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Apple Seeds Fifth macOS High Sierra 10.13.1 Beta to Developers [Update: Public Beta Available]

LeoNatan said:
https://twitter.com/LeoNatan/status/922820126105395200
https://twitter.com/LeoNatan/status/923247707829035010
https://twitter.com/LeoNatan/status/922732554742108160

It’s a complete joke of a release. Such lack of polish, even in the smallest of details.
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Hahahaha, I found a few as well.. Sadly did not take screen grabs or vids, but I did raise a few bug reports. Energy Saver preferences was a problem, and a lot of flickering UI when going through the System Prefs app. Apple closed the reports claiming Dupes... Hoping they will be fixed in 10.13.1. Keeping an eye on here to see how it goes...
 
LeoNatan said:
https://twitter.com/LeoNatan/status/922820126105395200
https://twitter.com/LeoNatan/status/923247707829035010
https://twitter.com/LeoNatan/status/922732554742108160

It’s a complete joke of a release. Such lack of polish, even in the smallest of details.
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Sorry Leo but but it seems you are taking your observations a bit far. It is not even clear which version you are talking about. General release or Beta? Your logic also seems backward. When I take into account "even the smallest details" that means I am working on perfecting a given project. macOS is not a joke of a release by a long shot. I have had excellent results in all the areas I care about. In fact at this stage of development it is far more stable than Sierra was at the same point.
 
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I'm not sure if this is a High Sierra bug or not. But, on my mid-2010 15" MBP (GT330m dGPU model)... the volume icon that shows volume notches on the screen is no longer there when the screen is on the login screen. Raising or lowering volume still works. But, without the aid of that visual volume notch icon when the screen is on the login screen, if that makes sense.

Another bug is disabling IR remote doesn't work. I have to put tape in front of the IR receiver to disable it.
 
skillwill said:
Why do people think it’s an either/or situation?
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We don't think that at all. What we object to is Apples focus on the trivial ignoring much of Mac OS and the real improvements being seen there release to release.
That because an update contains emojis nothing else will get fixed?
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It wouldn't hurt Apple to show a little pride in what their Mac OS developers have accomplished.
In fact as far as I’m aware Apple doesn’t even create the emoji, they just licence it and use it in their software, not as if it’s going to be using so many resources they can’t create a stable product AND have it contain emojis they don’t even create
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I'm not sure if tat is the exact case but it doesn't matter. What matters is the focus on the emoji and the total lack of focus on what is improved in Mac OS. Take the matter a step further and realize that Numbers, Pages and so forth haven't had real updates in years. In Numbers simple compatibility functionality isn't even there. It wouldn't hurt Apple one bit to focus a bit on the apps it offers up, yet al we hear about is emojis.

I realize that Apple isn't perfect and frankly is suffering from a lack of leadership in their software divisions, but lets face it the excessive focus on emojis is there ot take focus off the rest of the offering.
 
I've been having horrible problems with High Sierra. In 10.13.0, performance was all right, but I was getting hard-locks at least once a day at work. I was desperate for a fix, so I decided to give the 10.13.1 beta a whirl. It's been a nightmare. Graphical performance took a HUGE dive for me. I wasn't experiencing hard-locks anymore, but the performance got so bad that it was affecting my productivity extremely negatively. If I even _thought_ about running anything Chromium-based, it chugged hard.

I ended up rolling a clean install of 10.12.6 on a separate partition and everything is fine. Installed beta 5 on my High Sierra partition today and nothing's changed. Truly hope this gets ironed out before a final release.

edit: Late 2013 rMBP w/16GB of RAM
 
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I wonder if I’ll get a reply
 
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Still waiting for an update that will pick up with the last Public Beta before the GM because I couldn’t implement the Fusion Drive related restore instructions.
 
For those asking if you should update to High Sierra, I would have to say no. I've been in the developer program for a long time and have kept my machines up too date since 2008 when I go back on the Mac Platform. So far the stable and betas have been bit of a disappointment. I get glitches where the cursor gets lost and have had the machine power down several times when it should have been in sleep mode.

While maybe not show stoppers for many, I believe most users would want to avoid such nonsense. I can't speak to the latest beta as I just installed it. Hopefully it is improved.
 
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justinhill said:
I've been having horrible problems with High Sierra. In 10.13.0, performance was all right, but I was getting hard-locks at least once a day at work. I was desperate for a fix, so I decided to give the 10.13.1 beta a whirl. It's been a nightmare. Graphical performance took a HUGE dive for me. I wasn't experiencing hard-locks anymore, but the performance got so bad that it was affecting my productivity extremely negatively. If I even _thought_ about running anything Chromium-based, it chugged hard.

I ended up rolling a clean install of 10.12.6 on a separate partition and everything is fine. Installed beta 5 on my High Sierra partition today and nothing's changed. Truly hope this gets ironed out before a final release.

edit: Late 2013 rMBP w/16GB of RAM
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Your challenges remind me of the tremendous hassles I had when I attempted to install the first beta of macOS 10.13 High Sierra this past summer on my 2011 MacBook Pro 17". Sometimes I could get it installed but with awful stability and performance. The strange part was that 10.12.6 (I think it was 6 at the time) Sierra was fine. Long story short was that the battery in the 2011 MacBook was failing. For some reason High Sierra was much more sensitive to the failing battery than was Sierra. I replaced the battery (with an excellent replacement battery from iFixit) and lo and behold the install of High Sierra was flawless. Ever since I have had great results with macOS 10.13 with the exception of wake from sleep issues that were finally resolved with the GM release of 10.13. So you might want to test your battery!
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wizard said:
For those asking if you should update to High Sierra, I would have to say no. I've been in the developer program for a long time and have kept my machines up too date since 2008 when I go back on the Mac Platform. So far the stable and betas have been bit of a disappointment. I get glitches where the cursor gets lost and have had the machine power down several times when it should have been in sleep mode.

While maybe not show stoppers for many, I believe most users would want to avoid such nonsense. I can't speak to the latest beta as I just installed it. Hopefully it is improved.
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Sorry wizard but I have to disagree. Beyond the weird issue I had installing macOS 10.13 beta in the first place this summer (see reply above) I have had excellent results with 10.13 on a 2011 MacBook Pro 17" (SSD) and on a 2017 MacBook 15" with both now running 10.13.1 Beta 5. Very stable and fast performance with excellent battery life. Besides it looks like current security fixes are being built to current beta releases. That is of huge importance to me.
 
Ever since I bought my Mac (which originally came preinstalled with Yosemite), I have religiously and confidently upgraded to newer releases - El Capitan and Sierra, but this is one I think I will skip. My Mac does all I need otherwise. Its just that I know security updates are tied to these newer releases. My strategy was just let Sierra remain forever on mine and jump to a new release maybe in the next couple years on a new Mac. I don't want to break any of my apps have to deal with troubleshooting.
 
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Diving Capers said:
View attachment 727594 I wonder if I’ll get a reply
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This is is the only answer we're going to get.

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Its just that I know security updates are tied to these newer releases. My strategy was just let Sierra remain forever on mine and jump to a new release maybe in the next couple years on a new Mac. I don't want to break any of my apps have to deal with troubleshooting.
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Apple releases security updates for the past two versions (so, through El Cap now.) But if you want to upgrade without worrying, just have a good backup, preferably a clone. That way if you run into compatibility issues you can easily revert.
 
justinhill said:
I've been having horrible problems with High Sierra. In 10.13.0, performance was all right, but I was getting hard-locks at least once a day at work. I was desperate for a fix, so I decided to give the 10.13.1 beta a whirl. It's been a nightmare. Graphical performance took a HUGE dive for me. I wasn't experiencing hard-locks anymore, but the performance got so bad that it was affecting my productivity extremely negatively. If I even _thought_ about running anything Chromium-based, it chugged hard.

I ended up rolling a clean install of 10.12.6 on a separate partition and everything is fine. Installed beta 5 on my High Sierra partition today and nothing's changed. Truly hope this gets ironed out before a final release.

edit: Late 2013 rMBP w/16GB of RAM
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I'm having the exact same problem. Seems like it happens to many of those on dual monitor setup. I have two 4K monitors with mid-2014 rMBP and experience random freezes almost everyday.

There are lots of people complaining similar issues on Apple's own forum and Apple seems to acknowledge this issue:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/32406699#message32406699
 
Swift said:
I'll be happy when my fusion drive can run apfs.
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True, many Fusion Mac users would be too. But Apple already said that it's forthcoming…. they're already working on it. Why pester them and rush them on the project? You realize that if Apple rushes pushing this out, it could only result in catastrophic glitches and bricked hard drives?
 
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wizard said:
We don't think that at all. What we object to is Apples focus on the trivial ignoring much of Mac OS and the real improvements being seen there release to release.

It wouldn't hurt Apple to show a little pride in what their Mac OS developers have accomplished.


I'm not sure if tat is the exact case but it doesn't matter. What matters is the focus on the emoji and the total lack of focus on what is improved in Mac OS. Take the matter a step further and realize that Numbers, Pages and so forth haven't had real updates in years. In Numbers simple compatibility functionality isn't even there. It wouldn't hurt Apple one bit to focus a bit on the apps it offers up, yet al we hear about is emojis.

I realize that Apple isn't perfect and frankly is suffering from a lack of leadership in their software divisions, but lets face it the excessive focus on emojis is there ot take focus off the rest of the offering.
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But it’s just a marketing thing - they use Emojis to help market the product. Don’t be fooled, it’s a numbers game, they’ll have info that shows they’ll catch more people’s eyes with emoji than the introduction of APFS and HEVC. I can guarantee away from their marketing department the focus is overwhelmingly on building the OS and not on Emoji.
 
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This one took a LOOOOONG time to install. Almost 15 minutes of black screen.
 
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