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On iOS I turned off mail categories straight away. Terrible feature.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who views it this way. I strongly dislike the email categories in Google's Gmail and pretty much everywhere else I find them.

My feeling is, categories just cause me to miss email I need to see, AND it encourages hanging onto a lot of useless junk mail because it gets "tucked away" under various category tabs where you forget about it.

What I think mail clients *really* need are more tools to allow selectively deleting groups of mail based on criteria you specify. I'd love it if, for example, I open a piece of mail from Walgreens and could just right-click on it to get a menu with a "Remove all mail from this sender received before" and get prompted for a date.

Sometimes, I don't mind getting "junk mail" from restaurants or stores I frequent, but I definitely don't need their older mail with expired offers or sales hanging around.
 
No, and I‘m sure that Apple won’t enable it any time soon. They even removed any references to iPhone Mirroring from the German (and other EU) macOS websites. :(
That is really disappointing, it was one of the features getting me over the line to get a new M series MBP now.
 
" The update brings a range of new emoji characters to the Mac." There it is!!! Thats #1 priority over bug fixes and stability. Massive resources must have been pulled to achieve this for that update!
 
There were at least 2 stories about iOS doing that and at least half of the responses were “didn’t happen to me”.
I have been watching the non-beta updates on my Mac and iPad and it did not happen to me.
Don’t know what else to say.
Well then there's no need for you to say anything else about it, since it didn't happen to you and apparently still isn't happening to you with this RC.

I am one of those who it did happen to (twice). It's not a super-mega-concern, as the toggle is easy to find, but it is a nuisance I'd rather do without.
 
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I don't run betas.
This thread is about the RC beta, and has comments relating to previous betas not official public releases, as far as I'm aware. Some previous betas have turned AI on.

Anyway, it doesn't matter any more! This RC (on both MacOS and iOS) hasn't turned AI back on if it was previously off.
 
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I've said it before, but removing most first party apps from the OS in favor of independent updates would be a welcome change for me. Something as simple as mail categories could be added much quicker in a standalone mail pipeline. Let alone the ability for me to uninstall Mail.app if it weren't tied to OS, as I don't use it. Or the multitude of bloat apps, like Stickies from Tiger, effectively replaced over a decade ago with Notes in Mountain Lion.
Yes, but back in the Steve era it was great idea for business, to built OS architecture from modules, that than will be reused in different apps. But right now, this is doesn't matter. Just squeeze every penny and change as less as possible.
 
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Yes, but back in the Steve era it was great idea for business, to built OS architecture from modules, that than will be reused in different apps. But right now, this is doesn't matter. Just squeeze every penny and change as less as possible.
I can understand including a default mail client, among several other default apps. But so many people use email in-browser nowadays. It's fine with me if Apple wants to include all of the current apps they do, but simply add the ability to delete most default apps, like you can on iOS now. Apps like Photo Booth and Tips are completely unnecessary for me. The former is actually a hindrance to launching Photos or Photoshop faster. I still can't believe Chess.app hasn't been ported to mobile.
 
Maybe Apple will add categorization to a consolidated inbox. I use Apple Mail to pull mail from 3 inboxes. I have a consolidated Inbox, but the categorization only recognizes each of the three individual inboxes - not the main/master/consolidated Inbox.....
 
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That is really disappointing, it was one of the features getting me over the line to get a new M series MBP now.
It’s a pretty useless feature as it relies on Bluetooth and the phone needs to be close to where you are using your Mac
I hardly ever use it, my iphone is always in close proximity
Now, if it used wi-fi to connect instead that would be very useful, I could leave my iphone on the kitchen counter all day…
 
stop re writing features that are already added by previous macOS 15.4 dev beta updates. You are writing it like it is just added to the macOS with this release candidate version.
 
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So, the update will turn on Apple AI again, I suppose? I wish Apple would stop doing this, do they think we will get fed up turning it off and start using it?
I don't want AI on my computer, simple as that and looking at the muck ups that these AI things are making, they seem to be about as useful as a bucket with a hole in.
It never did this for my iPad or any of my computers
 
Categories would be actually useful if you could make them instead of having a few predetermined useless ones.

I worked for a few months at a company that used Gmail as their official email client. Having custom categories would’ve been great.

Gmail and now Apple are making the same 4 useless categories that nobody cares about. They should let us make our own.
 
That's 1.8 Mb you're never going to get back.
It's not the 1.8 Mb, it's the space in the applications menus you have to scroll over. Even the ability to move the useless apps to a folder called Z_Useless_Clutter would be a help.

Chess, Clock, FaceTime, FontBook, Freeform, Home, Messages, Mission Control, News, PhotoBooth, Podcasts, Reminders, Shortcuts, Siri, Stickies, and Voice Memos would all be in the bin.
 
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I've said it before, but removing most first party apps from the OS in favor of independent updates would be a welcome change for me. Something as simple as mail categories could be added much quicker in a standalone mail pipeline. Let alone the ability for me to uninstall Mail.app if it weren't tied to OS, as I don't use it. Or the multitude of bloat apps, like Stickies from Tiger, effectively replaced over a decade ago with Notes in Mountain Lion.
Agreed. App updates should be independent from OS updates, as it has been on Android since forever. Also, Apple needs to merge some apps in macOS. The Utilities folder feels like the program archive of all the past macOS releases of this millennium. Why do Bluetooth File Exchange or Image Capture need to be their own app? The former should be part of Finder, and the latter can be integrated into Preview.
 
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