Its an option, you don't need to use it, as long as its user initiated process, its fine
There is a lot stuff safari need to improve, its better or more effective if you file a feedback about something you would really like to be improved.
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There is a lot stuff safari need to improve, its better or more effective if you file a feedback about something you would really like to be improved.
I love the latest Webkit, I am using it right now. JS is BLAZING fast on this browser and it gets a 100% on the Acid3 test, Safari 3.1 only got 75 and FF 2 got only 55.
Now if only Adobe could fix flash or it was gotten rid from the internet, life would be grand.
And I don't have any problems with memory leaks in Safari, I did have lots in FireFox though.
Now if only Adobe could fix flash or it was gotten rid from the internet, life would be grand.
And I don't have any problems with memory leaks in Safari, I did have lots in FireFox though.
Both of my Macs have memory leak in Safari under both Tiger and Leopard (didn't check in earlier OSes, but I didn't have unlimited DSL back then so surfing time was very limited).
On MacBook for example, I open Safari in the morning and by the end of the day it takes 250-300 MB RAM. Thats insane for a mere web browser!
I hope they do. I'm sick of this "light gray on darker gray" crap that both Safari and the OS X UI uses.
Awesome news that Safari 4 is already under development. I'm assuming it's competing with Firefox 3, which has shown amazing changes.
Squirrelfish+webkit+ AMAZING
Installed on my macbook running leopard, and imac g3 running tiger and worked amazing. I can finally use the imac comfortably to browse the web. I would have enough paid to get that imac internet useful again. I almost spent 70 bucks on more ram for an old computer. Amazing!
Installed on my macbook running leopard, and imac g3 running tiger and worked amazing. I can finally use the imac comfortably to browse the web. I would have enough paid to get that imac internet useful again. I almost spent 70 bucks on more ram for an old computer. Amazing!
That's not a memory leak; just the amount of ram Safari uses. It's always been like that.
On launch it takes like 50 MB and still works the same as after taking 300 MB. If thats not a memory leak, I don't know what it is.
Mail doesn't, Aduim doesn't, Address Book doesn't, iSync doesn't, iCal doesn't, Dictionary doesn't, Word doesn't, Pages doesn't, Handbrake doesn't, iTunes doesn't, Toast doesn't, Motion doesn't, Final Cut Pro doesn't....... to name just a few.
What is your definition of a memory leak?
Yes they do. The Dock even does. They don't reach 300 for me, but all use significantly more than they do at launch. It's normal ram usage.
Safari taking up 300MB is nothing. It's simply using the ram that is available. Now if it's pushing a gig after several hours of usage, then you have a problem. In that instance, chances are something else is affecting it.
Uhh I could understand that if Safari used all that space when it has many pages/tabs open, but why it wouldn't let this RAM go if I close them? Like apps I've listed do. If I don't close Safari for a week, it'd grow over 1 GB! Don't tell me it's normal for a web browser! Even Aperture uses less for light work!
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Forgive me for not knowing the significance of this, but please explain what this feature does and why I might need it. Thanks.
Forgive me for not knowing the significance of this, but please explain what this feature does and why I might need it. Thanks.
You can save web based apps as Mac apps. Similar to what Fluid does.
For example, I saved the BBC iPlayer as an application, so I can click it in my dock and it opens straight to the player, separate from my browser.
I find that useful, not only for convenience but because sometimes I'm watching/listening to something while I'm surfing the web and then I quit my browser (or it crashes) and I find that I have cut-off what I was watching/listening too. Having some items as separate apps can avoid this sort of problem. I'm sure there are other handy uses (for mail, maps, online docs etc) and perhaps there might even be customizable options in the future (adding preferences and whatnot).
I'd imagine that some people will find it really useful and others will have no use for it at all (like the dashboard in that respect).
So, for my radio station that I listen to on the internet while at office, that I have to not only have Safari open, but can't be minimized to dock to play content, I can now save the player such that Safari does not need to be open? That would be cool
side note on this subject: I used to be able to add stations that I wanted to listen to to iTunes (been a few years ago now... but I was again trying to do that the other day and could not figure out how to do it)
Sorry for off subject question.......
To be fair, Fluid is much better, because Fluid created apps can be customized and made into menulets etc.
But how is it an "Application"?
It's just a cut down version of Safari that doesn't say Safari in the menu bar.
How is actually helpful?
To the person who uses iPlayer as a web app? How is it not just a Safari window that says "iPlayer" in the menu bar? What makes it an actual application?
It's just a cut down version of Safari that doesn't say Safari in the menu bar.
How is actually helpful?
To the person who uses iPlayer as a web app? How is it not just a Safari window that says "iPlayer" in the menu bar? What makes it an actual application?
If it were a Safari window then when I quit Safari (or Safari crashed) it would also quit, but it doesn't, because it's a separate app. I suppose it's like a mini Safari that runs separately, but it's a similar ethos to the Dashboard. Anything in the Dashboard can be found through Safari too, but some people find Widgets quick and convenient none the less (others do not).
With Fluid I've managed in about a minute to make a menulet for BBC Radio, with customized size and transparency, that launches at startup so I can just click the menulet to reveal the radio player and choose channels, shows etc. This is more convenient for me when working than having it in a Safari window. I'm sure there are other uses but they will depend on a users needs (Google apps are popular I hear). The Safari version is more basic than Fluid, but I'm sure more customizable options will be developed by third parties.
Like I said. Some people will find these things useful and others will not, Like with the Dashboard (which are more often than not just little customized web apps anyway).
Here's what I _guess_ is happening...
Apple has been working with a new compiler technology called LLVM. According to most of the comments I've seen about it, LLVM is "radically better" than gcc when it comes to generating code. However, it still uses the existing gcc "front end" compiler to read the code and parse it, before handing it off to the LLVM system to turn it into source code.
What this means is that LLVM can be used to compile Cocoa, and when you do, it gets much smaller and faster. Like "presto". Of course, you need to make sure the compiler tool-chain actually does what it says, and that takes a lot of hard work and a whole lot of testing. Every time you find a bug in the chain you have to fix it and then re-compile everything and test it all over again. Since it's the compiler it touches every single piece of code on the system, there's no simple way to isolate the changes.
But if you do go through with all the effort, you end up with a platform that works better. Everything works better. But it takes a lot of time to make sure you get it right, especially with a project like LLVM that hasn't seen the same sort of wide-scale use (and thus testing) that GCC has. Maybe it will take an entire year to get it right...
Combine that with general tweaks and cleanup, zfs and a new QuickTime and you've got one hell of an OS. I don't know about you, but for me the number one feature of an OS is stability, followed closely by performance. Everything else I can do with 3rd party applications (assuming they exist and work well, so no, I don't run Linux). If Snow Leopard is significantly better in these regards and I can boot off of zfs, I'll be lined up to buy it, and I would recommend the same to anyone.
Maury
As I said, JS tight-loops in one window no longer "lock up" other windows. It's a seriously major improvement. AND it's faster.
Maury
Safari "apps"
I might have some examples of where this would come in VERY handy. These are business examples but you can come up with your own non business ones if you want.
Where I work we have more and more web based in house apps. Meaning ones that the company itself writes for itself instead of buying third party apps.
As examples, our call center uses several web based apps. One for each of the different five password reset programs that we have. One for the call tracking software. One for the alert software for call tracking when a ticket has been assigned to their queue, one for seeing how many calls are in their group's queue waiting to be answered. Those are just some of the web based apps they use.
Current web browsers have no clue if they are running an app or a web page that is just a web page. So when you open up different pages it will open up the browser window in the same spot every time for each one of them, causing them to overlap. This is VERY irritating. Especially since they have two, three, or four monitors connected to their one computer and there is a space (individually choose by person) where they want these apps to appear to they can more efficiently take care of any particular call and get to the next customer in a polite and professional way.
A much better way would be for each web based app to know where that particular app is supposed to open up so they don't have to re-arrange their desktop each time they have to reboot. In this case we are stuck with Windows but Safari runs on Windows and most of these do not require the piece of #$*&#*$ Active-X controls.
There's an example of why you would want to save certain web pages as apps.
I might have some examples of where this would come in VERY handy. These are business examples but you can come up with your own non business ones if you want.
Where I work we have more and more web based in house apps. Meaning ones that the company itself writes for itself instead of buying third party apps.
As examples, our call center uses several web based apps. One for each of the different five password reset programs that we have. One for the call tracking software. One for the alert software for call tracking when a ticket has been assigned to their queue, one for seeing how many calls are in their group's queue waiting to be answered. Those are just some of the web based apps they use.
Current web browsers have no clue if they are running an app or a web page that is just a web page. So when you open up different pages it will open up the browser window in the same spot every time for each one of them, causing them to overlap. This is VERY irritating. Especially since they have two, three, or four monitors connected to their one computer and there is a space (individually choose by person) where they want these apps to appear to they can more efficiently take care of any particular call and get to the next customer in a polite and professional way.
A much better way would be for each web based app to know where that particular app is supposed to open up so they don't have to re-arrange their desktop each time they have to reboot. In this case we are stuck with Windows but Safari runs on Windows and most of these do not require the piece of #$*&#*$ Active-X controls.
There's an example of why you would want to save certain web pages as apps.