good one. Files opened became Read Only files that could only be saved even with a new name to the start=up partition, not any of the other 6-15+ partitions. Finally after 8 months of requests for help & then complaining to Apple, Apple had a third party repair company exchange out the card. After that time OS 10.5 installs very easilly & has been continually updated thtough the current 10.5.7 that you are having problems with.

In my case the only thing that changed was trying to or running OS 10.5. But as it turns out OS 10.5 was not the problem. It was a bad ATI video card.

Since all software has bugs or problems, even after several changes, yours cold still be a strictly OS problem or may be some combination. I'm hoping as you are that 10.5.8 will help you & others. It ay even help me as well.

 

[heisetax]

Another way

I'm not upgrading to Snow Leopard until at least September 2010, i.e. one year later after launch. As you can see, it took at least till 10.5.6 for Leopard to get fairly stable. I was one of those suckers who upgraded to Leopard on its launch day (I have the T-Shirt to prove it), and spent the next week in sheer terror trying to resurrent my dead Mac with a decade's worth of photos in limbo. Then the next 9 months waiting for each fix that eventually got Leopard stable. So, thanks, but no thanks. I can resist the TEMPTATION to pay $29 to volunteer to be an Apple beta tester. Seriously, here, for SL, it is a case of you guys simply cannot control yourself. Most of the SL features are just cosmetic. You won't see the under-the-hood improvements. Sure, SL will be much faster, but is that going to change your life dramatically, such that you can risk the bugs. I use my computer for work and business-critical work. I guess you early-SL-adopters don't use your computers for anything that's not life-changingly-critical. Of course, you all will respond by saying that I should make backups, but what if SL's bugs extend to Time Machine's backup software, as it did in 10.5.6 -- for which I had to wait till 10.5.7 for it to be fixed. No, I'm camping at relatively stable (hopefully) 10.5.8 while you guys proceed with "long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror".

Like you I make my total living with my Mac. That means several things. The first is to follow the long standing 3 rules of computin, ie. #1-backup, #2-backup & #3 is if you havn't backed up yet, now is the time to backup. These backups must be kept separate from your running system. This can be shown by your comment about TimeMachine.

As well as having multiple backups of my data, I have multiple drives with the system on them. That means that I can easilly run different versions of the Mac OS. In this way I can first use the new OS or OS update to see how it works with my system. Then I can try it with one of my copies of my data. This can easilly be done as data is always stored on a separate drive most of the time now. But always on at least its own partition. This stuff doesn't have to cost as much as in times past as my last 1.5tB drives cost about $100. CDs & DVDs can be purchased in the 5-20 cent range

I have the advantage that I do a majority of my work during the Jan 1 - Spr 15th time frame. Because of this I make no system changes from about Dec until the following May. This is to ensue that I don't have problems like you did. Even with that I had a week where Excel 11 (2004) trashed files & made me live or die by my backup words & actions. So problems can happen even with no OS or software changes. I never did find out what caused the problem as I had no system or software updates during that time.

 

[heisetax]

Windows full time?

No, there is only going to be 1 version. Apple said Tiger users will have to buy the new Mac Box set with Snow Leopard in it (including iLife09 and iWork09) for $90.


[sarcasm]Why is everybody still interested in Snow Leopard anyway? I thought everybody have decided to jump ship to Windows 7 because their graphic cards are not supported in openCL.[/sarcasm]

Does that mean I'd have to run Windows all of the time on my 1st gen Intel Mac Pro? That does make a tough decision. Do I run OS 10.5.x, do I update to OS 10.6.x & not be able to use OpenCL as my ATI 3870s are not on the correct list, do I run BootCamp on my Intel Mac Pro & run only Windows & downgrade from XP to Vista or as you suggest Windows7 & wonder where all the fun I used to have running my computer, or do I purchase one of those ATI 4870 video cards that Apple has, but says does not work in my computer, but others says will work? With that last choice I would be able to OpenCl with 1 video card, but not the other 2. This would make me not feel left out like all PPC Users & more of the Intel Mac Users than had been expected. Hopefully the list of video cards that will run with OpenCL will increase.

This will be known as the killer OS update. Not because it was so good it was worth killing for, but because it killed the updating of so many Macs. But this is what is to be expected from Apple under Steve Jobs.

 

[heisetax]

Sop

I agree, Leopard will be probably be the most supported OS X release. There are still many PPC users, it doesn't make sense to cut them out of the loop.

But this is Apple under Steve Jobs & that is his SOP.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

I think he is talking about the Snow Leopard update, which is a new OS.
kennycheng93, this thread is about an update to Leopard.

The 10.5.8 update is just a "regular" update, like a Service Pack.

My bad, I didn't see the poster said snow leopard... with all the SL talk, I guess I just glazed over it!

 

[MorphingDragon]

If leopard doesn't get above 10.5.11, that means they're nailing bug fixes on the head or they really want to put all their efforts on the iPhone. I hope its the first one.

We already got a sneak-peak of 10.5.8 in 10.5.7 by the way:

I wonder why the Copyright dates on Finder are wrong? Other bits also seem a bit off.

 

[JFreak]

I wonder why the Copyright dates on Finder are wrong? Other bits also seem a bit off.

Because the Leopard Finder was released in public in 2007, that's what's copyrighted. Just the same, Excel 2008 copyrights are for 2007 despite being updated since. Finder is only software, just as iTunes or iPhoto, it's nothing special even though you can browse all kinds of files with it.

Mac OS X version however should reflect current date. As a whole, a new OS version is a new release.