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Apple Seeds OS X Mavericks 10.9.5 Build 13F31 to Developers

I have never had a problem with mac, and I've been using mac's since my original e-mac. I have never seen any errors and everything has always always always been rock solid. My newest piece of hardware is my little Mac mini late 2012 with the core i5. Just like people say that hardware is outdated. If you compare what you get for the price of the mac mini I just got to Windows computers...you get complete crap in the windows computer and my Mac mini is fast as **** compared to them. I think some people just like complaining about stuff. I love Mac and I doubt that will ever change.
 
crashoverride77 said:
Because some people want new features, better security and a general better user experience not every 3-4 years. Mavericks was pretty awesome right out of the box. I personally would hate if they release an os every 3 years. Osx is like ios now, free upgrades every year and Me and the majority of people love that.

Besides that I never understand the major trouble people have with upgrading osx it's so easy and 99/100 times it never messes up anything, especially compared to windows.
In your world progress would be very slow. Also people love to complain about tiny bugs here and there and apple is loosing its way BLABLABLA. Imagine they would only upgrade every 4 years, people would be like apple is lazy, where are the features, osx is so old, apple doesn't care about osx BLABLABLA.
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You make some pretty good points. Especially about the frequent upgrades at least being free. And yeah, I agree, 3 years is too long a time. 2 years at least would seem to be a sweet spot. Long enough to get used to apps before the next upgrade voids most of them.
 
Eithanius said:
3-4 years...? Where did you get that idea anyway...? The longest OS X iterations has been 10.4 Tiger for 30 months before Leopard came out (and if you failed math, 30 months is LESS than 3 years)... And Tiger happened to be one of the most stable OS X releases to date with 11 maintenance releases.

And since you've come from the Windows 🙄 world I bet you have not used anything before Mavericks or even before Lion...? It's sad that recent Apple efforts have only attracted Windows users like you to OS X just to heap praises around how superior Mavericks is to Windows. Well let me tell you something - every OS X releases prior to Lion is way much better than what you think you now have. Useless features like Full Screen crap and Window Resizing from every other corner is just another Windows-copied-over features, which I think don't even qualify as features.

IMO the last major features ever introduced by Apple enough to wow the crowd would probably be Leopard. Snow Leopard, though without major features, was the high point release that some people here are still using - stability and efficiency. Anything beyond that are craps just to lure Windows losers over for a bigger market share.

Right now I find more tiny bugs on Mavericks than in Snow Leopard. Granted Mavericks will only have 5 maintenance releases with the upcoming 10.9.5 soon, compared to Snow Leopard with 8. If Mavericks is to be given a chance for 8, it would have been equal if not coming close to the latter's performance and stability.

This is something that you WILL NOT understand... 🙄
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Apparently you did not read the whole thread. I responded to people that made the suggestion osx should only be released every 3-4 years, I never said they actually used to do that.
You also said anything beyond snow leopard was crap, are you serious or just making stuff up as up you go. Continuity alone is better than anything apple has done with osx over the last few years.
Mavericks was/is awesome just for all the power management stuff. You also mentioned performance, something that osx lost along the way and didn't come back until mavericks.
You are deusional to say osx was better before lion than it is now, I mean seriously. Maybe you should use specific example instead of just making stupid comments like a 12 year old.
Also I have used osx since lion, but apparently you know everything.
People like you is something that I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND
 
crashoverride77 said:
Apparently you did not read the whole thread. I responded to people that made the suggestion osx should only be released every 3-4 years, I never said they actually used to do that.
You also said anything beyond snow leopard was crap, are you serious or just making stuff up as up you go. Continuity alone is better than anything apple has done with osx over the last few years.
Mavericks was/is awesome just for all the power management stuff. You also mentioned performance, something that osx lost along the way and didn't come back until mavericks.
You are deusional to say osx was better before lion than it is now, I mean seriously. Maybe you should use specific example instead of just making stupid comments like a 12 year old.
Also I have used osx since lion, but apparently you know everything.
People like you is something that I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND
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Lion...??? 😱 You gotta me kidding me... That explains your ignorance... 🙄🙄🙄
 
Eithanius said:
Lion...??? 😱 You gotta me kidding me... That explains your ignorance... 🙄🙄🙄
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My ignorance to what, the dinosaurs that think osx 5 years ago was better than now? please at least state some examples instead of your nonsense like windows resize this and full screen than. It didn't take a year to iron out mavericks bugs what are you smoking. Apart from mail and WLAN issues mavericks was awesome.
Enjoy your old power hungry os with no features while I enjoy my 10 hour battery life, faster os and cloud sync with ios, never mind all the new features that have come along with it. You probably think ios 4 is better than 7.
Are you kidding me. You think you some osx connoisseur because you have used it longer then I have. Please stay on your outdated os and leave tech progress for people that appreciate it. Hope your happy with your leopard or snow leopard version from 4 years ago while I be rocking yosemite very soon. Windows XP says hello
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crashoverride77 said:
My ignorance to what, the dinosaurs that think osx 5 years ago was better than now? please at least state some examples instead of your nonsense like windows resize this and full screen than. It didn't take a year to iron out mavericks bugs what are you smoking. Apart from mail and WLAN issues mavericks was awesome.
Enjoy your old power hungry os with no features while I enjoy my 10 hour battery life, faster os and cloud sync with ios, never mind all the new features that have come along with it. You probably think ios 4 is better than 7.
Are you kidding me. You think you some osx connoisseur because you have used it longer then I have. Please stay on your outdated os and leave tech progress for people that appreciate it. Hope your happy with your leopard or snow leopard version from 4 years ago while I be rocking yosemite very soon. Windows XP says hello
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And you think I should entertain you by highlighting all the bugs on Mavericks...? 😱

I'd better waste my time with the Apple Bug Reporter than with you. Sadly Apple has reached the point that minor bugs got left out while hurriedly rushing new "bug-ridden features" for Windows losers like you is already a sign Apple doesn't give a damn about a close-to-perfect OS X anymore.

And since you have not used Snow Leopard and versions prior, then you have not experienced the truly "Think Different" approach of an operating system. Sad case for you then. I would truly appreciate the stability and efficiency of Snow Leopard coupled with the so-called features of Mavericks and Yosemite, now that's a perfect OS X. Until then, Yosemite is just another Windows 7 in disguise...

However if you still can't swallow the bits and pieces of what I've strewn all over your head, then it's too bad for you as well... 🙄
 
Eithanius said:
And you think I should entertain you by highlighting all the bugs on Mavericks...? 😱

I'd better waste my time with the Apple Bug Reporter than with you. Sadly Apple has reached the point that minor bugs got left out while hurriedly rushing new "bug-ridden features" for Windows losers like you is already a sign Apple doesn't give a damn about a close-to-perfect OS X anymore.

And since you have not used Snow Leopard and versions prior, then you have not experienced the truly "Think Different" approach of an operating system. Sad case for you then. I would truly appreciate the stability and efficiency of Snow Leopard coupled with the so-called features of Mavericks and Yosemite, now that's a perfect OS X. Until then, Yosemite is just another Windows 7 in disguise...

However if you still can't swallow the bits and pieces of what I've strewn all over your head, then it's too bad for you as well... 🙄
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I have to agree, sadly. The main new 'features' I see are not for the users, but to increase Apple's revenue stream. It used to be that the big features were better, more intuitive file systems, better ways to work with the interface, etc. Now it's just some new store app that sells something that Apple makes a percentage of. It seems most users (that Apple targets) now just use Safari, Facebook, play games, buy junk online and don't actually make anything.

I feel we are just cattle to most tech companies at this point.
 
jjhny said:
I have to agree, sadly. The main new 'features' I see are not for the users, but to increase Apple's revenue stream. It used to be that the big features were better, more intuitive file systems, better ways to work with the interface, etc. Now it's just some new store app that sells something that Apple makes a percentage of. It seems most users (that Apple targets) now just use Safari, Facebook, play games, buy junk online and don't actually make anything.

I feel we are just cattle to most tech companies at this point.
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No, it just means that OS X is mature now. So you won't see features like Expose on every new release.
 
iBug2 said:
No, it just means that OS X is mature now. So you won't see features like Expose on every new release.
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What I'm afraid of is maturity leading to stagnation. What's interesting is that there are all sorts of interface designs possible - now I'm not saying I like them better than OSX, but the Steve Jobs era of pushing limits is over. Now it's Tim Cook, full corporate monetize time - nice for stockholders (short term), not great for users, or stockholders, in the long run.

For example - Jef Raskin one of the early Mac interface guys is doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44u0OFWVt0s

Also this crazy stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhLejlWS_ug
 
jjhny said:
What I'm afraid of is maturity leading to stagnation. What's interesting is that there are all sorts of interface designs possible - now I'm not saying I like them better than OSX, but the Steve Jobs era of pushing limits is over. Now it's Tim Cook, full corporate monetize time - nice for stockholders (short term), not great for users, or stockholders, in the long run.

For example - Jef Raskin one of the early Mac interface guys is doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44u0OFWVt0s

Also this crazy stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhLejlWS_ug
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No, there have been tremendous amount of work done on OS X since Leopard, just that the new features are not eye popping like before. So there's no stagnation, just maturity. Then again, I'd say Handoff will be the most amazing feature we had for some time when Yosemite comes. So I'm pretty excited about that.

And if you follow the Apple and AAPL, Cook certainly seems as uninterested in the stock as Jobs was.
 
Eithanius said:
And you think I should entertain you by highlighting all the bugs on Mavericks...? 😱

I'd better waste my time with the Apple Bug Reporter than with you. Sadly Apple has reached the point that minor bugs got left out while hurriedly rushing new "bug-ridden features" for Windows losers like you is already a sign Apple doesn't give a damn about a close-to-perfect OS X anymore.

And since you have not used Snow Leopard and versions prior, then you have not experienced the truly "Think Different" approach of an operating system. Sad case for you then. I would truly appreciate the stability and efficiency of Snow Leopard coupled with the so-called features of Mavericks and Yosemite, now that's a perfect OS X. Until then, Yosemite is just another Windows 7 in disguise...

However if you still can't swallow the bits and pieces of what I've strewn all over your head, then it's too bad for you as well... 🙄
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Why do you keep calling me a windows looser, I hate windows. If you really think snow leopard was efficient than I just feel sorry for you. And the so called features apple introduced in mavericks and yosemite are the best they have done in a while and are nowhere to be seen in snow leopard. If for you the best features of osx are time machine, spaces and dashboard than I feel even more sorry for you.
Apple is thinking different now not 5 years ago. You also said windows 7 is terrible I mean are you just going bananas. Win 7 is the best os from Microsoft.
You not strewn anything in my head beacause you have no arguments, you just ramble.
Enjoy your ancient os and leave progress for the big boys.
 
I just wonder if Yosemite will fix things or break some more.

There are at least three minor bugs that have been in Mavericks from 10.9 and are still present in 10.9.4:
  1. You cannot scroll in Calendar app with any mouse that isn't by chance Magic Mouse.
  2. Portrait picture's adjustments are broken in Contacts app. As soon as you adjust everything it gets synced with iCloud and misaligned. The only viable solution is uploading and adjusting portrait pictures via Contacts web app.
  3. While in Launchpad, cursor tends to switch accordingly to what's underneath Launchpad (text cursor, hand cursor etc.).
These are all minor and I've confirmed that I'm not the only person affected. It's not all that problematic, but I've been reassured before switching to Apple, that they take care of EVERY little detail.

PS.: Search box in Launchpad is sometimes unclickable until reboot. When it happened at Apple Certified Reseller's they told me their notebooks are running different, "demo" version of OS X that is buggy. 🙂
 
they probably did, but have you seen they are turning the mac into a phone. don't hate me here but don't you think windows is doing significant updates while apple is doing minor updates. for instance the windows 7 and windows 8 and soon windows 9. Apple has mountain lion, mavericks, yosemite. Whats the difference on the mac updates. on windows there are huge updates.
 
Question, If you install the Mavericks beta will you still get the final update when it gets released?
 
di1in said:
Did they forget about this after the Apple event? No updates and it's been two weeks.
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Natzoo said:
they probably did[…]
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You people can’t be serious about Apple "forgetting".

I haven’t seen it reported here on MacRumors but German site [URL="http://www.mactechnews.de/news/article/OS-X-10-9-5-kurz-vor-der-Freigabe-159376.html“]MacTechNews has mentioned[/URL] that 10.9.5 has been handed out to Apple Store employees which would suggest 10.9.5 is about to be released.
 
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RobFog said:
I haven’t seen it reported here on MacRummors but German site [URL="http://www.mactechnews.de/news/article/OS-X-10-9-5-kurz-vor-der-Freigabe-159376.html“]MacTechNews has mentioned[/URL] that 10.9.5 has been handed out to Apple Store employees which would suggest 10.9.5 is about to be released.
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Sad news indeed... 🙁
 
RobFog said:
I haven’t seen it reported here on MacRummors but German site [URL="http://www.mactechnews.de/news/article/OS-X-10-9-5-kurz-vor-der-Freigabe-159376.html“]MacTechNews has mentioned[/URL] that 10.9.5 has been handed out to Apple Store employees which would suggest 10.9.5 is about to be released.
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That would be because you didn't read my post: https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=19722063 which has been online now several hours before you posted this.
 
So when the Final release of 10.9.5 gets released will the people that installed the beta get the final ?
 
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