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Apple Seeds Eleventh Beta of macOS 13 Ventura to Developers [Update: Public Beta Available]

horen said:
Normally Beta is feature complete free of known bugs. Alpha may have bugs on any feature.
Beta collects customer feedback not about bugs but about the behavior of features to adjust before the final release.
Continuity camera is a major feature of Ventura, if this is not caught by QA, how many other issues are in the release that are not obvious.

I switched back to beta 8 which is working with the features I observe.
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I don't know where you got that idea, but that is completely wrong. If you look at the release notes for any beta you will see a section called "Known Issues". These are bugs that Apple has acknowledged exist but are not fixed in the beta.
 
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horen said:
Normally Beta is feature complete free of known bugs. Alpha may have bugs on any feature.
Beta collects customer feedback not about bugs but about the behavior of features to adjust before the final release.
Continuity camera is a major feature of Ventura, if this is not caught by QA, how many other issues are in the release that are not obvious.

I switched back to beta 8 which is working with the features I observe.
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Thats not true for MacOS, iOS, Android, or Windows betas. Ever. So I have 0 idea where you got that impression from or why you think that. If anything Beta just means the API's are ready to go.
 
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Are people still seeing lagging frame rates in Stage Manager on an M1-M2? I’m really seeing it on an external monitor (on a 2018 MBP).
 
Realityck said:
So far beta 11's safari has been better behaved. Also the PB is available.
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Sadly for me, Safari is still as broken as before. But at least my Technology Preview install works well. As I said before, I'll see if it's still broken when Ventura goes golden master and will then re-install the OS if it isn't fixed.

The interesting thing I find about running Safari and its Technology Preview is that other machines see two sets of iCloud tabs labeled [machine name](1) and [machine name](2).
 
AltecX said:
Thats not true for MacOS, iOS, Android, or Windows betas. Ever. So I have 0 idea where you got that impression from or why you think that. If anything Beta just means the API's are ready to go.
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Every company has a different definition of beta, but in the classic definition, alpha and beta indicate audience scope. Alphas are releases internally or to select partners. Betas are releases to outside testers. They don't really indicate anything about whether features are complete or are buggy.

It's not a hard and fast definition, though, and is pretty flexible. Some companies are so loose with the definition that alphas and betas may have the same audience and merely indicates a degree of confidence in the quality of the software.

I don't know Apple's definition for sure because I don't know if they even have alpha releases. Betas seem to be releases outside of Apple, itself, to developers and the general public and seem to have no indication at all about the confidence in quality. Apple does seem to use letters at the end of their build numbers to give a rough approximation of how close they are to the end of betas. With a 'b' at the end of the build numbers for Ventura, iOS, and iPadOS, I expect all of them will have an 'a' release next week (Oct 18) with golden master released the following week (Oct 25). The official public release would be a few days after the golden master. If I were to guess, official releases will be on Monday, Oct. 31. Spooky! ;)

Apple also seems to alternate between calling final betas "Release Candidate" (plus number starting with 1) and "Golden Master". Generally, Golden Master is officially the final release that goes to production while Release Candidate shows a slight lack of confidence and that more bug fixes may go into a subsequent Release Candidate, but Apple isn't terribly consistent since we've seen multiple Golden Masters before.
 
Realityck said:

General​

Known Issues​

Important

Update to macOS 13 Ventura beta 6 or later before installing firmware updates for Apple Studio Display. (97624990)

AppKit​

CoreGraphics​

Deprecations​

  • To improve security, CGImageCreate enforces parameter correctness on macOS 13 Ventura, iOS 16, iPadOS 16, watchOS 9, and tvOS 16. Passing an incorrect CGImageByteOrderInfo is no longer supported, and will result in images failing to load. (94855401)

DeviceDiscoveryUI​

Known Issues​

  • Devices running beta 4 or later aren’t backwards compatible with devices running earlier beta versions. (95233878)

Mail​

Known Issues​

  • Moving a Remind Me message to another mailbox doesn’t remove the Remind Me banner. (93685824)

Memory Allocation​

Known Issues​

  • In apps built with the macOS 13 SDK or later, the system memory allocator freeoperation zeroes out most deallocated blocks in macOS 13 beta or later. Invalid accesses to free memory might result in new crashes or corruption, including:
    • Read-after-free bugs that previously observed the old contents of a block may now observe zeroes instead
    • Write-after-free bugs may now cause subsequent calls to calloc to return non-zero memory
      To debug these issues, use Address Sanitizer and Guard Malloc (see libgmalloc(3)). (97449075)

Metal​

Known Issues​

  • The MTLResource.gpuHandle is deprecated. (92862429)
    Workaround: Use gpuResourceID instead, which functions as a replacement.

Metal Offline Compiler​

Known Issues​

  • MetalFX effect outputs aren’t designed to be consumed by the CPU. Outputting to a texture that is read only by the CPU might result in synchronization issues. (91515075)
    Workaround: If a CPU reading of the MetalFX output is desired, instead of encoding the MetalFX effect as the last item in a command buffer, encode a dummy blit that consumes the MetalFX output texture (a 1-pixel region blit is fine) in the command buffer. After the command buffer with the dummy blit is finished, reading of the MetalFX effect output texture with CPU synchronizes correctly.

Networking​

Deprecations​

  • FTP is deprecated for URLSession and related APIs. Please adopt modern secure networking protocols such as HTTPS. (92623659)

StoreKit​

Deprecations​

  • Deprecated the SKDownload API and removed the option to upload nonconsumable in-app purchase assets for Apple to host. In addition, support for managing these assets in App Store Connect is no longer available as of April 2022. (89764253)

Swift​

Known Issues​

  • Network.framework resolved an issue that could cause NWBrowser, NWConnection, NWConnectionGroup, NWEthernetChannel, NWListener, and NWPathMonitor to trigger a retain cycle when various Handler blocks are set. Starting with macOS 13, iOS 16, watchOS 9, and tvOS 16, if software using Network.framework targets these releases as the minimum OS, the object releases any blocks they captured once cancelled, breaking the retain cycle. (89677097)
    Workaround: For software targeting older versions, the retain cycle can be broken by setting the handler blocks to nil after canceling the object.

SwiftUI​

Known Issues​

  • Providing actions to a navigationTitle modifier has been deprecated. Use the toolbarTitleActions() modifier or ToolbarTitleActions type in a toolbar modifier instead. (93658035)

Texts and Fonts​

Deprecations​

  • ATS and ATSUI APIs are fully deprecated. Code using these APIs will fail to compile and link when the deployment target is set to 13. Code targeting earlier versions of macOS will continue to compile, link, and run. macOS 13 is the last release where code depending on ATS or ATSUI will run. All runtime functionality will be removed in next major release of macOS. (83581159)

Wallet​

Known Issues​

  • American Express cards might need to be removed and re-added to Wallet after updating to macOS 13 beta 6 or later. (97990752)
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Wait... what are they doing to FTP?
 
Aston441 said:
Wait... what are they doing to FTP?
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It use to be:
The URLSession class natively supports the data, file, ftp, http, and https URL schemes, with transparent support for proxy servers and SOCKS gateways, as configured in the user’s system preferences.
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Its been depreciated
FTP is deprecated for URLSession and related APIs. Please adopt modern secure networking protocols such as HTTPS. (92623659)
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Anybody remember that classic Simpsons episode where Moe's bar becomes a fashionable venue?

Moe is chatting up some Russian supermodels, when Homer comes over and calls him a phony:

MOE: Hey! Nobody calls Moe St. Cool a phony!
RUSSIAN MODEL All this yelling is taking away my horny.
MOE Is it? Oh, that's it.

I've got to say, all these delays to Ventura, and the discussion about what a disaster Stage Manager and the new System tool is, are taking away my horny for the new OS. It sounds like a lemon – a resounding and hollow tock to the usual tick.
 
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woolypants said:
Anybody remember that classic Simpsons episode where Moe's bar becomes a fashionable venue?

Moe is chatting up some Russian supermodels, when Homer comes over and calls him a phony:

MOE: Hey! Nobody calls Moe St. Cool a phony!
RUSSIAN MODEL All this yelling is taking away my horny.
MOE Is it? Oh, that's it.

I've got to say, all these delays to Ventura, and the discussion about what a disaster Stage Manager and the new System tool is, are taking away my horny for the new OS. It sounds like a lemon – a resounding and hollow tock to the usual tick.
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Yeah… there’s not much there that I’m still excited about.
I was super curious about Stage Manager but (to me) it feels pretty useless on a Mac.
The new System Settings was intriguing at first but it seems too Windows-y and clunky in some ways. Maybe I’ve gotten too used to the old Preferences?

The subject detection in photos is amazing, though. Not something that’s going to be super useful for a lot of people very often, and maybe not a “must update for this feature” but amazing nevertheless.
 
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BanjoDudeAhoy said:
Yeah… there’s not much there that I’m still excited about.
I was super curious about Stage Manager but (to me) it feels pretty useless on a Mac.
The new System Settings was intriguing at first but it seems too Windows-y and clunky in some ways. Maybe I’ve gotten too used to the old Preferences?

The subject detection in photos is amazing, though. Not something that’s going to be super useful for a lot of people very often, and maybe not a “must update for this feature” but amazing nevertheless.
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I agree.

The most exiting thing for me will be Metal 3 I think. Then again we will still need software that uses it ;)
 
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fenderbass146 said:
Those were better days when they released software when it was ready instead of on a yearly deadline...
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Well, they released it on a 2-year deadline. But don't forget that Snow Leopard had two point updates withdrawn and re-released because of show-stopping errors, and another update which broke OpenType font rendering, and needed a patch to fix.
 
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Probably the most exciting thing about Ventura is Metal 3 and that doesn't get a mention? Poor old major Metal update taking second place to more novelty features like Stage Manager when Spaces kicks its ass and it's probably only there for feature parity with iPadOS. 😥😜
 
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Not sure if this is related to the update or not, but started yesterday at about the same time as I installed.

Suddenly on my MacBook Air, I can’t upload or download changes to OneDrive docs in Word app. It says "Upload Blocked" in the title bar. And below the toolbar: "Sign in Required. We can't upload or download your changes because your cached credentials have expired."

I’ve signed in multiple times, but this message recurs. I can edit fine via my browser. But my OneDrive files do not show recent changes or allow new ones. I’ve tried signing out, deleting ALL my Microsoft apps and reinstalling.

Update: Just a Microsoft glitch. Our IT guy had me start Outlook first which aligned everything credentials-wise. As you were.
 
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Piplodocus said:
Probably the most exciting thing about Ventura is Metal 3 and that doesn't get a mention? Poor old major Metal update taking second place to more novelty features like Stage Manager when Spaces kicks its ass and it's probably only there for feature parity with iPadOS. 😥😜
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This YouTube video shows whats new with Metal 3 rather well using WWDC 2022 snippets of what was announced


Should also examine the less discussed Metal 3 Performance HUD in macOS Ventura that a developer can review/optimize a games performance.

 
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