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Apple Seeds Fourth macOS Sierra 10.12.1 Beta to Developers and Public Beta Testers

schrodinger_cat said:
You're not missing anything, believe me. I have top-end iMac with SSD, and Sierra so far is nothing but slowing down, freezings on sleep/wake and 3rd party software compatibility issues. I suggest everyone to wait at least for 10.12.1 or even 10.12.2
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Thanks for this feedback. The App Store's little Install button is tempting.

I may not update my 2013 MBA at all until I'm set up for production on a new mac. My current setup is so stable.
 
When there is news about MacOS Sierra, people don't care about the OS but the new Mac.

You hear that!? APPLE!
 
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edgonzalez32 said:
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?
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Don't discount the small contingent of us that have been waiting to switch to a Mac from a PC...
 
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Does this beta fix mouse scrolling issues? I have a Logitech G700s and slow/precise scrolling was impossible with Sierra. I was initially using the drivers built into the OS. When I installed the latest Logitech Gaming software and drivers for the Mac to see if that fixed the problem, it didn't fix the scrolling problem and it created another problem -- the cursor movement was severely laggy in Parallels VMs.

I reverted back to El Capitan quickly and easily thanks to a Time Machine restore and all the mouse problems immediately disappeared. I'd like to be able to go back to Sierra but I won't be able to do so until the mouse scrolling issues are fixed. I read several posts saying scrolling was erratic with Apple's own Magic Mice with Sierra so I suspect it's more widespread than just Logitech mice.
 
All I really want is for photo people tags to sync between devices. It's hard to defend apples "better integration" when the integration doesn't actually work.
 
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edgonzalez32 said:
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?
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Interesting. Maybe, I should ask you. Have a mid-2012 13" MacBook Pro, when to upgrade?
 
edgonzalez32 said:
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013..
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Oh, so you know exactly what it's like to be sitting here with an awesome much-loved 2008 MacBook, with its outdated and degraded screen, replacement battery barely able to hold an hour charge, refreshing the MacRumors feed because there's no way we're paying full price on an already-outdated upgrade a month before the launch of something better, and because after 8 years we really do deserve an improved machine in exchange for our frugality and patience. You know what it's like to be in this position.

How badly do I need one? I can wait a few weeks. I can wait a few months if I have to. But I don't feel like I'm being pathetic in wanting a replacement.
 
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Came here to see if people were complaining about waiting for new hardware. Was not disappointed. Still waiting Apple.
 
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edgonzalez32 said:
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?
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What could I possible need ? I am on an Late 2013 rMBP 13......I'd like to exchange my 10 years old LG monitor for a nice 4K Dell - and my MacBook will not handle it at 60Hz.
 
Magnificenthack said:
Remember when Apple used to make computers? So sad those days have passed. Been waiting a year for an updated MBP and will probably have to give up and buy a PC instead. Sad tears.
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Apple makes by far the best computer in the world. It's the iPhone.

Having said that, we better have something really modern and best in class waiting for us. At least, no more mechanical harddrives, no more 128 GB SSDs, no more outdated CPUs, no more useless garbage dGPUs, no more TN panels, no more 4 or 8GB of RAM, etc.
 
edgonzalez32 said:
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?
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Because plenty of us here are using Macs as workstations with a typical cadence of 3 years. Apple hasn't even bothered with small incremental hardware touchups in years, let alone an actual refresh. Good for you if you're satisfied with your old system.
 
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Miss the days of biweekly OS X updates over ~2 years, a clean install to avoid third party software interference in debugging the core OS. Solid updates with interesting features such as the one below (sadly some not making it to GM). "Answering Machine" for iChat, leaving outgoing and incoming video messages, would be a great addition to FaceTime, especially for the deaf. I miss those idea's; not a feature for the sake of it or marketing, but something truly unique and beneficial.

Jobs announced FaceTime as open source/cross platform during an iPhone keynote, right? They lost a patent lawsuit with VirnetX but I thought the suit was only for a few years.

Apple loses Facetime patent lawsuit to VirnetX

Leopard iChat Answering Machine

https://www.macrumors.com/2006/12/13/leopard-ichat-answering-machine/
 
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otternonsense said:
Certainly no more sad miserable iGPUS either, especially on a "Pro" offering.
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When I wrote useless "dGPUs", I was talking about pathetic solutions that are already years outdated, are power hungry and failure prone.

However, it's pretty obvious that for the vast majority of users, the current best solution is integrated graphics. Good enough graphics for interface, light graphical tasks, all video and so on + slim and cool designs + great battery life.
 
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StarkerMann said:
Miss the days of biweekly OS X updates over ~2 years, requiring a clean install to avoid third party software interference in properly debugging the core OS. Solid updates with interesting features such as the one attached (sadly some not making it to GM). "Answering Machine" for iChat, leaving outgoing and incoming video messages, would be a great addition to FaceTime, especially for the deaf. I miss those idea's; not a feature for the sake of it or marketing, but something truly unique and beneficial.

Jobs announced FaceTime as open source/cross platform during an iPhone keynote, right? I recall a patent suit that put that to bed (for 5 years? which should open it up now).

Leopard iChat Answering Machine

https://www.macrumors.com/2006/12/13/leopard-ichat-answering-machine/
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Software patents are protected 20 years starting from 1995. IIRC, the last one to expire related to Facetime's "infringement" would be in 2029 from Virnetx, who said one of their patents were filed in 2009.
 
edgonzalez32 said:
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?
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I haven't upgraded my 15" MBP in 5 years and my logic board died a few months ago. I've been limping along on my daughter's Air which is fine except that it's hers and she's pissed that I have it all the time but need it for work. So, I guess if that's complaining. I see zero point in spending $2k+ for 2014 technology at this point.
 
MikhailT said:
Software patents are protected 20 years starting from 1995. IIRC, the last one to expire related to Facetime's "infringement" would be in 2029 from Virnetx, who said one of their patents were filed in 2009.
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Ugh. That's terrible. Could Apple circumvent the patent as it only applies to a certain implementation in FaceTime? I'm not well familiar with the specifics of the patent but I recall it wasn't for the entirety of FaceTime.

I was surprised to find many links including petitions regarding FaceTime being open source:

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=facetime+keynote+open+source&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
 
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