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I'm mostly looking forward to the VPN fixes (mostly affects you if you are trying to use this feature in Server). I see now that some people are reporting workarounds involving copying a file from Mountain Lion; alas, I upgraded both of my Macs to Mavericks before that was discovered.

This was mentioned in previous release notes, so hopefully it's still something they're claiming to (better: actually) fix.
 
Lets fix some basic stability issues.

Have seen a friend's iMac become so unstable after running Mavericks for a week, that she had to revert back to Lion. Thankfully TM worked and she was able to revert relatively painlessly back to 10.7.5.
 
What surprises me is how long it takes for them to release an update that by the sounds of it doesn't do anything. I didn't switch to Apple so I could use Gmail, if I wanted to use Gmail I will switch back to android and windows.
 
That doesn't exist anymore. It's not in the final released version of 10.9, so if you've done a clean install, it won't be there.

I wasn't talking about the standard current version of 10.9 I was speaking to the developers that have the current beta to report properly the bugs that they find in the new 10.9.1 BETA!!! So please look at the whole thread (even the thread title) before commenting like this.
 
I wasn't talking about the standard current version of 10.9 I was speaking to the developers that have the current beta to report properly the bugs that they find in the new 10.9.1 BETA!!! So please look at the whole thread (even the thread title) before commenting like this.

I know you are. I was explaining that it's not there for people (like me) with developer accounts in 10.9.1. (Read my post before jumping down my throat!) There is no Feedback Assistant for developers in 10.9.1, nor is it available to download. http://bugreport.apple.com is how developers report bugs.
 
Yes there is in the BETAS!

No, there isn't. I'm running one now. My earlier post explained why you may have the Feedback Assistant, but in the late 10.9 developer previews, and in the release 10.9, and in the builds of 10.9.1 I get through the developer portal, there's no Feedback Assistant whatsoever. In any case, it was only to be used by members of the Appleseed program, which is not the same as the Apple Developer Program.
Look here for information about the Feedback Assistant. http://fairerplatform.com/2013/08/os-x-10-9-13a538g-includes-ibooks-iphoto-betas/
 
re: those people in the 7.1 beta 2 thread claiming that ALL Apple employees/developers had this entire week off for vacation... :rolleyes:
 
No, there isn't. I'm running one now. My earlier post explained why you may have the Feedback Assistant, but in the late 10.9 developer previews, and in the release 10.9, and in the builds of 10.9.1 I get through the developer portal, there's no Feedback Assistant whatsoever. In any case, it was only to be used by members of the Appleseed program, which is not the same as the Apple Developer Program.
Look here for information about the Feedback Assistant. http://fairerplatform.com/2013/08/os-x-10-9-13a538g-includes-ibooks-iphoto-betas/

Then you are running a cracked version! The official release has it in there and AppleSeed pointed out to use that to report bugs in their first 10.9.1 beta release like every other previous beta programs.
 
Then you are running a cracked version! The official release has it in there and AppleSeed pointed out to use that to report bugs in their first 10.9.1 beta release like every other previous beta programs.

No, this is not a cracked OS. You're not understanding that there are 2 different programs:
Appleseed
Apple Developer program.
 
Most roles are highly specialized, and not interchangable, not even within the same product team. So someone working on the emojis could not just quickly be thrown to work on memory management and file systems, without familiarizing them to those parts of the system. It would take time and resources to train them, and that would not help getting bug fixes out any quicker.

Having someone fix a bug in the part of the system they are specialized in, is not going to slow down the improvement in other areas.

I don't think I would want anyone working on emojis going anywhere near memory management... Not dissing any emoji developers; these are just very different specializations. Would I want a memory management specialist working on emojis? I don't think so ;-). or is that ;)?
 
Then you are running a cracked version! The official release has it in there and AppleSeed pointed out to use that to report bugs in their first 10.9.1 beta release like every other previous beta programs.

You are quite uninformed. No 10.9.1 DP had Feedback Assistant installed on my devices.

Also, you don't seem to know what cracking is. OS X has no protection.
 
Then you are running a cracked version! The official release has it in there and AppleSeed pointed out to use that to report bugs in their first 10.9.1 beta release like every other previous beta programs.

AppleSeed =! Developer

The Feedback Assistant in Mavericks DP was for AppleSeed members, and was only included in some DP versions. The utility was required, because AppleSeed members don't have access to the developer forum. It was removed from GM, but is still available separately for AppleSeed members.

Like chrfr already explained, if you still have Feedback Assistant, it's because you have upgraded from a Mavericks Developer/AppleSeed/warez version to GM. Clean installs don't have the utility, even if you are a developer.
 
AppleSeed =! Developer

The Feedback Assistant in Mavericks DP was for AppleSeed members, and was only included in some DP versions. The utility was required, because AppleSeed members don't have access to the developer forum. It was removed from GM, but is still available separately for AppleSeed members.

Like chrfr already explained, if you still have Feedback Assistant, it's because you have upgraded from a Mavericks Developer/AppleSeed/warez version to GM. Clean installs don't have the utility, even if you are a developer.

Oh Really it came from Apple and is not warez: https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/downloads/projects/1000715/downloads. If you follow the link and log in with your Developer ID you can download the Feedback Assistant.

Plus I got the beta and updates through the Apple App Store!
 
I didn't switch to Apple so I could use Gmail, if I wanted to use Gmail I will switch back to android and windows.

I don't choose my operating system based on what e-mail service I'm using, and neither should you. Gmail has an IMAP implementation which should be usable in any IMAP client. Yes, Google does some weird things with it--mostly using IMAP folders to represent Gmail labels instead of using IMAP tags, which may cause multiple downloads of identical messages, inaccurate "unread" counts, and so on, but I've never seen any mail client as messed up as Mail.app is in 10.9. I'm glad Apple is (supposedly) fixing this.
 
Oh Really it came from Apple and is not warez: https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/downloads/projects/1000715/downloads. If you follow the link and log in with your Developer ID you can download the Feedback Assistant.

Plus I got the beta and updates through the Apple App Store!
Like everyone keeps saying to you: the Appleseed program and the paid Developer program are not the same thing. Paid developers do not have access to the Appleseed site and do not have the Feedback assistant available to them.
Appleseed members get free access to prerelease software; paid developers pay $99/year to get that access, and also to be able to submit apps to the App Store.
 
I don't choose my operating system based on what e-mail service I'm using, and neither should you. Gmail has an IMAP implementation which should be usable in any IMAP client. Yes, Google does some weird things with it--mostly using IMAP folders to represent Gmail labels instead of using IMAP tags, which may cause multiple downloads of identical messages, inaccurate "unread" counts, and so on, but I've never seen any mail client as messed up as Mail.app is in 10.9. I'm glad Apple is (supposedly) fixing this.

Well your right I just didn't like using Googles app for email and don't like waiting to receive messages. Ya my posted sounded a little off to put it politely.
 
Oh Really it came from Apple and is not warez: https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/downloads/projects/1000715/downloads. If you follow the link and log in with your Developer ID you can download the Feedback Assistant.

Plus I got the beta and updates through the Apple App Store!

Unless you've received an AppleSeed invitation code by email, you can not access the site.

Entering the AppleSeed site requires, that you are an AppleSeed member. You can only become a member through invitation. Congratulations if you've been selected, the "normal" developers can not access that site.

This is how it looks to the rest of us after entering AppleID:
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Once again: AppleSeed =! Developer program

BTW, if you are an AppleSeed member, you are probably violating your NDA discussing this.
 
Are you also confused, that Apple has people working on any other software products, marketing, hardware design and customer support, and people doing gardening and catering, all the while there are bugs in OS X that need to get fixed?

Most roles are highly specialized, and not interchangable, not even within the same product team. So someone working on the emojis could not just quickly be thrown to work on memory management and file systems, without familiarizing them to those parts of the system. It would take time and resources to train them, and that would not help getting bug fixes out any quicker.

Having someone fix a bug in the part of the system they are specialized in, is not going to slow down the improvement in other areas.

Exactly. See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks'_law

Brooks's law is a principle in software development which says that "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later". It was coined by Fred Brooks in his 1975 book The Mythical Man-Month. The corollary of Brooks's Law is that there is an incremental person who, when added to a project, makes it take more, not less time. Brooks adds that "Nine women can't make a baby in one month".
 
This is mostly correct.

Except for Puma.

10.1 was released September 25, 2001 and 10.1.1 was released November 12, 2001.

So we have a few days left before mavericks beats puma for the longest .1 release time.

Going all the way back to 10.0.0 and 10.0.1, this is the longest time ever between a 10.x.0 release and the 10.x.1 release.

I suppose this means they had a lot of bugs to fix. I know I have had nothing but trouble since "updating" to 10.9. I keep holding off reverting to Mountain Lion, thinking the update will be any day now...
 
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