With High Sierra coming after Sierra it reminds me of Snow Leopard coming after Leopard...since Snow Leopard was the best version of OSX for stability in my opinion my hopes are high for High Sierra...I am guessing I will be let down but you never know
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Apple Seeds Fourth Beta of macOS Sierra 10.12.6 to Developers [Update: Public Beta Available]
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Apple developers are the coolest. I wish I was an A-lister!
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Also reminds me of Mountain Lion coming after Lion. Lion was awful.
i'm interested, since this "every year new release madness" trend i upgrade every macOS release at the end of its cycle.
It has nothing to do with stress on the download system. It may have to do more with stress on the bug-reporting process.
Each stage of the testing process - internal (alpha), developer beta, public beta, and public release - exposes the software to a substantially larger number of users. A small population is capable of finding major flaws, but you need a larger population, running a far more diverse set of hardware and software configurations, to find the more obscure flaws.
A developer beta is more likely to be a constructive process than a public beta. Developers have a vested interest in seeing the new OS work (and seeing that their apps will run well on the new OS). They'll be far more likely to file bug reports and work constructively with the OS's developers than the public beta testers, who present more of a mixed bag.
While some public beta testers are actively engaged in the test-and-report process, others won't take the time to report - they have other priorities. Filing a useful bug report requires more than a simple, "It broke!" - it means analyzing and attempting to duplicate the issue, collecting logs, and describing it in terms that will be useful to the developer. A fair number of public testers are interested in nothing more than having "inside" access to the next big thing. If they get an onscreen prompt to file an automated crash report, they may just click "Ignore." If the bug doesn't generate an onscreen prompt they may do nothing more than reboot, or publicly complain that the new software is "buggy crap."
And yeah, there's some politics involved. If developers didn't get their hands on the beta before the public, they're less likely to feel like they and the OS developer are on the same team, working together to present quality products to the public. They may feel as if they were thrown to the wolves, rather than have a chance to have a ready response when the public starts filing reports (and complaints). This, in turn, affects the efforts the developers may make to adopt the new technologies and initiatives included in the OS.
Seriously, this one is so bad that it crapped out my 2015 MBP... Not ready for dev work even!
MacOS is pretty slow and clunky these days, and it's very obvious when you use Snow Leopard on a machine that's far less powerful.
For all the grief over Windows 10, it's very fast even on modest hardware.
Apple doesn't seem to care about OS performance when it comes to either MacOS or iOS.
You seem to think that most Mac users even know what 'version' they are on. Rest assured, 90% of users have no idea what "high sierra" even is.
iOS 11 Beta 2, please.
iOS 11 Beta 2, please.
Apple may release iOS 11 Beta 2 and iOS 11 Public Beta On June 26th
On a late-2016 MBP 15, I have found that 10.12.4 was not the most stable and 10.12.5 is not the most responsive.
I hope they can provide a version that does both before High Sierra is released. Or at least I hope I'm the only one who sees it this way.
I hope they can provide a version that does both before High Sierra is released. Or at least I hope I'm the only one who sees it this way.
I know the drum keeps beating about Snow Leopard, but I use it on an old MacBook Pro 2010 for old programs and sometimes general usage...why? Because "Yes" it is faster and "snappier" then even the newest offerings and generally feels better to use. I am amazed at the speed with general tasks like just copying a file, even over Ethernet, opening stuff and general usuage. Maybe it is because it is not bogged down with graphical eye candy or other background stuff. Feels light weight to use. Regardless, why is it faster than my newer systems once I put in 16 GB of RAM and a SSD? That is not right....now a 7-8 year old system.....
Yes..now the UI feels old etc. but it seems to fly compared to the newer? Go figure..?
My guess is so public beta testers don't cry when something goes wrong and they have to reinstall the whole thing. Public betas today are more for the person that wants it now vs the person that really wants to test it out and help the process.
Same here - waiting for 10.12.6 final before I upgrade from 10.11.6
The latest version of Sierra 10.12.5 still barfs on scanned PDF files generated by my office printer/scanner. The same files print fine from Acrobat Reader (the only reason I keep that around since Sierra dropped).
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You pretty much need to run modern macOS from a SSD. I upgraded my 2010 Mini with a SSD and it is usable now.
That's why apple keeps increasing the speeds of their proprietary ssd's: Because their OS is so ****** slow that even standard ssd's (860 Eva's, etc) arent really fast enough to remedy the sluggish OS - even though they are 20x faster than the spinning hard drives we used to use just a couple of years ago!
The performance equation for macOS will change again once APFS drops for everyone. Hopefully it'll reduce the overheads compared to HFS+ but I don't have any usage experience to comment.
PDFkit bugs are the only thing that worries me about Sierra. I wanted to update all my Macs to Sierra, but if PDFkit is still not as rock-solid as it used to be, I might decide to update to Sierra only one Mac, and downgrade the rest to Yosemite (because Preview in ElCapitan has bugs with old AMD GPUs which didn't happen with Yosemite). I really don't understand Apple these days. In fact, I was used to face serious bugs and incompatibilities only when using Windows PCs, and never with Apple.
Be careful what you wish for. The early reports are not good at all. Check out some of the beta threads. ugg..
Sierra is good, solid release.
High Sierra will be a major step forward for the platform with APFS.
Its a wonder Apple didn't choose another name to set the two releases apart.
Sierra and High Sierra has the potential to cause confusion.
It's true, I've made old Core 2 Duo era Macbooks faster by throwing Windows full time on them, it also supports further back than macOS.
After Snow Leopard, macOS seems to really hate mechanical hard drives more than Windows or Linux, I think this is where the extra slowdown comes from on old systems (on a new system like my 15" retina it's hard to tell the difference). Windows also got very good at scaling RAM, as an accidental benefit of their tablet focus.
Much of todays software is geared towards large amounts of RAM and higher specifications. That applies especially to Linux. Ubuntu ten years ago was a 768mb download. Now its more than double that with all the Unity bloat. Precisely the same can be said of Linux Mint. It is ironic the only current major release that performs well on ten year old hardware is Windows 10.