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I never claimed to be... If they had that much work left to do (which clearly they did), they shouldn't have announced it for iOS 11. Simple as that. If you don't in any way find that ridiculous.. ha, then you need to get your lips off Apple's cheeks.

yes it is late but if you hear Marco Arment (i.e., Overcast, ATP) technical explanation (went over my head, unfortunately) this is a major redesign with lots of possible points of failures that need to ship as perfect as possible
 
Which is precisely why they've since announce that the feature is delayed.
A situation like this shouldn't happen at all. The feature being delayed a few .x updates... sure. A whole iOS cycle??! Thats an incredible oversight and IMO very unprofessional. If they had any doubt that this feature would not be ready for iOS 11, they shouldn't have announced it.
 
Looking at the release notes, nothing. All fixes.
And that’s fine.....since there’s a hell of a lot of fixing that needs to be done. But I’m sure it’ll bring it’s host of new bugs. Seems like every couple weeks there’s some obnoxious bug that comes out that needs an emergency patch.
 
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So I’m having problem with photo stream in beta 3 and 4 my photo don’t sync trow my iPad and iPhone someone have the same problem ?
 
yes it is late but if you hear Marco Arment (i.e., Overcast, ATP) technical explanation (went over my head, unfortunately) this is a major redesign with lots of possible points of failures that need to ship as perfect as possible

None of that presumably unforeseen. They must've made a fairly major miscalculation on how far along the feature was quality-wise.
 
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Easy. Sending audio over WiFi to separate speakers is not as easy as it sounds. You need to make sure that both (if you have a stereo pair) get their audio at exactly the same time. Even the slightest delay in unacceptable.

Note that by delay I’m not talking about large obvious delays like the sound not syncing up with a movie where their lips are moving and their voice is completely out of whack. I’m talking about tiny millisecond delays. Our ears localize sound based on the volume and phase (time delay) that sound reaches our ears. If the signal is out of phase slightly (because of a slight time delay) it can have a significant affect on the sound.

I’m really very curious how Apple is going to deal with this.

How has Google been able to do it with multi-speaker Chromecast Audio (basically multiple chromecasts connected with wifi, each with headphone jacks to connect to the speaker) since September 2015?
 
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I never claimed to be... If they had that much work left to do (which clearly they did), they shouldn't have announced it for iOS 11. Simple as that. If you don't in any way find that ridiculous.. ha, then you need to get your lips off Apple's cheeks.

Maybe for the last many months Apple had to reallocate their limited development resources to appease the unforeseen public row of the week.
 
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Easy. Sending audio over WiFi to separate speakers is not as easy as it sounds. You need to make sure that both (if you have a stereo pair) get their audio at exactly the same time. Even the slightest delay in unacceptable.

Note that by delay I’m not talking about large obvious delays like the sound not syncing up with a movie where their lips are moving and their voice is completely out of whack. I’m talking about tiny millisecond delays. Our ears localize sound based on the volume and phase (time delay) that sound reaches our ears. If the signal is out of phase slightly (because of a slight time delay) it can have a significant affect on the sound.

I’m really very curious how Apple is going to deal with this.


I dunno probably the same way we managed to get the AirPods working
 
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They've had almost a year... I genuinely don't understand how it can be this delayed.
With a week worth of your esteemed assistance, they could probably skip 11.3 and directly jump to iOS12. You should apply for a job at Apple and we could have iOS 12 next week.

Maybe while at it you could also release the handheld quantum computer that you have been working on for a week.
 
There's nothing to understand. It is what it is. Unless, you're willing to lend a hand then sit back and relax. Do you really think Apple is withholding a feature just to spite and frustrate its customers?

With a week worth of your esteemed assistance, they could probably skip 11.3 and directly jump to iOS12. You should apply for a job at Apple and we could have iOS 12 next week.

Maybe while at it you could also release the quantum computer that you have been working on for a week.
I'm not a billion dollar company, nor do I have millions of customers... so yea. Why is this the defense?? It's not my job to do anything, I'm their customer. It's a terrible oversight on their part. Ha, people on here defend Apple way too much... they f'd up, simple as that.
 
Because you’re not a developer for a massive company with millions of users and devices that could feck up if you make a mistake...

Well, one can think he meant the announcement was too early having a realistic timeline in mind. Especially after the many delays Apple products suffered recently. Yet, you described well the challenges mass market companies are facing.
 
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Easy. Sending audio over WiFi to separate speakers is not as easy as it sounds. You need to make sure that both (if you have a stereo pair) get their audio at exactly the same time. Even the slightest delay in unacceptable.

Note that by delay I’m not talking about large obvious delays like the sound not syncing up with a movie where their lips are moving and their voice is completely out of whack. I’m talking about tiny millisecond delays. Our ears localize sound based on the volume and phase (time delay) that sound reaches our ears. If the signal is out of phase slightly (because of a slight time delay) it can have a significant affect on the sound.

I’m really very curious how Apple is going to deal with this.

This issue will be nearly impossible for Apple to perfectly solve. The only thing Apple has complete control over with respect to audio delay is the HomePod. Even Apple's own ATV will have to contend with the disparate audio processing times of the equipment they're connected to. Additionally, sound takes time to travel and you can't account for the location of where one (or more) people will be at in attempting to sync audio streams. A distance of 10 yards between speakers will be cause over 25 ms of difference in the audio streams alone. Apple might be able to get the syncing to an acceptable level, but it's virtually impossible for them to get everything perfectly in sync. Hopefully that's not what they're attempting because that's a bit of a fool's errand.

http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_timing_2w.php?time=5

You can see on this webpage that very small differences in audio syncing can be heard. I scored 10/10 down to the 5 ms level, but actually did worse than a coin flip at the 2 ms level. The limit of detectability for most people probably lies around 3-4 ms for simple sounds.

http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_timing_3w.php?time=20

That test is a bit harder, and shows that in a 3-way test it's much harder to figure out what's going on. Of course actual music will probably be much more forgiving than a simple hi-hat/bass drum clip. On that test I did well at the 50 ms level, but started failing much more at the 20 ms level. My guess is if Apple can keep it below 100 ms or so (ideally under 50 ms) without factoring in distance between speakers, most people would find that satisfactory, and perhaps unnoticeable on most actual content with multiple instruments, chords, etc all playing at the same time.
 
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How has Google been able to do it with multi-speaker Chromecast Audio (basically multiple chromecasts connected with wifi, each with headphone jacks to connect to the speaker) since September 2015?
I imagine the real issue here is HomePod troubles. Imagine you have two HomePods close enough to each other that the mics on one can hear the sound produced by the other. How does each of them calibrate the 8 amplifiers used to handle directionality? Each would have to understand which sounds picked up by its mics are eminating from itself vs the other speaker.
 
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You’d prefer them to release it full of bugs?
If the feature is still that underdeveloped.. they shouldn't have announced it. If we were talking about a small company, I'd get it. However, Apple is way too large of a company to overlook something this much.
 
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You’d prefer them to release it full of bugs?

I'd prefer them not to announce features a year before they're ready. It's obvious at this point that it wasn't even close to being done when they announced it at WWDC last year. This is the closest thing to vaporware I've ever seen from Apple. I do have confidence it will be released eventually, but the delay on this has been ridiculously long. I mean let's get real here, it's not even in the betas anymore.
 
If the feature is still that underdeveloped.. they shouldn't have announced it. If we were talking about a small company, I'd get it. However, Apple is way too large of a company to overlook something this much.

Not really. I just have an appreciation how product and software development works.
 
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