Apple Seeds New Beta of OS X Mountain Lion 10.8.1 to Developers

iOrbit

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i want to know if apple is going to solve this bugs that i DO consider serious:

freezing, forcing hard restarts.

i'v experienced the wifi-sleep issue one time atleast.

and the battery issue. mine has been very inconsistent, sometiems it reports more usuable times like 6 hours, other times, with the same settings, its reporting under 3 hours.
 

Hmac

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Problem free, right....I've had multiple kernel panics since the ML install, something I haven't experienced on my Mac Pro in the three years I've been using it. I did finally find that if I use SMC fan control and set all the fans on high, I can miminize the tendency to freezes/panics.
 

kolax

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Problem free, right....I've had multiple kernel panics since the ML install, something I haven't experienced on my Mac Pro in the three years I've been using it. I did finally find that if I use SMC fan control and set all the fans on high, I can miminize the tendency to freezes/panics.
Sounds hardware related. Maybe your fans are clogged up with crap, and it was just coincidence that installing ML was the same time you got a string of kernel panics.

Resit your RAM, clean the fans if the temperature is unusually high for idle activity.
 

Risco

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Problem free, right....I've had multiple kernel panics since the ML install, something I haven't experienced on my Mac Pro in the three years I've been using it. I did finally find that if I use SMC fan control and set all the fans on high, I can miminize the tendency to freezes/panics.
Have you ever considered there might be something wrong with your hardware?
 

darkplanets

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Or thirdparty software like Paralells, LittleSnitch and all the crap that relies on kernel extensions.
This is the most likely culprit, since it appears like a lot of third party software has some minor issues with ML. As I said before it's running well on a rMBP with a few minor issues -- must be your hardware or something you have installed.
 

50548

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As already indicated above. YOU'VE NEVER INSTALLED ML. So you have no first hand experience. Also this seed of 10.8.1 is a BETA and liable to change, so more may be fixed before it is released to the public. I'm getting really frustrated with you calling something you've never even used a "train wreck". ML 10.8.0 is superior to Lion in most respects. There are a few MINOR bugs.

Indeed it is one of the most stable 10.x.0 releases I've ever seen.

Also from a UI point of view, Exposé is back (via an option in system preferences). Thus restoring workflows that people had used from Panther, but lost in Lion.

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I do not have to jump off a cliff if I already know that people have lost their lives doing so...likewise with ML. In any case, I have never said I would not use it - I just don't agree with the general iOSification but recognize that there isn't much one can do in terms of moving forward compatibility-wise.

And yes: I have already bought it and am just deciding when to install it. But don't tell me that this TINY delta update is suddenly gonna grow to 700MB and deal with a lot more than just battery and TB issues - it's NEVER happened before. What you see in the first beta release to developers is normally the same or similar size of what you get with the public release.
 

Kariya

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Install the OS and see for yourself if it really is that terrible instead of complaining for the sake of complaining.

As it stands you're just whining and whining...and its quite annoying to read in every other thread one comes across.
 

GIZBUG

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Running this latest beta of 10.8.1 on my macbook air.
only issue is that when returning from sleep, takes a little while for the TIME to correct, and takes too much time before I can enter my password. THought with SSD drive when I wake up from sleep, i could immediately enter my password. Not the case, have to wait maybe 10 seconds...
 

Hmac

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Have you ever considered there might be something wrong with your hardware?
Or thirdparty software like Paralells, LittleSnitch and all the crap that relies on kernel extensions.
Sure. But it's the same hardware and software that ran fine under Lion. It was a simple migration. No Parallels (I run Windows 7 via Boot Camp).

Resetting the PRAM, reseating the RAM, reseating the video card and applying a big-ass vacuum through the insides did nothing. Only new item in the whole setup was Mountain Lion.

ETA:

Now that you mention it, after the ML install, I recall a warning that SnapZ-ProX probably wasn't compatible and it was disabling it. It didn't, and it's still active in the log-in folder. I just disabled it and restarted...now I'll run some video and see what happens.
 
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Steve.P.JobsFan

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Mountain Lion has been working just fine on my iMac. I haven't had any of the issues people are reporting. Except, sometimes opening Chrome will cause the entire system to lock up, and I have to perform a hard reboot. I'm assuming that's an issue on Google's end, not Apple's. Other than that, ML has been just as stable as Lion was, if not a little bit more. At least for me.
 

Ajones330

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Biggest issue for me is iPhoto. Ever since the update before the release of ML it lags so bad and just unresponsive at times. Hope they take care of it soon.
 

cjmillsnun

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I do not have to jump off a cliff if I already know that people have lost their lives doing so...likewise with ML. In any case, I have never said I would not use it - I just don't agree with the general iOSification but recognize that there isn't much one can do in terms of moving forward compatibility-wise.

And yes: I have already bought it and am just deciding when to install it. But don't tell me that this TINY delta update is suddenly gonna grow to 700MB and deal with a lot more than just battery and TB issues - it's NEVER happened before. What you see in the first beta release to developers is normally the same or similar size of what you get with the public release.
But you call it a train wreck. I would advise that Lion is worse even at 10.7.5. However I can understand your apprehension at installing a new os on a production machine.

But to be fair, ML is no more iOSified than Lion. If gatekeeper restricted you to App Store apps only and you couldn't change that I would agree with you, but a simple change in system preferences allows you to turn it off completely (thankfully)

Also a 10.x.1 release will always be a small delta update. There is no need for a combo update as the previous version is the initial release.
 

fat jez

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But to be fair, ML is no more iOSified than Lion. If gatekeeper restricted you to App Store apps only and you couldn't change that I would agree with you, but a simple change in system preferences allows you to turn it off completely (thankfully)
Or indeed, without disabling Gatekeep, just right click on the App that isn't certified and select open. You'll get the standard internet-downloaded app warning, but if you OK that you can then launch the app without the need to lower the Gatekeeper settings. You only need to do this once, subsequent launches will work as normal.
 

jabbawok

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And people CONTINUE to spout the same nonsense about the purported advantages of a "clean install" - for every five positive reports, I can show you five OTHER reports in these forums from users who have the same if not worse problems AFTER a clean install.

So let's stop with this placebo recipe, shall we
I've been an I.T. administrator for many years now and I can say with a great deal of certanty that it is not a placebo solution. While I agree, somtimes upgrade installs are fine and have no negative connotations, The benafits of a clean install are well worth the effort. If nothing else they force you to ditch a load of crap you dont use that has been cluttering up your machine.
In the past I have had issues with all sorts of things, such as keychans getting screwed up, folder permissions on application preferances and just inexplicable poor-performanec.

Keep your stuff organized and a clean install is a doodle.
 

macpeach55

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Sure. But it's the same hardware and software that ran fine under Lion. It was a simple migration. No Parallels (I run Windows 7 via Boot Camp).

Resetting the PRAM, reseating the RAM, reseating the video card and applying a big-ass vacuum through the insides did nothing. Only new item in the whole setup was Mountain Lion.

ETA:

Now that you mention it, after the ML install, I recall a warning that SnapZ-ProX probably wasn't compatible and it was disabling it. It didn't, and it's still active in the log-in folder. I just disabled it and restarted...now I'll run some video and see what happens.
It seems ML is not very good at disabling programs it considers not compatible. I had a similar problem with an app that it said it was disabling after the upgrade. I did not need the app any longer so I uninstalled it, but it still popped up at every restart asking to complete installation! Simply removing the version/part/whatever of it that was in the incompatible software folder finally got rid of it!
 

Truffy

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I just don't agree with the general iOSification but recognize that there isn't much one can do in terms of moving forward compatibility-wise.
I agree. The thing that irritated me most about Lion (other than the naff GUI changes to iCal, Address Book, and Mail) was the fact that gestures have been totally screwed. Everything's backwards :mad:

That's why I updated from Lion back to SL. But you can't stay on unsupported legacy OSes these days.
only issue is that when returning from sleep, takes a little while for the TIME to correct, and takes too much time before I can enter my password.
I'm finding that the OD takes a while to become available for log in (this is on both a MBA over wifi and a MacMini over ethernet). But other than that it seems fine (not really investigated battery life on the MBA).

And ML Server is both easier and less flexible to administer than SL Server! And they dropped DHCP from the GUI. For the love of the children...WHY? :mad:

What Apple giveth, Apple taketh away! :D
 

kodeman53

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I've been an I.T. administrator for many years now and I can say with a great deal of certanty that it is not a placebo solution. While I agree, somtimes upgrade installs are fine and have no negative connotations, The benafits of a clean install are well worth the effort. If nothing else they force you to ditch a load of crap you dont use that has been cluttering up your machine.
In the past I have had issues with all sorts of things, such as keychans getting screwed up, folder permissions on application preferances and just inexplicable poor-performanec.

Keep your stuff organized and a clean install is a doodle.
As an IT Administrator, if the machines you manage are getting loaded up with crap, you're not doing your job.
 

Maniraja

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Battery Life

Fingers crossed the battery life issue is addressed. My 2011 MacAir dropped to half the battery life as soon as Mountain Lion was downloaded. Odd how it doesn't seem to affect all machines and even read some have seen an improvement.
 

enzos

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iPhoto troubles

Biggest issue for me is iPhoto. Ever since the update before the release of ML it lags so bad and just unresponsive at times. Hope they take care of it soon.
Interesting, I've found iPhoto and Aperture to be noticeably faster since the upgrade. Have you tried command-option opening iPhoto and trying the rebuild options? The way these two programs can now open and edit each others libraries has added a lot of value for me. Enz
 

milo

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As hinted above, it seems like 10.8.1 fixes absolutely NOTHING...
As you've said, you haven't even used ML which makes anything you have to say on the topic worthless.

Spare us the trolling already.
 

MrNomNoms

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Upgrade. I'm contemplating doing a clean install but hear mixed results. I'm hoping the .1 release fixes this issue along with my severe scrolling lag.
I did a clean install - it isn't the 'cure all' that'll solve all problems but at least it'll reduce the surface area in which bugs could arise. From what it appears 10.8.1 seems to be a bit of a measly update but I'm hoping that maybe a decent size update will be out by the end of this year that address bugs that are less crucial but still annoying.
 

Hmac

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It seems ML is not very good at disabling programs it considers not compatible. I had a similar problem with an app that it said it was disabling after the upgrade. I did not need the app any longer so I uninstalled it, but it still popped up at every restart asking to complete installation! Simply removing the version/part/whatever of it that was in the incompatible software folder finally got rid of it!
That wasn't the problem. After disabling all of my login items, it still crashes. Only thing I've found tha kep that from happening is to have the fans turned all the way up.