compuguy1088
macrumors 6502a
ADC student members from what I've read, do not get the beta access, you have to pay more for that
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ADC student members from what I've read, do not get the beta access, you have to pay more for that
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compuguy1088
macrumors 6502a
I really liked the music in the iMac commercial, but in this video it doesn't fit in at all if you ask me. Really bad choice... But it's only the intro video so it's not like the end of the world.
I think the music fits quite well, though at the end, it just cuts off, which is the only problem with it...
CmdrLaForge
macrumors 601
Well I thought that its quite obvious. If its a production machine it means you make your living of it. You usually don't have the time nor can you afford that it is not running smoothly and your workflow isn't broken.
bluedoggiant
macrumors 68030
all this leopard talk... does steve jobs know about this site??? hope he does, were waiting for results
Mmmm. The method I mentioned has worked for me in the past.
What happens when you normally boot is that there is a kextcache which lists the known kexts that works with the particular system that you are booting. This is part of the smoke and mirrors magic of caches and fast boot times.
If you boot the system on unknown Mac hardware it will boot but will take longer to do as the Kextcache is ignored and the boot sequence has to find the appropriate kexts. This is a rough explanation of what happens. As the target Mac is for all intents and purposes just a HD as far as the other Mac and Install disc are concerned, it might as well be an external HD. The external HD that I bring on jobs was installed from a G4 PowerMac and has booted several G4/G3models: iMacs Powerbooks and iBooks. I tend to only do this with models in or around the same vintage or older than the Powermac
As I have said I have not had problems with this method. It is not a method sanctioned by Apple so there are perhaps inherent dangers in doing it this way. I seem to remember that I have done it this way in the past where the target Mac had no DVD drive and the install was on a DVD. The other thing is that I used a full retail copy of OS X not a bundled disc associated with a particular Mac model. As you were attempting the boot Mac Book HD connected to MacBook Pro, It may not have worked as there will not have been a stand alone install Disc for OS X on Intel Macs until Leopard is released.
bluedoggiant
macrumors 68030
who is this thinksecret guy???
he knows everything apple, and owns leopard, check this out: http://thinksecret.com/news/0709leopard9a599.html
he knows everything apple, and owns leopard, check this out: http://thinksecret.com/news/0709leopard9a599.html
MrCrowbar
macrumors 68020
How did you do that screenshot? You don't seriously have a white desktop, do you? If I use Grab, do "Capture Window" on the Dock, I get no picture.
Transeau
macrumors 6502a
Do that when the dock is on the right or left of the screen and I'll be happy
Only the Grid while on the Left / Right
The disk utility now shows Upper and Lower Optical Drives.
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Visit http://developer.apple.com/leopard/ and look in upper right corner.
someone is just feeding him stuff, someone who has access to Leopard seeds (like many of us do... but most of us honor our NDA with Apple).
It is a runtime and compiler feature with only a minor language aspect. Also programmers still allocate memory (objects), they just don't need to explicitly free/release it since the garbage collector will do that for them.
Memory profiles of Cocoa applications shouldn't change much from what you see today given the generational nature of the garbage collector (note the runtime is open source so not covered by NDA) and the way Cocoa applications are usually written.
Those are some valid points. But don't claim that "everyone" has those same issues. Most people like the new dock, from what I've seen. Now, they toned down the menu bar so it's not butt ugly which is nice. But for YEARS and YEARS all I could hear people complain about it how Mac OS X has 3 different interfaces (Aqua, Brushed Metal, and Tiger's Spotlight). Now it has one and you're calling foul?
Also, when I was helping people move over from Windows, they had NO idea how to tell which window was in front. To make it worse, they were used to full screen apps so having lots of windows and training to use Exposé took time. So it think it's FANTASTIC that Leopard makes it easier to tell which windows is up front.
On background tasks, my experience running Leopard betas (I've run everything before 527) is that Spotlight runs "like butter" (as the steve so eloquently would describe it). It indexed fast and didn't interfere with anything like Tiger. I did notice when Time Machine was backing up. Then again, that was on my 12" PowerBook G4. I think I can forgive Leopard for slowing my machine down for 3 minutes every day on an old lappy like mine.
Personally, Column view beats ANYTHING any other operating system uses. And what is the "garbage collection added" to Cocoa? Is it Core Animation?
I am not sure I have understood you totally, but if I have then it would appear that you believe that each installation on any hardware includes all of the drivers and kexts available on the install media, and the boot sequences creates a cache telling the firmware which ones are required for the boot sequence to complete successfully, initialising all of the hardware present. I might be wrong but I don't think this is the case. Case in point, the MBP has nVidia graphics as opposed to the Intel GMA950 on the MB. That alone would cause the bootup to burp mightily unless both drivers were available, which they appear not to be. Not saying that with the right combiniation of similar hardware, you could not get something usable working. The hardware differences with the G4/G3 range seemed to be marginal given the glacial rate of Apple PPC development. Just out of interest, try using an G4 iBook (ATI graphics) install on a Powerbook G4 12" (nVidia graphics) and see how it goes. Maybe Open Firmware was better at dealing with this than EFI.
As a professional designer, I think I'm qualified to make a judgement on what looks professional or not.
I've been with Mac OS X since the beginning. 10.0 was butt ugly. Compared to OS 9 it was awesome. But the bright colors, shiny buttons, and kid-like icons made it feel like a children's toy. XP went with that theme by making Windows look like it was made by Fisher Price.
But do you really believe that Tiger's brushed metal looks less professional than Leopard's smooth metal windows? And the folder icons that aren't tacky pinstripes? I could go on.
Looks like nice list for the wish list... ( http://guides.macrumors.com/Mac_OS_X_Wish_List )
++Added that OS-X still is not able to MOVE in finder on a decent way (not even a APPLE-X, APPLE-V). And yes, apple can implement this in a way it is normal (and not the way that if you drag something to a folder with a folder/file that already exsist the original file is just gone like it is the case right now... at least move it to the trash!).
++Added that (at least X.4.10) is still unable to determine that an app is crashing (mostly firefox) making even the dock and the apple menu unresponsable so I can't quit the app. (I need to go to another app to click on the apple).
Finally i know where I recognised it... it was on Teletubbies! http://images.google.nl/images?q=Teletubbies+XP
Retail versions of Mac OS X contain all drivers needed for all hardware shipped (and supported by that version of Mac OS X) before the DVD disc in the retail box what stamped. An install from a retail disc will contain all drivers as well. The discs that come with a computer also follow the same pattern however they often contain additional drivers for that system, assuming it was a newly released system, that are not yet available from a retail version.
Anyway he is talking about the "kext cache" that exists. This is a cache of kernel extensions (kexts) that the hardware in known to need. The cache is used to speed boot times by packaging all of the kext needed by the system at boot time into a single file (/System/Library/Extensions.mkext, etc.) that can be loaded more quickly then by parsing and loading individual kexts (found under /System/Library/Extensions). If the cache is missing or doesn't contain a kext needed by the system when it boots it will fault and fallback on the slower method of looking up the needed kext. In other words the kext cache is used to speed boot times but it doesn't prevent booting if the kext is some how out-of-date or missing.
Oh EFI is in general better then OF at a lot of this stuff.
Wow! iChat reflects a date??? WoW!
Next iCal it will do MSN...
(yeah i know, but i did see some british humor there ) Really like it by the way. (thanx for the post!)
Transeau
macrumors 6502a
As a professional designer, I think I'm qualified to make a judgement on what looks professional or not.
Let's keep in mind that the Chevy HHR, Windows Vista, new Honda Civic, the Zune along with many other very ugly (and NEW) items were also designed by "Professional Designers".
Personally, I think 10.5 looks great, and has gotten better with each build.
If people don't like how it looks, no one is forcing them to buy it. okay, except for the people who buy new Mac's after October.
Command-option-escape should bring up the force quit dialog regardless of being able to the use menu. The issue is that the application hasn't actually crashed but likely deadlocked (or a few related types of failures). This can cause the menu bar to not respond while in the context of this application.
phillipjfry
macrumors 6502a
Blue Velvet
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Let's keep in mind that the Chevy HHR, Windows Vista, new Honda Civic, the Zune along with many other very ugly (and NEW) items were also designed by "Professional Designers".
Industrial designers for the most part...
The Leopard GUI, from what I've seen, looks dreadful by Apple's standards. Maybe it's an attempt to make it comforting to shoppers comparing it to Vista. Anyway, we'll see. I reserve the right to be unconvinced at this stage... Apple are not infallible.
Quit iCal.?? I am looking at my iCal icon now it says Sep 22. There is an issue with iCal?
macguysoft
macrumors member
As a professional designer, I think I'm qualified to make a judgement on what looks professional or not.
And as a non-programmer, your judgement about the OS is limited in that respect. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say but you're certainly justified in making such a judgement due to your qualifications. What necessarily would you deem unprofessional? Any specifics and reasons? No detailed explanation is necessary...
Perhaps it is underwhelming because you were overwhelmed with expectations from Apple? Pardon me for defending as you'll probably expect from a stupid "fanboy" but neither do I wish to say that you're opinion is completely wrong. It's just that in my humble opinion, Leopard is a very huge step forward when it comes to the OS itself. People tend to think that Leopard is simply a GUI change with some features but in reality, there is plenty of change. In time, we'll see some great applications from developers that takes advantage of these new technologies. Garbage Collection being another such advantage.
However, I think it's Apple's fault for using a "Top Secret" label which inevitably would increase this expectations. As it is, Leopard is more than enough of an improvement. As some people have already mentioned, there are tons of little features that eventually add up toe improve the OS experience. Leopard is definitely the best version of Mac OS X that I've seen thus yet. The latest builds have been a stable experience for me but due to so many variables, I'm sure others who do a archive install will have a variety of problems.
It seems that you tend to think..."I don't see much, therefore there isn't much good change" and of course coming from a designer, this is to be expected. Human nature also adds onto this fact that we look at things from what it seems to be rather than what it is. You look at one picture but don't look at the whole picture.
Like some OS9 users didn't switch to OSX, the same will be the case for Leopard but most people will (I assure you) buy this new OS...
BTW: Have you even tried Leopard?
Blue Velvet
Moderator emeritus
If no detailed explanation is necessary then I won't provide one. From what I've seen it looks cheap, even the rumoured Leopard disc packaging and the released intro movie. It's just getting full of visual spack... like a cheap toy; all plastic chrome, transparency and reflections.The new Dock is particularly ugly... but then again, some people like it. Some people like Vista. Doesn't mean I have to.
Heh, you obviously don't know me.
I've been around the block here and have seen the hype build up about OS releases, the hysteria on release day, and the inevitable disappointments and problems. I'm very cautious about OS upgrades because, as clearly stated before, they tend to break my workflow. And it takes more than some glossy features to make the upgrade case for me to be compelling... an improved Finder and Spotlight sound good though.
The OS is a means to an end. In my case, creating an environment I can be productive and creative in. It's not the end in itself.
This is all highly amusing; being on the receiving end of some Mac-head's ire because I dare to question the Emperor's new clothes.