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Ugh. That's terrible. Could Apple circumvent the patent as it only applies to a certain implementation in FaceTime? I'm not well familiar with the specifics of the patent but I recall it wasn't for the entirety of FaceTime.

I was surprised to find many links including petitions regarding FaceTime being open source:

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=facetime+keynote+open+source&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Facetime was originally peer to peer and was going to be open sourced but VirnetX assert patents over the very notion of peer to peer video chat and Apple had to scrabble to write a client/server solution. After that I guess they weren't so keen to tip their hand.
 
How about them actually releasing some new hardware for Sierra?

By the time they release the new MacBooks, Samsung could release their next "hot" phone.
 
It's pretty obvious that for the vast majority of users, the current best solution is integrated graphics. Good enough graphics for interface, light graphical tasks, all video and so on + slim and cool designs + great battery life.

The vast majority of users can knock themselves out on their iPad, MacBook or MacBook Air. Offering a "Pro" piece of equipment with a lame iGPU as default is contradictory at best.
 
Public Beta 4 is also available.

1.25 GB (MBP 13" 2015).
Anybody know how many Betas the last update went to...? I installed the Beta 2 to my production machine and it's caused me all sorts of issues with font activation especially.... I was really hoping this week would be the release of the official update.... do you think it could ne close...?

Anthony
 
Remember when Apple used to make computers? So sad those days have passed. Been waiting a year for an updated MBP and will probably have to give up and buy a PC instead. Sad tears.
Be careful what you wish for....new Mac's probably won't have Magsafe, USB 3.0 legacy support, SD card slot, or HDMI port. In other words, it might just turn out to be a slightly more powerful MacBook with extra USB-C ports and maybe the gimmick bar that won't 'just work.'

My next Mac will come from the refub store because I don't want to be forced to drag dongles around just to get my new machine to work as well as my old machine.
 
Remember when Apple used to make computers? So sad those days have passed. Been waiting a year for an updated MBP and will probably have to give up and buy a PC instead. Sad tears.
I've always preferred closed-source OSs because they have a clearly defined direction and a unitary concept. However, unless Apple goes back to their previous commitment to the Mac, we are arriving to a point where I really wish Mac OS was open source, so that the desktop environment we love has a guaranteed future.
 
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Facetime was originally peer to peer and was going to be open sourced but VirnetX assert patents over the very notion of peer to peer video chat and Apple had to scrabble to write a client/server solution. After that I guess they weren't so keen to tip their hand.

Arrgh. So frustrating. Thankfully I make use of FaceTime audio and video calls on wifi in addition to Messages when out of country (although I do replace my micro-SIM with a local pay as you go carrier such as O2). Most people I know use it, it's free on wifi which is everywhere, so no need for international plans. Just wish it was available on non-Apple systems.
 
Since Apple missed the incrementally updating of the skipped MBP and this model would therefore be an incremental updating of that model, I expect major updates to all systems. We are apparently going to be stuck with latest and greatest 6th generation Intel Processor as Intel rolls out the 7th generation. (repeat year after year) That leaves the screen, 18" 4K or 5K, 1 or 2 TB SDD, faster 64+GB RAM, Larger Battery, and lots of ports of all kinds. I do not need thin and light, that is iPad territory. I need a workhorse that can handle the workload and not even blink. Enough with the gimmicks and crack candy for teens, I need a real world work machine and I need it now. Now back to all things IOS 10 and Iphone.
 
Haven't yet made the leap to Sierra on my main machine (2013 MacBook Air). It's my production machine and I don't want to face the downtime of having to install all of my development tools again (MacPorts requires re-installation for each new major version of the OS because it has a different architecture signature).

Am I missing anything useful? Have you noticed a performance improvement over El Capitan?

You're right to be cautious, some macports don't work. I've been told the solution is to ditch macports in favour of home-brew.
 
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You're not missing anything, believe me. I have top-end iMac with SSD, and Sierra so far is nothing but slowing down, freezings on sleep/wake and 3rd party software compatibility issues. I suggest everyone to wait at least for 10.12.1 or even 10.12.2

That's the plan, wait for at least the first update. That is what I do with iOS as well. I'm happy to let the rest of the world flush the bugs out.
 
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Anyone have issues on this build with BlueTooth ? It seems mine will only connect and then pair with the first Bluetooth device it see's
 
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?

same here. still on my 2011 MBP retina and its working great. No need to cry about new macs, they will come. The reason we all buy Apple is because they DO last a long time
 
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Really hoping this is the latest beta and next Tuesday we'll see the final release together with invites being sent out for the MacBools, if not then October seems unlikely for the event since I imagine they'll need at least a week to load them onto the machines and get 'em shipping'

So should I wait to replace Yosemite to macOS?
 
Haven't yet made the leap to Sierra on my main machine (2013 MacBook Air). It's my production machine and I don't want to face the downtime of having to install all of my development tools again (MacPorts requires re-installation for each new major version of the OS because it has a different architecture signature).

Am I missing anything useful? Have you noticed a performance improvement over El Capitan?

I don't use MacPorts, but I do use HomeBrew and I have had to update neither development tools or anything else related. Yosemite -> El Capitan was the first update that didn't cause significant issues updating my dev environment and El Capitan -> Sierra was pretty much painless. I had to update permissions on /usr/local (not recursively, just that directory) and... that was it.

With that said, the only feature I've actually used much is the unlock with the watch.

As a Safari user I've also used Apple Pay in the browser once and it's actually really cool.

Pretty minor though. I quite literally updated for the watch unlock feature. That was it.

This is probably the most boring update of the OS for me... ever. Been running it since 10.3 when I switched to Macs. Siri on a laptop is something I just don't care about. At the same time, I haven't had any performance issues at all and no other bugs.
 
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Because plenty of us here are using Macs as workstations with a typical cadence of 3 years. Apple hasn't even bothered with small incremental hardware touchups in years, let alone an actual refresh. Good for you if you're satisfied with your old system.
I see a lot of people say this but no one is giving me an example. What needs to be updated every three years?
 
I mean, just wait a couple weeks. How bad do you need one? And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?

I've still got my 2006 MBP running my plex media sever to the TV. HD content is jumpy when panning but all in all it works. Not bad for 10 years
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Arrgh. So frustrating. Thankfully I make use of FaceTime audio and video calls on wifi in addition to Messages when out of country (although I do replace my micro-SIM with a local pay as you go carrier such as O2). Most people I know use it, it's free on wifi which is everywhere, so no need for international plans. Just wish it was available on non-Apple systems.

Most carriers now in Europe are gearing up for 2017 and the end of roaming so I'm sure services like FaceTime and iMessage will get a jolt in traffic once this happens
 
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And why does it seem like everyone here needs a new Mac every 3 years? My 2007 MBP lasted all the way until 2013. I'm now using a 2013 rMBP, everything maxed out and I don't see myself buying a new Mac until at least 2020. What else could I possibly need?

Not even 3 years--people seem to want Mac updates every year! At first I didn't understand either, because I'm kind of like you, I've been using my 2012 rMBP for years and plan to for years to come. But I guess it's good for people who have older Macs and are actually due for an upgrade; they'll feel better about upgrading if their new Mac isn't using components older than one year. Understandable. But if Apple updates too frequently, another group of people get mad that their hardware is "outdated too quickly." It's a fine line Apple has to walk.
 
Haven't yet made the leap to Sierra on my main machine (2013 MacBook Air). It's my production machine and I don't want to face the downtime of having to install all of my development tools again (MacPorts requires re-installation for each new major version of the OS because it has a different architecture signature).

Am I missing anything useful? Have you noticed a performance improvement over El Capitan?

In my case yes, general performance improvement and in more detail: opening a virtual machine, Outlook, finder. (iMac 5k). It was an update, not clean install so I was gratefully surprised. As of new features you are not missing anything.
 
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