Apple Seeds Build 12D58 of OS X Beta 10.8.3 to Developers

[gkroeger]

I am baffled by the angst over shutdown times. My rMBP and MacPros seem to shutdown just about the same as with earlier versions, but I hardly ever shutdown the rMBP, just close the lid and go... with very little battery consumption when it's closed/sleeping... open it up and I'm up and running in no time. What am I missing? Are all these folks rebooting into BootCamp to play first-person shooter games?

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Agreed, but a a simple and easy to fix bug like this not being fixed for a quarter of a year is starting to produce a painful impression.

Mac sales going down should be a warning - do your homework Apple!

Let me get this... lots of people aren't buying Macs because computers they don't own don't shutdown fast enough?

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

I am baffled by the angst over shutdown times.

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Let me get this... lots of people aren't buying Macs because computers they don't own don't shutdown fast enough?

Correct. ;-)

 

[Macrolido]

I was worried about the slow shutdowns in my Mac until I realized that was a general problem of the OS version.

 

[locoboi187]

I am baffled by the angst over shutdown times. My rMBP and MacPros seem to shutdown just about the same as with earlier versions, but I hardly ever shutdown the rMBP, just close the lid and go... with very little battery consumption when it's closed/sleeping... open it up and I'm up and running in no time. What am I missing? Are all these folks rebooting into BootCamp to play first-person shooter games?

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Let me get this... lots of people aren't buying Macs because computers they don't own don't shutdown fast enough?

This is what you're missing: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4166168?start=0&tstart=0

 

[SeattleMoose]

Long time coming means:

Best Scenario: very few new features but lots of "under the hood efficiency improvements" and bug fixes

Worst Scenario: new "social media features" and minimal efficiency/bug fixes

 

[The Bulge]

The slow shutdown is not really a "bug". It's an inconvenience for some people who have it. Apple has a lot more serious issues to fix during these beta tests. Something like a slow shutdown would be on the bottom of their list.

It must be fixed and as a user i don't really care how or do you want the next generation Macs with OS X to shut down in 30 seconds out of the box because it's low priority?

 

[FrancoisC]

I got an honest question...

Why does it matter if the machine is a little slow to shut down? I don't shut mine off very often, I let it go to sleep, but when I do shut it down, I click on it and leave, I don't wait for it to be off, no need.

I don't want to sound "trollish", I'm just wondering why it matter?

 

[Yamcha]

This probably IS going to be the public release.

The installer includes a feature list:

The 10.8.3 update is recommended for all OS X Mountain Lion users and includes features and fixes that improve the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac, including the following:
• The ability to redeem iTunes gift cards in the Mac App Store using your Mac's built-in camera
• Boot Camp support for installing Windows 8
• Boot Camp support for Macs with a 3TB hard drive
• A fix for an issue that may cause Logic Pro to become unresponsive when using certain plug-ins
• A fix for an issue that may cause audio to stutter on 2011 iMacs
• Includes Safari 6.0.3

Great to see Windows 8 support and updated Safari. On my Mac, the native application that crashes the most is Safari.. Hopefully it fixes that along with a speed bump.

 

[cosmos]

Anybody knows whether Apple felt like addressing the rMBP lag-issue this time?!

Don't forget: In soviet Russia lag fixes you!

For those younger readers outside of Russia maybe you should have changed it to read gulag fixes you?

 

[Yamcha]

Both shut down & boot times in my opinion are important. It's the little things like this that have an impact on users. This is kind of one of the reasons I prefer Mac OSX and Macs in general.

Just as an example I love the fact that you can view most popular files natively, without having to actually open an application to view it on OSX, now I could just as easily have waited 5-10 seconds to view that very same file, but it's things like this that add up and give users better overall experience.

 

[gkroeger]

This is what you're missing: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4166168?start=0&tstart=0

OK, that isn't a shutdown issue, it's a wake-from-sleep issue. Sure, sometimes it takes a few seconds for my rMBP to wake from sleep... so what? I guess since I can remember waiting much longer than that for a command prompt on a PDP-11, I just can't get worked up about it.

 

[cosmos]

OK, that isn't a shutdown issue, it's a wake-from-sleep issue. Sure, sometimes it takes a few seconds for my rMBP to wake from sleep... so what? I guess since I can remember waiting much longer than that for a command prompt on a PDP-11, I just can't get worked up about it.

Yes, things have certainly changed over the years. I too remember waiting a very long time for everything on computer of days long past. Can you imagine waiting three to four minutes to boot today? That was routine back in the day.

I cannot remember the model, but DEC VAX used to have printer terminals that communicated around 150 baud rate IIRC. Now that is S L O O O O O O W.

In comparison, slow shutdowns are very low on my list of must haves. I would rather they focus on patching video drivers and Wi-Fi among others first.

 

[81Steven]

anyone got a try of bootcamp on a 3tb fusion imac 2012 and windows 8?

any confirm?

 

[iBug2]

The slow shudown/reboot thing is only painfully noticeable on SSD and Retina machines, as well as (I'd imagine) the Air.

I have a retina which shuts down in 3-15 seconds. So it certainly does not effect all retina machines.

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It must be fixed and as a user i don't really care how or do you want the next generation Macs with OS X to shut down in 30 seconds out of the box because it's low priority?

I couldn't care less. Like I said, there are a lot more important issues than a slow shutdown. I shutdown my mac once a month probably.

 

[The Bulge]

I couldn't care less. Like I said, there are a lot more important issues than a slow shutdown. I shutdown my mac once a month probably.

I couldn't care less too. I didn't buy Mac do have a mediocre experience, i didn't upgrade to Mountain Lion to have mediocre experience. There was more then enough time to fix this.

 

[Mike MA]

Let me get this... lots of people aren't buying Macs because computers they don't own don't shutdown fast enough?

I was exaggerating - if you read the many related threads you just get the feeling that people are getting annoyed by the number of bugs - and some bugs are blemish and though avoidable.

Mac sales going down is due to a general decline in PC sales. Thanks to the post-PC era. Not because of some random, minor, bug in an OS.

I was referencing the Back to the Mac campaign - ML is a innovative but buggy operating system (graphics, airplay, WI-FI issues, ....). Apple clearly is aware of the declining market - but the quality of their latest software products don't meet their own requirements.

 

[Nightkrawler]

Macbook Pro 2011 (MacBookPro8,3) here
Bootcamp + 12D58 Trying to download Bootcamp drivers:

This Mac only supports Windows 7.
I REALLY hope they aren't serious but if yes it's typical Apple as windows 8 runs good after little tweaking.

In the info.plist of bootcamp:

<key>Win7OnlyModels</key>
	<array>
		<string>MacBook7,1</string>
		<string>MacBookAir3,2</string>
		<string>MacBookPro5,5</string>
		<string>MacPro2,1</string>
		<string>Macmini4,1</string>
		<string>iMac10,1</string>
	</array>

Odd as my mac isn't in the incompatible list. My hope is that the download of the drivers just isn't available yet on apples servers and it resorts to the error above.

 

[ItWasNotMe]

I got an honest question...

Why does it matter if the machine is a little slow to shut down? I don't shut mine off very often, I let it go to sleep, but when I do shut it down, I click on it and leave, I don't wait for it to be off, no need.

I don't want to sound "trollish", I'm just wondering why it matter?

Because for those that do want to shutdown, sometimes it just doesn't ... ever ... (well if 10 hours later counts as ever)... so you have to watch it.

Time Machine worst culprit in my mind for slowing/halting shut down. For example, if you manually stop Time Machine backup when preferences is still showing barbers pole but legend reads backing up n of n where the two numbers are the same then something won't let go of the Time Machine drive. Finder can't dismount it and shut down won't complete without pulling power plug out.

 

[Schranke]

sometimes i have a shutdown on 20-30 sec on my rMBP that combined with the EFI bug an you have yourself a nasty little thing going.
I do enjoy gaming once in a while, but when you know that resetting SMC can give you 15+ more fps, you will have to shutdown.
If they fixed EFI i would not care about shutdown speed. if they fixed shutdown speed, SMC resets would be more tolerable.

So in all there is lot of things i there could be fixed. and i really hope they will not be doing anymore social network things before we have a better system without bugs there effects performance and other stuff.

I do not use twitter and facebook notifications on my mac. since i get them on my phone and it is always with me. i know when to check my fb on safari...

So less social bulls**t and a better system performances, PLZ?

 

[fhall1]

Agreed, but a a simple and easy to fix bug like this not being fixed for a quarter of a year is starting to produce a painful impression.

Mac sales going down should be a warning - do your homework Apple!

Mac sales are down because this year's quarter was one week shorter than last year's and Apple was highly constrained on new iMac supply.

 

[adnbek]

Are these fixed?

-Slow shutdown

-Time machine backups always huge in size no matter how recent your last backup was

-Notes deselecting itself in iCloud preferences

These are my biggest annoyances with ML so far.

 

[bomaya]

If this version of OSX enables Bootcamp to work with the 3Tb drives then I'd love to know as it would change my mind of which iMac to buy.

 

[chrfr]

Are these fixed?

-Slow shutdown

-Time machine backups always huge in size no matter how recent your last backup was

-Notes deselecting itself in iCloud preferences

These are my biggest annoyances with ML so far.

Of these, only the slow shutdown is universal. Unless you've reported these issues, don't expect to see them fixed.

 

[zeeklancer]

Wake from sleep problem is easy to fix.

sudo pmset -a standbydelay 43200

Double that number of you often leave your computer sleep longer than 12 hours.

4200 is the default if I remember correctly.

All this does is delay the sleep image from being written to the disk. Eg, it prevents the laptop from going in to super low power saving mode. With the 12 hour number you can expect to loose less than to around 1% battery, although I have never really seen that.

After 12 hours of sleep your computer does what it normally would do.

 

[iBug2]

Of these, only the slow shutdown is universal. Unless you've reported these issues, don't expect to see them fixed.

Slow Shutdown is not universal. I don't have it on my rMBP. Either that or people's definition of slow isn't the same as mine. It takes at most 15 sec for mine to shut down and mostly it's around 5 seconds. That's not slow at all for me.