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I'm excited to see what they will do for 10.7

1. You guys think theres going to be some UI differences?

2. -adding more features.

3. -More customization such as more docks to choose from.
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Maybe

My guess is that the public is about 18 months from seeing OS X 10.7 as released software. That's a lot time away, so I don't really spend much time thinking about it.
 
here were the updates listed in the last build 10H542

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- address an issue where dragging an item from a stack causes the Dock to not automatically hide

They manage to find and fix things like this, and yet still no fix for Dashboard's iTunes widget, as complained about since 2005 :confused: :(.
 
OS X is fairly mature and doesn't need a really fast update schedule anymore.

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If anything I'd rather they continue to refine the OS for stability and performance rather than try to enhance it anymore. It is a beautiful system and there is little I would change about it right now.

-Z

Right its simply perfect... In truth many apps still need to be ported to 64bits, drivers need to be fully updated to allow all their features, bugs need to be squashed, and finally Quicktime X needs to be finished (the missing features of Quicktime 7 need to finally get integrated). And that's just the top of my head in a 5 second response to your claim.
 
In time . . . OS X = iOS and iOS = OS X.

It's better to welcome the change. Don't fight it. ;)

And at that time, Apple OSX will cease to exist.

And all of the content creators will be creating content for IOS Itoys on their Windows systems, because Apple OSX is gone, and none of the ARM-based Itoys are adequate for the task.

And you will all sing praises to the turtlenecked overlord for what he has given you. And you won't realize how much you have given up.

Jobs saved Apple in 1998, only to kill it in 2011.
 
We're heading into 10.6.5 and it got me thinking how close we are getting to 10.7

I'm excited to see what they will do for 10.7

You guys think theres going to be some UI differences?

-adding more features.

-More customization such as more docks to choose from.

1. Yes, look at Mobile Me's Mail, and imagine that look for the entire OS.
2. Of course. I really hope they revamp the Finder, but I'm not holding my breath.
3. No. Steve has better taste than all of us, so he chooses.
 
In time . . . OS X = iOS and iOS = OS X.

It's better to welcome the change. Don't fight it. ;)



I just don't see the need to combine the two. iOS is designed for mobile devices and it shows - it has a very simple interface and doesn't multitask well. OS X is designed for work - great multitasking but a more complex interface. What's the point of oversimplifying OS X when you need those extra capabilities or making iOS more complicated than it should be?
 
What really ticks me off is how I get a million updates for stuff I don't have like how iTunes 10 featured Ping (I can't use the iTunes Store because I don't have Safari 4 < because I don't have 10.5.8< because of a glitch).

You must have a hellova glitch in your gitalong.

I'm running OS 10.4.11 and Safari 4.1.1 as well. Everything runs just fine here. I haven't upgraded beyond iTunes 9.2 because I don't need what version 10 added, but I understand that I could upgrade to iTunes 10 were I to want to.
 
Only in your dreams.

lol, I second that - if Apple is trying to kill the Mac they're doing a crappy job at it - double digit growth, hardware refreshes and updates for Mac OS X. Those with the doom and gloom tend to be whining about stuff that the bulk of users don't give a rats ass about. For most of 'us' (normal users), we're actually happy with it - and that is who Apple listens to and not the whining 'power users' who undermine the reliability of their system through their stupidity.
 
OS X is fairly mature and doesn't need a really fast update schedule anymore.

I don't know about you but 10.6.4 has been rock solid for me. I haven't had any crashes, and performance has been excellent all around on all the machines I use it on. (2006 Mac Pro, 2007 iMac at work, and my 2010 Macbook Pro)

If anything I'd rather they continue to refine the OS for stability and performance rather than try to enhance it anymore. It is a beautiful system and there is little I would change about it right now.
-Z

I agree with your assessment. It seems as if Apple's focus is in optimizing graphic and raw computer power from the newer CPUs and GPUs.

Snow Leopard was quite an overhaul from Leopard, even though it didn't add many features. It came out the door with more bugs then was intended and Apple is still squashing them while making the OS more and more multi-core aware.

If I expect anything new may be in the wind, it may be to make OS 10 more touch and user aware so programmers can add that capability into specialized programs.

Who knows when we may ever see 10.7 come along. I remember reading somewhere that the Mac OS will never go beyond 10, so Apple's not likely to burn through the remaining three decimals any time soon.
 
You must have a hellova glitch in your gitalong.

I'm running OS 10.4.11 and Safari 4.1.1 as well. Everything runs just fine here. I haven't upgraded beyond iTunes 9.2 because I don't need what version 10 added, but I understand that I could upgrade to iTunes 10 were I to want to.

If you're on 10.4 you understand incorrectly. iTunes 10 requires 10.5 or greater.
 
We're heading into 10.6.5 and it got me thinking how close we are getting to 10.7

I'm excited to see what they will do for 10.7

You guys think theres going to be some UI differences?

-adding more features.

-More customization such as more docks to choose from.

I can't actually believe SL has been out for a year. That means we are likely to see 10.7 at the next wwdc.
Personally, I would love if they don't go with the bs "we love finder so we won't change it much" attitude they have had since Tiger was released.
 
I can't actually believe SL has been out for a year. That means we are likely to see 10.7 at the next wwdc.
Personally, I would love if they don't go with the bs "we love finder so we won't change it much" attitude they have had since Tiger was released.

Apple changed the Finder heavily since 10.4 came out. The current Finder has less integration with other apps as he could. Mac OS 10.7 will change it. Mac OS 10.7 will be magic!
 
Apple changed the Finder heavily since 10.4 came out. The current Finder has less integration with other apps as he could. Mac OS 10.7 will change it. Mac OS 10.7 will be magic!

Rewriting to cocoa is the only major change but I still want tabs and the ability to cut and paste files.
 
I'd probably say it has more to do with OpenGL rather than the drivers itself - the drivers aren't the problem, it the lack of OpenGL optimisation, the lack of GLSL 1.3 and the uniform_buffer_object extension. Hopefully Apple is moving closer to addressing those issues because not all of the performance issues are related to the driver on the hardware.

Well apart from OpenGL performance, 10.6.4's ATI Radeon HD 5*** drivers contain a few bugs which have to be resolved. So that might be what Apple is talking about.
 
I'd probably say it has more to do with OpenGL rather than the drivers itself - the drivers aren't the problem, it the lack of OpenGL optimisation, the lack of GLSL 1.3 and the uniform_buffer_object extension. Hopefully Apple is moving closer to addressing those issues because not all of the performance issues are related to the driver on the hardware.

Well unlike the rest of the OpenGL aware OS environments, OS X is the only one that has OpenGL as it's foundation around the entire Desktop Environment (DE).

In other words, OS X when it is fully OpenGL 3.x compliant means every bit of the DE is fully OpenGL 3.x leveraged.

I've got OpenGL 3.3/4.1 drivers for Linux but the DE is not even OpenGL 2.x ready.
 
Well apart from OpenGL performance, 10.6.4's ATI Radeon HD 5*** drivers contain a few bugs which have to be resolved. So that might be what Apple is talking about.

When I see '3D Graphics' I instantly assume the OpenGL stack rather than the drivers itself. What kinds of bugs are you having? they could be related to the OpenGL stack, it could be related to a bug the driver API, it could be related to the driver itself. It isn't as simple as some sort of one to one relationship between the fault and it being obvious such as blaming the driver.

Who knows when we may ever see 10.7 come along. I remember reading somewhere that the Mac OS will never go beyond 10, so Apple's not likely to burn through the remaining three decimals any time soon.

They aren't decimal points they're merely separators. 10.6 simply means, "Mac OS X version 6".

Driver bugs are always a moving target, regardless of the vendor.

True, and many of the bugs aren't always driver related, sometime they're hardware related and thus require the vendor to add something to the driver to work around the bug. Hardware bugs are common all the time and easily worked around though ucode and firmware updates.
 
3d Graphics, Do it right this time

I hope they do it right this time, I wanna see SC2 running as its supposed to run, I wanna see Aperture 3 not hanging up.

G.
 
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