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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9d19) to Developers
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As stated by others, when you listen to music you whole system randomly freezes. None of the hotkeys or anything work. The only thing you can do is hardboot ur computer.
I am not sure, but maybe this is only limited to MBP Penryn.....
even i didn't get it in software update. i did download it from apple's website though. too scared to run it.
it's on my only comp.
Whenever any of my Leopard computers start up after the white Apple screen it goes to the plain blue screen before the log in screen, but it flashes through like 3 different shaded blue screens which it never use to do in Tiger.
It worked
Lol ok well you are probably right, but all I know is Tiger never did that and it started up and shut down quite a bit faster than Leopard! Fix it Apple
I guess nobody else is posting today. Can the MOD combine my posts please??? Thank you!
Welcome to the Fold!!
First; off you need to separate the people with the minority issues from the overall body of users. A b it of back ground is in order here to help you understand the issues. I run Linux on my desktop machines and have so for some time, my last Mac being a Mac Plus. A couple of weeks ago (month) I went out and purchased a new Mac Book Pro so my experience with this version of UNIX is new.
Deep down that is what OS/X is, it is a version of Unix with NeXT Step (Cocoa) on top of it for a user environment. That is a pretty solid combination! Like all things software though bugs do creep in from time to time, but my experience so far is that 10.5.2 is very stable. I especially like how easy it is to add in the assorted UNIX programs and to manage other free ware apps.
It is not all about free ware either as the reason I went with Apple was to partake in some of their class leading software. This being Aperture, XCode and iTunes. Maybe some others in the future. In any event see some comments below.
The good thing with the current Macs is that you have a very stable OS that runs on Intel hardware and thus can support Windows in various ways. So when using todays hardware a Mac does not completely exclude you from the world of Windows software.
In any event I've already have gone through various updates and have had no problems.
I don't have such and really don't see a pressing need. Certainly I will need some sort of anti virus protection in the future. Thankfully though I haven't experienced much in the way of adware getting installed.
In any event I'm bothered by the impression you give that you have no control over what gets installed. You do and that goes a long way to making the machine stable. As to the adware, antivirus and other "protection" you want to install, realize that that stuff eats up a lot of CPU cycles and goes to making a sluggish computer. Certainty all the junk ware of Windows doesn't help the impression of performance but full time virus protection, and other utilities are are a contributing factor. There is not free lunch when it comes to virus protection.
Finally What does get downloaded to a Mac only clogs it up in the sense of using space on the hard disk. Just because the programs are on disk does not mean that they are executing in back ground eating CPU cycles. My suggestion is to put more effort into learning about your system and how to use it properly. Buy a good book or two or find some credible internet references. Knowing when and how to do the right thing can lead to a much more reliable computer.
Otherwise you can spend your hard earned money with a "computer repairman".. Most of which just reinstall the system software to fix mucked up systems.
Dave
First; off you need to separate the people with the minority issues from the overall body of users. A b it of back ground is in order here to help you understand the issues. I run Linux on my desktop machines and have so for some time, my last Mac being a Mac Plus. A couple of weeks ago (month) I went out and purchased a new Mac Book Pro so my experience with this version of UNIX is new.
Deep down that is what OS/X is, it is a version of Unix with NeXT Step (Cocoa) on top of it for a user environment. That is a pretty solid combination! Like all things software though bugs do creep in from time to time, but my experience so far is that 10.5.2 is very stable. I especially like how easy it is to add in the assorted UNIX programs and to manage other free ware apps.
It is not all about free ware either as the reason I went with Apple was to partake in some of their class leading software. This being Aperture, XCode and iTunes. Maybe some others in the future. In any event see some comments below.
While those are all good reasons to go the Apple route I would suggest that taking in the bigger picture is just as important. By this I mean it is good to have competition with Microsoft. It is pretty obvious what happens to a monopoly when the leadership team doesn't have a vision anymore. In other words alternatives like Apple, Sony {PS3}, and Linux are very important to have when the big ship is sinking.
It is entirely up to you. The best way to do so is to develop the back bone to not let people crap on your vision of the world.I ordered it yesterday through macmall, it shipped yesterday and by the tracking ticket - it should be here today or Monday. Please let me be a happy mac owner!!
There are actually people out there that will tell you they like Vista or for that matter any previous version of Windows. The big draw for Windows has always been the notion of software availability which is real. In the past I simply could not have done my Job on a Mac system so at work it has always been Windows in one variant or another. It can be a place to get work done reliably in a tightly controlled environment.
The good thing with the current Macs is that you have a very stable OS that runs on Intel hardware and thus can support Windows in various ways. So when using todays hardware a Mac does not completely exclude you from the world of Windows software.
You should normally consider updates as required!!! That is after verifying that they cause no trouble. Many of the problems in Windows for example result from people ignoring system and security updates.
In any event I've already have gone through various updates and have had no problems.
Some will some won't. That is no reason to avoid the internet though. First; off there are very few cross platform viruses. Second; a huge portion of Windows viruses come in E-Mails and exploit issues with Windows Outlook.
No more than any other bits of software that gets cached on your hard drive. The approach here is simple manage what is cached on your hard drive. Thus limit how much space Safari or FireFox use on your disk drive. Same thing for your E-Mail programs. When it comes to downloads manage the also. Make it a point to trim your downloads directory often.
I don't have such and really don't see a pressing need. Certainly I will need some sort of anti virus protection in the future. Thankfully though I haven't experienced much in the way of adware getting installed.
In any event I'm bothered by the impression you give that you have no control over what gets installed. You do and that goes a long way to making the machine stable. As to the adware, antivirus and other "protection" you want to install, realize that that stuff eats up a lot of CPU cycles and goes to making a sluggish computer. Certainty all the junk ware of Windows doesn't help the impression of performance but full time virus protection, and other utilities are are a contributing factor. There is not free lunch when it comes to virus protection.
Finally What does get downloaded to a Mac only clogs it up in the sense of using space on the hard disk. Just because the programs are on disk does not mean that they are executing in back ground eating CPU cycles. My suggestion is to put more effort into learning about your system and how to use it properly. Buy a good book or two or find some credible internet references. Knowing when and how to do the right thing can lead to a much more reliable computer.
Otherwise you can spend your hard earned money with a "computer repairman".. Most of which just reinstall the system software to fix mucked up systems.
Dave
A very good suggestion if I do say so my self.
This is very important for people to grasp a programmer can't fix what he doesn't know about. Further you can be assured that Apple wants to know about real bugs and regressions. The flips side of this is that the status report can give you some idea of the problems nature, maybe they don't see things the same way as you. Thus by filling a report people can understand where the issues lie.
dave
A very important point ++++++++++
I think this is a bit of developer speak in that they tackle a set of known issues for the next release. The flip side of this is just because you or I think it is a problem does not imply that Apple feels the same way. Finally there is always an issue of a regression on the way to a different solution, thus some bugs will stay where they are because a feature or package might not be expected to be around for a long time.
This is very important for people to grasp a programmer can't fix what he doesn't know about. Further you can be assured that Apple wants to know about real bugs and regressions. The flips side of this is that the status report can give you some idea of the problems nature, maybe they don't see things the same way as you. Thus by filling a report people can understand where the issues lie.
dave
How do I contact my home computer if I'm at work? I always wondered how my office mac would see my home mac if I was at work........
I hope they get back to my mac working on 3rd party routers. I know it has to do with how the security is setup and all, but I can't get BTMM working anywhere but home, or with an Apple router.
That is one of the best features I have seen in this new Leopard/Airport/Screen Sharing thing Apple has... I really hope they get it working.
That is one of the best features I have seen in this new Leopard/Airport/Screen Sharing thing Apple has... I really hope they get it working.
I'm having trouble with this, too. I thought it was me.
I hope we see some fixes in the next software revision.
i use this program called insomniax so my mac always stays awake even when i close the display
. i have my mac plugged in most of the time so i dont have to worry bout battery
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Sure. MAC is an acronym. Many people who have made the switch says it stands for My Awesome Computer
Seriously though, I am glad you are the second one to tell me that. I do not plan on installing much from third party (except parallels, which is coming pre-configured and one or 2 apps that Apple does not make themselves). I am not interested in hacks, nor free stuff to make it prettier. My plan is only trusted apps (right from Apple, Omnicell (who makes Omnigraffle), Quickverse and one or two other essentials I need) - no junk will go on my MAC.
MAC is not an acronym
Sure. MAC is an acronym. Many people who have made the switch says it stands for My Awesome Computer
Seriously though, I am glad you are the second one to tell me that. I do not plan on installing much from third party (except parallels, which is coming pre-configured and one or 2 apps that Apple does not make themselves). I am not interested in hacks, nor free stuff to make it prettier. My plan is only trusted apps (right from Apple, Omnicell (who makes Omnigraffle), Quickverse and one or two other essentials I need) - no junk will go on my MAC.
ok
your the only clown telling me to calm down like I can't express my opinions on here what the hell?
your the only clown telling me to calm down like I can't express my opinions on here what the hell?
you can express your opinion, but he was commenting on the fact that the updated to OS X have been (and will remain) free! All he was saying is they wont deviate from that, because it would not be smart for them to do otherwise.
The way you word it, it makes it sound like your Mac will be hacked and viruses (that don't do anything) will be downloaded without your permission, just by connecting to the Internet. The only way this could happen without user intervention is through exploiting that specific type of security hole (one that requires no user intervention). Otherwise, if you mean going to web sites on the Internet, you would have to actively open a file that exploits a security hole, such as loading an image or movie file on a web page. (Or, you could knowingly download and run a program that purports to be something else, or something that says you "need it," and you don't know what else to do so you just install it.) Anyway, if your Mac is being hacked just to store Windows viruses on your hard drive, then what's the point in hacking the computer in the first place? My point is, if someone is going through all the trouble to hack your Mac, don't worry, they will go all the way and write a Mac virus or do whatever for "useful purposes", and not pretend to by filling up your hard drive with programs that they know can't be run in the first place (which I can't imagine is useful.)
Glad to hear that. I just remember some ealier posts about people finding windows malware stored on their hard drive. I just want to make sure I protect my new investment. And yes investment. Mac is not cheap, but I hear many people say it lasts and have been running theirs for a long time.
thanks Dave. I already bought a book "Special edition Using Mac OS X Leopard" it is one of the Que books (and I also bought a book on making the most of iLife)
Can any one tell me if these updates are required or optional? One thing I hate about MS is waking up in the morning to find that updates were downloaded and then spend 1/2 my day fixing the errors that are occuring.
Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC. While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space. Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.
All the people in this forum are techie people therefore they are going to complain about little things that normal people would never even notice. I have LOVED Leopard even from the very beginning and have had basically no problems with it at all. I wouldn't worry, you will love your Mac and I have never heard anything about viruses like that. I don't think you need to worry, just enjoy!
I wouldn't worry either.
The facts are:
98% of Leopard users have less than a 1 in 150 chance of having any OS problems 56% of the time, on a good day.
The facts are:
98% of Leopard users have less than a 1 in 150 chance of having any OS problems 56% of the time, on a good day.
It does work, I just did it! I think he is saying that it should be that way by default without having to select it, therefore it needs fixed. I think he is right because I didn't ever have to select auto-close like that in Tiger. But either way, now it closes. Thanks!
:Sure. MAC is an acronym. Many people who have made the switch says it stands for My Awesome Computer
Haha, I always say "PC" in one as well... Piece of Crap! I know many who agree lol
wizard:
I totally agree. Especially with the point that users have control over what gets installed. Many people moan about Vista's UAC prompts, unaware that what it does is give them control over their computer. I know a lot of developers in Microsoft, and one of them showed me a demo application he wrote for a presentation that disabled the user's firewall. Under XP, it worked. You were never prompted; you may not even know that it had ever run. On Vista, you got a UAC prompt that an application the user didn't know was trying to alter the system.
In fact, once you understand why a lot of the decisions in Vista were taken, you can understand and sympathise with the changes that were made, even though they broke compatibility. Most people don't have this understanding, and can't appreciate that a lot of the compatibility issues give them better performance and/or security, and that it is a much better OS.
OSX has something similar to this. By default you run in a limited user mode. If you want to copy things to protected directories, you have to enter an administrator password (not necessarily root - your account pw works, showing that by default you don't have the full permissions your account entitles you to).
Basically, if you are running the latest OS version, you're pretty safe. Vista is exceptionally hard to crack, due to the billions of dollars Microsoft has invested in security. Apple seems quite good at features, but I doubt their competence when mac security vulnerabilities start becoming more widespread. That said, as a Mac user, I'd very much like to be proven wrong.
I totally agree. Especially with the point that users have control over what gets installed. Many people moan about Vista's UAC prompts, unaware that what it does is give them control over their computer. I know a lot of developers in Microsoft, and one of them showed me a demo application he wrote for a presentation that disabled the user's firewall. Under XP, it worked. You were never prompted; you may not even know that it had ever run. On Vista, you got a UAC prompt that an application the user didn't know was trying to alter the system.
In fact, once you understand why a lot of the decisions in Vista were taken, you can understand and sympathise with the changes that were made, even though they broke compatibility. Most people don't have this understanding, and can't appreciate that a lot of the compatibility issues give them better performance and/or security, and that it is a much better OS.
OSX has something similar to this. By default you run in a limited user mode. If you want to copy things to protected directories, you have to enter an administrator password (not necessarily root - your account pw works, showing that by default you don't have the full permissions your account entitles you to).
Basically, if you are running the latest OS version, you're pretty safe. Vista is exceptionally hard to crack, due to the billions of dollars Microsoft has invested in security. Apple seems quite good at features, but I doubt their competence when mac security vulnerabilities start becoming more widespread. That said, as a Mac user, I'd very much like to be proven wrong.