Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.3.5

[JFreak]

I'm not saying that Apple is infallible, but their updates are a heck of a lot better an alternative to Microsoft's incessant "fixes".

you got that right. my work pc always seems to break when the it support does the updates. i'm not allowed to do it myself, and i thank god for it 🙂 windows is just the worst piece of software ever written. i couldn't write worse code myself.

 

[FoxyKaye]

I'm not quite sure what he means by that either. I've got Panther running on a PowerMac 7300 upgraded to a G3/300 using XPostFacto with no problems.

FoxyKaye = "she" - MacRumors isn't entirely filled with BoyGeeks 😉

What I mean is that XPostFacto will do the job of getting Panther on a Beige system, however, to my understanding you need something better than the Rage128 installed in one of your PCI slots in order to have video. Last I checked in on it, the internal video still isn't supported. Also, running XPostFacto is no guarantee for a successful installation - and it seems like you're running the chance that a software upgrade later on will undo the whole knot. Rember, XPostFacto is a software hack, so even though it's really cool, it isn't Apple.

It's true that 10.2.8 is running fine on my current machine, and a few other folks pointed out the specific improvements to the underlying OS that would prevent an easy upgrade for Safari and a few other programs on the Jaguar platform (a few of which I was unaware). It's just that as a Beige owner it's hard not to feel a little burned, beginning with the whole disabled disk drive issue - I consider the Beige machines a far more expandable version of the early iMacs (even though they lacked a few of the new MoBo improvements) and they are certainly reliable. It has only been in the past year that I've started having hardware glitches pop up on me, which is amazing for a machine manufactured in 1998.

Although, imagine the outcry if Apple suddenly decided to not support the Blue & White G3 towers when Tiger is released... 😱

Looks like its time to spend a few more bucks, either on a used Radeon 7000 or a used Blue/White. 🙁

Hey, anyone out there have a Rev. 2 Blue/White or Mac Radeon 7000 PCI for like next to nothing in the SF Bay Area? Good Karma for helping out a nonprofit-employed, Geek-Potter? 😀

 

[FoxyKaye]

BTW, did you ever try changing the jumper settings to overclock your G3 desktop (hey, except for the processor, it's even more overhauled than mine!)

Thought about it - however, I've added a lot of stuff to the system through the years. Earlier this year I started noticing little hardware glitches that were causing freezes (different from the 10.2.8 freeze/blank screen issue on Beige G3s) and added an additional fan thinking it might be cooling problems (I also grabbed a bunch of old PC 486/586 processor heat sinks and affixed them with thermal glue to my hard drives - believe it or not, this helped keep them cooler when they were running a lot). Honestly, overclocking doesn't sit too well with me, mainly b/c I don't like pushing the hardware in that manner. I guess it's just a preference, since I know a lot of overclockers who run systems just fine.

 

[mkjellman]

As a developer I have downloaded and installed. I have been doing all the betas since the second panther beta. I have to say that this is the most stable beta release I have installed in about a year. I can honestly say that this should be a very good GM release. BTW there are no network issues that I can reproduce. I am on a PowerBook G4 AlBook with 1 GB of RAM. Safari was not updated and is at v146 still.

 

[bousozoku]

As far as waiting for a newer OS is concerned, what is that all about? I have noticed definite improvements with some of the double-dot releases, and no losses with the others. Besides, why wait upwards of 12 months for a dot release when you could benefit from the improvements between now and then that Apple makes available for free?

I'm always excited when Apple puts out an update. I'm not saying that Apple is infallible, but their updates are a heck of a lot better an alternative to Microsoft's incessant "fixes".

Free is in the eyes of the beholder. It seems to be included in the $129, which is also fine with me. We get a lot for the money.

I'll definitely be looking forward to incremental improvements in OpenGL and networking in this next update. It's always nice to see Apple making older machines even more worthwhile.

 

[peteMG]

I guess that's why I'm writing my own terminal. One that doesn't take 65% of the cpu when you do a while true ; echo hi ; done

Or just use xterm.. sure, it's not pleasant to customize, and no cool transparency stuff, and you have to deal with wacky X11 middle-click-copy-paste-or-some-unknown-operation mousing, but no matter .. It's been worked on by hordes of developers for centuries, so it's scary-fast! I use it whenever i want something to scroll by at seizure-inducing speeds.

 

[AppleMatt]

As a developer I have downloaded and installed. I have been doing all the betas since the second panther beta. I have to say that this is the most stable beta release I have installed in about a year. I can honestly say that this should be a very good GM release. BTW there are no network issues that I can reproduce. I am on a PowerBook G4 AlBook with 1 GB of RAM. Safari was not updated and is at v146 still.

Apple released it to very select developers ages ago, so it's already undergone loads of testing. Good to hear though, because it means it will probably only get a couple more build revisions before it's released.

I uninstalled the Safari 1.3 preview because it introduced new CSS rendering issues (despite claiming it fixed some!), but 10.3.4 contains Safari v125.7

AppleMatt

 

[ChronoIMG]

I'm just interested in new OpenGL drivers as the current ones could be better. As for Safari, which seems to be a popular topic, I switched to Firefox and haven't looked back.

 

[darkwing]

Or just use xterm.. sure, it's not pleasant to customize, and no cool transparency stuff, and you have to deal with wacky X11 middle-click-copy-paste-or-some-unknown-operation mousing, but no matter .. It's been worked on by hordes of developers for centuries, so it's scary-fast! I use it whenever i want something to scroll by at seizure-inducing speeds.

I tried xterm, and it is worse on my Mac. While xterm is only using around 10%, Xquartz is using 25% and WindowServ is using like 20%. All in all bash is around 15%. It's better with Apple's terminal.

It's bad on my 2.4 ghz p4 linux box, too. xterm uses like 22% and X uses another 20%. When you are compiling something big, say a linux kernel, the CPU should be compiling not scrolling crap. At least they fixed that in their scripts with 2.6.x, unless you do make V=1.

I think I have an idea for a terminal that can beat this problem, so I am going to try it.

Regards,
Steve

 

[AppleMatt]

I'm just interested in new OpenGL drivers as the current ones could be better. As for Safari, which seems to be a popular topic, I switched to Firefox and haven't looked back.

I agree, with OpenGL being such a core technology in Mac OS X I'm surprised they haven't done very much with boosting performance over time.

To be fair, every point upgrade that I can remember has boosted performance a little and fixed a few bugs but its still not what I expected and want.

The nVidia drivers are really what get me though, they desperately need improving.

AppleMatt

 

[avkills]

I wonder if the update is going to include CoreImage and CoreVideo since the new app Motion most certainly uses that technology. That would be cool.

-mark

 

[CubaTBird]

how long

How long before we get to dl this update? How long was the time span between the 10.3.4 update being "seeded" and its actual release to the public? 😕

 

[wdlove]

As a developer I have downloaded and installed. I have been doing all the betas since the second panther beta. I have to say that this is the most stable beta release I have installed in about a year. I can honestly say that this should be a very good GM release. BTW there are no network issues that I can reproduce. I am on a PowerBook G4 AlBook with 1 GB of RAM. Safari was not updated and is at v146 still.

This is definitely very encouraging news. Apple is really showing it's strength with X. I suppose that 10.3.5 will be released publicly about the same time a the shipping of the 2.5. All will be the sooner the better.

 

[AppleMatt]

How long before we get to dl this update? How long was the time span between the 10.3.4 update being "seeded" and its actual release to the public? 😕

It's hard to say, because this build was "privately seeded" a while ago before all the ADC developers got it.

Also, typically the 10.x.5 releases are the biggest/feature rich in OS X updates, so may take longer.

Someone earlier posted how long it took from ADC seeding to 10.3.4 release.

AppleMatt

 

[sockeatingdryer]

It's hard to say, because this build was "privately seeded" a while ago before all the ADC developers got it.

Also, typically the 10.x.5 releases are the biggest/feature rich in OS X updates, so may take longer.

Someone earlier posted how long it took from ADC seeding to 10.3.4 release.

AppleMatt

Yes, I seem to remember that from Jaguar updates. When I got 10.2.5, alot of stuff was changed... even some GUI things. (BTW, is this just my imagination, or were the stoplight-buttons sunk in by 10.2.8? Particularly in the Brushed Metal apps?

 

[shawnce]

As its stated that "Networking" will be updated, I wonder if this includes the new version of Rendezvous. It's no longer limited to one sub-net. It broadcasts and receives across DNS. So essentially global. Would be nice to see it this forthcoming update or a before Tiger one. The newer Rendezvous will be in Tiger native.

What changes are you talking about? (If Tiger related then it is likely under NDA, if so please don't say)

Rendezvous uses what is called multicast DNS (mDNS). This is sending DNS like queries out using multicast. Such packets only can span as far as switches and routers allow them to propagate, usually just a give enet segment.

Rendezvous was designed to piggy back on DNS, allowing existing DNS servers to be used as source for service resolving. They added mDNS to allow for ad hoc discovery in absence of a DNS server with service information.

To go global one needs to contact a server and do a lookup. You cannot send broadcast or multicast packets out globaly.

If changes are coming it implies that some DNS servers will be allowing folks to push information about their services / existence to them... this sounds like a feasible feature of having a .Mac account.

 

[outerspaceapple]

Safari 1.3

Hey all,

Well as far as safari 1.3 goes, I can see no performance increases/decreases, and in 10.3.4, it doesn't seem to recognize RSS feeds with that cool little button steve showed us. Basically, it looks/feels the same as 1.2.x.


Peace,
~~Eddy~~

 

[Zaty]

Hey all,

Well as far as safari 1.3 goes, I can see no performance increases/decreases, and in 10.3.4, it doesn't seem to recognize RSS feeds with that cool little button steve showed us. Basically, it looks/feels the same as 1.2.x.


Peace,
~~Eddy~~

I guess RSS won't be included in any Safari version for Panther. Apple needs to save a few features for Tiger so that as many people as possible will update to Tiger.

 

[outerspaceapple]

I guess RSS won't be included in any Safari version for Panther. Apple needs to save a few features for Tiger so that as many people as possible will update to Tiger.

Yeah, that sounds like Apple to me. Anyway, on the same note, the Tiger preview includes an even newer version of safari, 2.0. The strange thing is that the only visible new feature in safari 2.0 (from 1.2) is a new menu option called "Private Browsing" (where none of your google searches, history, page pop-down history, etc is saved after you close that safari window). it doesn't include any of the new 1.3 features (from 1.2, found in the 1.3 preferences) including RSS feed recognition.

If I were to sum it all up, it looks like the safari release for 10.3.x is going to be ALOT different than the 10.4 release, but both safari releases are still in their infancies.

 

[wdlove]

Yeah, that sounds like Apple to me. Anyway, on the same note, the Tiger preview includes an even newer version of safari, 2.0. The strange thing is that the only visible new feature in safari 2.0 (from 1.2) is a new menu option called "Private Browsing" (where none of your google searches, history, page pop-down history, etc is saved after you close that safari window). it doesn't include any of the new 1.3 features (from 1.2, found in the 1.3 preferences) including RSS feed recognition.

If I were to sum it all up, it looks like the safari release for 10.3.x is going to be ALOT different than the 10.4 release, but both safari releases are still in their infancies.

So when will we see Safari coming to maturation? Are you saying that you have the option of no history, another way to refresh Safari?

 

[Earl Urly]

You forgot...

Yeah, that sounds like Apple to me. Anyway, on the same note, the Tiger preview includes an even newer version of safari, 2.0. The strange thing is that the only visible new feature in safari 2.0 (from 1.2) is a new menu option called "Private Browsing" (where none of your google searches, history, page pop-down history, etc is saved after you close that safari window). it doesn't include any of the new 1.3 features (from 1.2, found in the 1.3 preferences) including RSS feed recognition.

What about:

Under File menu

* Mail Contents of This Page
* Mail Link to This Page

Under View menu

* RSS Search



Mail Contents of This Page sends pretty much the whole page, with multi-frame GIFs and all (although they're not animated in Mail 2.0)

 

[outerspaceapple]

So when will we see Safari coming to maturation? Are you saying that you have the option of no history, another way to refresh Safari?

Probably around the time that tiger is officially released. Here is a screenshot of the exact message you get when you select the menu item "private browsing..." under the menu "safari."


Peace
~~outerspaceapple~~

 

[outerspaceapple]

Ok, now this is just getting weird. I had this strange feeling that the developer version numbers on safari 1.3 and 2.0 were the same. As it turns out, BOTH versions are considered v146!


Here's a screenie 2 prove it.. its really weird.

 

[johnnyjibbs]

I wonder if the update is going to include CoreImage and CoreVideo since the new app Motion most certainly uses that technology. That would be cool.

That certainly would be cool, but I can't see Apple releasing those two in a minor Panther update for free when they could get us to pay for it in Tiger. CoreImage and CoreVideo are two fundamental new features of Tiger.

The only thing broke on my system is burning in iDVD 4.0.1 but I doubt 10.3.5 will fix that...