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Apple Seeds Fourth Beta of macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 to Developers [Updated]

imageWIS said:
When SSD drives come down in price, sure. But at the moment 1 or 2TB, to say nothing of anything larger are prohibitively expensive.
[doublepost=1520302262][/doublepost]Does it fix a lot of the graphics issues? There are serious issues with Metal 2 and Apple seems to be simply ignoring them...and with each incremental HS release, it seems to be getting worse. Apple USED to test this stuff over and over again until it was stable before letting it out into the wild.
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Prohibitively expensive? Who you kidding? A few years ago a 2tb ssd was about $4000, now its $450 or so. For the speed and endurance you get - thats incredibly afforable. Especially for a Mac guys (like we are) who spend 2k on our computers.

About 10 years ago we paid $500 for a 1tb spinning drve (more if you factor in inflation).

So if you, like me, thought a 1tb spinning drive was worth $500 ten years ago, you certainly cant suggest $500 for a 2tb ssd, which is light years faster (and more durable) ... isnt worth that now.

Honestly. Get a little persepctive. The amazing speed and endurance you get for the price in ssd’s these days is a dream compared to the days we geeked out about the minor speed differences between a 5400rpm spinning drive and a 7200rpm drive. Each of which not long ago we were glad to shell out hundreds of dollars for several hundred gigs of space for
 
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Guyfromtheswamp said:
About 10 years ago we paid $500 for a 1tb spinning drve (more if you factor in inflation).

So if you, like me, thought a 1tb spinning drive was worth $500 ten years ago, you certainly cant suggest $500 for a 2tb ssd, which is light years faster (and more durable) ... isnt worth that now.

Honestly. Get a little persepctive. The amazing speed and endurance you get for the price in ssd’s these days is a dream compared to the days we geeked out about the minor speed differences between a 5400rpm spinning drive and a 7200rpm drive. Each of which not long ago we were glad to shell out hundreds of dollars for several hundred gigs of space for
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Your comparison is flawed, because 10 y ago you needed only a fraction of disc space. everything is getting bigger: Programs, Photo data, movie data (first HD then 4K). So you cańt compare 1 TB 10 y ago with today.
 
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Just an observation: the Books app has been removed from macOS 10.13.4 beta 4 and iBooks is back.

I suspect this is a temporary situation while fixing some bug with the Books app.
 
Guyfromtheswamp said:
Prohibitively expensive? Who you kidding? A few years ago a 2tb ssd was about $4000, now its $450 or so. For the speed and endurance you get - thats incredibly afforable. Especially for a Mac guys (like we are) who spend 2k on our computers.
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But sometimes you don't need the speed, but rather the capacity. A family may not be able to store their entire photo and video library on SSDs because it'd be prohibitively expensive to do so, and because the speed benefits would be near-irrelevant for archival purposes. Similarly, SSDs are a poor fit for backup.
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NaOH said:
Just an observation: the Books app has been removed from macOS 10.13.4 beta 4 and iBooks is back.

I suspect this is a temporary situation while fixing some bug with the Books app.
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Maybe they're waiting to announce some change to the book store.
 
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Guyfromtheswamp said:
Well, I run a 2tb ssd internally, then have a 4tb external spinner for large files.

I just think putting any spinning disk as an internal drive is daft.
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Yes, if by internal you mean the drive for the operating system and apps – sure it has to be a flash drive. Once you've tried working on one it's horrible to go back to a spinner :)
 
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Time machine disk went south, repairing now however had to re boot seeing as I had several fusion drives according to disk utility. Will report to Apple.

Re SSD etc. When the larger size price drops I will get one but 4tb at £1300, jog on kitty, it aint happening with my bank balance. Even a 2tb is still too expensive when I can get the same in a spinner for a 1/4 the price. If you have the wallet for it then great. Thunderbolt is not exactly cheap either so would still go for a fusion with a large traditional hard drive.

For me that is, nothing to do with speed, all to do with loot.
 
Guyfromtheswamp said:
We live in an SSD world now.

Antiquated, compromised tech - like fusion drives - are not long for this world. While Apple may support APFS for fusion drives by 10.13.5. or 10.13.6, the real question is why would you even think it would make a difference?

If you want to really make a difference, bite the bullet and get a 1tb or 2tb SDD, wash your hands of spinning drive tech forever ... and walk away. :)
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Its only a mere six years ago Fusion drives became available so it is not exactly antiquated tech. Seagate SSHD (Solid State Hybrid Drive) is excellent which I use on my secondary 2009 iMac
https://www.seagate.com/gb/en/solutions/solid-state-hybrid/

One of the best drives I have ever used is spinning which is the one I currently have on my primary 2011 iMac. It is WD Black (High Performance) HDD and is available up to 6TB capacity.
https://www.wdc.com/products/internal-storage/wd-black-desktop.html
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star-affinity said:
2TB? Too small. 8 TB, please. :)
But really, for storage of lots of data (for a reasonable amount of money) SSDs still have a way to go it seems.
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Laughable really as the very first 1TB Hard Drive was only released a mere eleven years ago in 2007 which was a major milestone
https://www.pcworld.com/article/128400/article.html
 
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Guy Clark said:
Laughable really as the very first 1TB Hard Drive was only released a mere eleven years ago in 2007 which was a major milestone
https://www.pcworld.com/article/128400/article.html
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Yes, that's not that long ago for a 1 TB spinner driver – I agree. But today is still today and I think having the need for at least 4 TB storage isn't too uncommon. A 4 TB SSD isn't something I think most of us are willing to pay for to use for storage and backup that doesn't need to be as quick as the drive for the operating system and applications.
 
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When is 10.13.5? My mac is close to useless to me with Preview distorting images. I have use my antique MacBook 2009 to edit images.
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justperry said:
Don't think so, people were complaining about searching for books in Books instead of iBooks, you get irrelevant information when using the word books instead of iBooks.
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Could they change Photos back to iPhoto for that reason
 
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nycnftm said:
When is 10.13.5? My mac is close to useless to me with Preview distorting images. I have use my antique MacBook 2009 to edit images.
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Have you reported a bug? I assume you're having this issue. Seems to work for me, so perhaps Apple needs more info on tracking it down. (GPU-specific issue?)
 
Guyfromtheswamp said:
We live in an SSD world now.

Antiquated, compromised tech - like fusion drives - are not long for this world. While Apple may support APFS for fusion drives by 10.13.5. or 10.13.6, the real question is why would you even think it would make a difference?

If you want to really make a difference, bite the bullet and get a 1tb or 2tb SDD, wash your hands of spinning drive tech forever ... and walk away. :)
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I've a late 2015 iMac and not about to do that (unless, of course, you'd like to offer the funds to do so). :rolleyes:

My real question was, and is, when is Apple going to support it.

Craig Federighi said they would be in the future: "Yes, we plan to add support in a future update."

Thanks for the snark.
 
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revenire said:
I've a late 2015 iMac and not about to do that (unless, of course, you'd like to offer the funds to do so). :rolleyes:

My real question was, and is, when is Apple going to support it.

Craig Federighi said they would be in the future: "Yes, we plan to add support in a future update."

Thanks for the snark.
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Your welcome. But my question to you (non snark) is what do you expect APFS on a spinning drive (fusion drive) do for you anyway?
 
imageWIS said:
Metal 2 is not ready for prime-time and HS has massive amounts of graphics issues... I feel your pain.
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While I've seen some glitches I don't know if I'd call the amount ”massive". But I guess it depends on what you do with your computers – I can't speak for everyone. :)
 
nycnftm said:
Where is the next beta? I check for it every day
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Check again, if that does not work force the update by pressing Command-R, if that still does not work you can open terminal by pressing Command-Spacebar and type in terminal followed by Enter, or just look in /Applications/Utilities.
Open it and type the following (Or copy paste)

softwareupdate -ia

Hope that helps

Sometimes a restart also helps.
 
star-affinity said:
While I've seen some glitches I don't know if I'd call the amount ”massive". But I guess it depends on what you do with your computers – I can't speak for everyone. :)
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People unable to get work done w/ Adobe CS (i.e. professionally) is what I would call massive. The same goes for people trying to do video editing and getting crazy ghosting issues on not inexpensive iMacs... On my rMBP w/ HS I've had to reduce the transparency in order to minimize ghosting, but I still get constant dimming and lighting (dim, light, dim, light) if watching a video in full screen on any browser from any source I try... if I don't do full screen, the automatic dimming / lighting doesn't happen. This started the very day I upgraded to HS...!
 
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imageWIS said:
Metal 2 is not ready for prime-time and HS has massive amounts of graphics issues... I feel your pain.
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Yeah! That's what I think too. Have sometimes problems on videos on youtube. Sometimes there are little red dots on the video. Checked it, load the page again and they're gone. :rolleyes: Hopefully Apple will make in future updates some improvements to the drivers. In Sierra there where no problems of this sort.
 
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