IMO the only thing going for High Sierra is Vega graphics support and that's still not perfect. I won't use APFS until they make it compatible with Boot Camp.
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Don't think APFS for spinning hard drives will ever work as well as HFS+ already does.
Or maybe they'll re-engineer it somehow, to become "APFS+".
For cross-platform macOS & Windows compatibility, I'd suggest using "exFAT", at least for external USB drives.
ExFAT can handle large file sizes that are too big for FAT32. It also has native read and write compatibility with both macOS and Windows 10. However, I'm not aware of any ability to boot from an exFAT formatted drive, whether it's an internal SATA drive or an external USB drive.
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10.6 did NOT have the classic environment. 10.6 had Rosetta for running PowerPC Mac OS X applications. The classic environment was used to run Mac OS 9 applications, and was dropped in 10.5.
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APFS does indeed work better, even on spinning rust. It's designed better in a number of ways. Despite it being optimized for SSDs, hard drives will do just fine with it. It's definitely better than running HFS+, which has a number of weaknesses and risks.
I'm sure there are a number of us who have been holding off on installing 10.13 with a plan to do a clean install over Xmas with a .2 or .3 release.
Is the consensus that it's a pretty solid release at this point with small non-critical issue, or are there still major issues that need addressing?
Is the consensus that it's a pretty solid release at this point with small non-critical issue, or are there still major issues that need addressing?
Whatever, 14 versions inthe last 16 years is average 1,1 year cycles and it still updates only not a totally new OS every year like that moron said
You in a hurry to part with 5+ grand....?
Still 'working' on the better half here, lolNah. Classic was discontinued starting with 10.5; 10.4.11 was the last version of Mac OS X to carry the Classic environment.
me a moron, really, man you have to learn some respect I guess you never been punched in the mouth, if you read and you understand it was never a yearly "anually" update the whole time that's why you came with the conclusion, 14 versions in 16 years, read dude, from 2011 upward then apple started releasing the os in yearly basics, it doesn't necessary means 365 days, sometimes they might release the new OS a week or 2 earlier or be late a week or two, I don't want to get personal and I'm trying very hard to control myself I don't want my account getting banned because of you, let me give an advice be careful what you say and who you say it to, you want to take it like a joke fine, just make sure we never meet because if you disrespect me don't think that I'm just going to stay there and I'm not going to do anything about it
let's just forget the whole thing and hit the reset button
Mac OS Lion released date = July 20, 2011
Mac OS Mountain Lion released date = July 25, 2012
Mac OS Mavericks released date = October 22, 2013
Mac OS Yosemite released date = October 16, 2014
Mac OS El Capitan released date = September 30, 2015
Mac OS Sierra released date = September 20, 2016
Mac OS High Sierra released date = September 25, 2017
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How did you find that URL? Or did you just make it up?
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My general observation, and my own experiences is that the even-numbered releases has been better than the odd-numbered versions. Let me start with what I had upon personal experience:
- 10.5: Slow, buggy, a lot of new code, glitchy overall
- 10.6: Stable, smooth, refined
- 10.7: Sluggish, clumsy, felt bogged down
- 10.8: Refined from 10.7, rock solid overall
- 10.9: AWFUL. One of the worst releases, IMHO. Very, very buggy. Remember the continually spinning beach ball on 10.9.0 and 10.9.1? Time Machine had a boatload of issues. Alot of issues were left unfixed through 10.9.5
- 10.10: New look and feel, but worked very stable and smooth for me
- 10.11: Not bad, probably the best odd-numbered release... felt minor to me, too
- 10.12: Rock solid, smooth overall
- 10.13: WORST. RELEASE. EVER. 10.13 is so buggy and clumsy, seriously... we all know of the security issues, but performance is overall not too smooth.
I noticed that applications like my WhatsApp Wrapper take control of the media keys as well when playing a notification sound and audio messages. Super annoying!
Why do you think so? I've had HS installed just for a few hours, had to revert back to El Capital because it rendered my rMBP useless.
On my machine, it runs WAY better than 10.13. I didn't try Sierra yet on my machine because I still get security updates and the features that were introduced last year did not convinced me to upgrade.
I'm curious what went wrong on your machine.
I, too, have an rMBP (late 2013, 16 GB, no dGPU). There are certainly glitches, such as the system being slow during logging in. I've also recently had a kernel panic / some sort of unexpected shutdown (couldn't find a panic.log). But mostly, I can't say it's appreciably better or worse than 10.10 through 10.12.
What in particular were you running into?
Because it's an emulator by a third-party. The first-party, supported Classic environment went away with 10.5.
Humm...OS X 10.9 Mavericks seemed ok. Why would you think it was one of the worst releases?
Nevermind. That was a good fake out.
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It just felt erratic and sloppy, especially at x.0. A lot of odd issues here and there. Finder didn't work properly, spinning beach balls, Time Machine's UI didn't work correctly, Migration Assistant often crashed.
Before you could say it was my configuration, I did a fresh install and had those issues. I remember quite a lot of people also having various issues with 10.9 throughout 10.9.5.
The main issues were random log-outs while doing simple stuff like clicking on the battery/wifi/audio output icons from the menu bar, Safari was unable to load anything besides my search engine homepage and fans running at full speed all the time. A less important (but equally aggravating glitch) was the window management process being very slow and laggy. I didn't had the time to wait for future fixes/updates and bug discovery because I needed to get my work done and reverted after approximately 12 hours from the update.
Those issues were first encountered immediately after updating and also when Spotlight had finished indexing my SSD. None of them existed beforehand, and none appeared since reverting back to El Capitan.
I have the same machine as you, late 2013 rMBP.
That's probably never going to happen, considering Fusion Drives are not fully solid state. APFS is only meant for full solid state volumes/drives, and as such it won't perform well on hybrid drives or regular HDDs, meaning it probably won't exist for Fusion Drives.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/25/apfs-fusion-drive-high-sierra-update/
It'll happen, was originally meant to ship in 10.13.0, and did exist in the 10.13 betas, but was pulled last-minute.