Apple Seeds Safari 5.2 for OS X Lion to Developers

[KALLT]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A405 Safari/7534.48.3)

Is the merged search/address feature optional?

I really dislike searching in the address bar, main reason I don't use Chrome.

Same here. There does not seem to be an option in this version.

I must say, I do not really like the new address bar. The omitted ‘http://' might be more convenient for inexperienced users, but could also give the wrong impression that it is not needed (just as many people think that you always have to put ‘www.’ before each domain). It also seems that it only works with http, not with other protocols (such as https). This might cause additional confusion. Just show the full address, no mistakes possible. I am also not really fond of the fading of parts of the address, to highlight the domain. I am an experienced user and often do rely on these. The grey colour is just too bright in my opinion. It seems that Apple once again nurtures inexperienced users to the detriment of experienced ones. Is it really that hard to add an option?

 

[Drunken Master]

Same here. There does not seem to be an option in this version.

I must say, I do not really like the new address bar. The omitted ‘http://' might be more convenient for inexperienced users, but could also give the wrong impression that it is not needed (just as many people think that you always have to put ‘www.’ before each domain). It also seems that it only works with http, not with other protocols (such as https). This might cause additional confusion. Just show the full address, no mistakes possible. I am also not really fond of the fading of parts of the address, to highlight the domain. I am an experienced user and often do rely on these. The grey colour is just too bright in my opinion. It seems that Apple once again nurtures inexperienced users to the detriment of experienced ones. Is it really that hard to add an option?

Hopefully all of these things are optional.

 

[hamis92]

Actually, if you're just deleting several off the right side, you could just leave your mouse in the corner on the right and the resizing tabs would always have the rightmost X right under your mouse, right?

Edit: Nevermind, the X appears on the left. So the leftmost tabs could always be closed.

That's right. But it's not that often the leftmost tabs I want to close. Today it's so easy to close multible tabs from the middle section of the tab bar.

 

[qap]

For the guys that have already installed the 5.2, you have before removed/reverted the 5.1.4 back to 5.1.3 or straight with installer over the 5.1.4 dev? thanks

 

[MacManiac76]

For the guys that have already installed the 5.2, you have before removed/reverted the 5.1.4 back to 5.1.3 or straight with installer over the 5.1.4 dev? thanks

It installed just fine right over the 5.1.4 dev preview. No need to downgrade before installing 5.2 build.

 

[sazivad]

As an Apple dude, I can't help but realize a lot of these features were pilfered from Chrome. Emphasis on tabs, fading the address beyond the .com (or .org or whatever), and Omnibox functionality.

No idea if any of these Chrome features were in turn pilfered from something else, but still.

 

[elppa]

I remember the Safari 4 Beta. They put the tabs in the right place.

And then they pulled it for the release. I was sad when that happened.

To display the address bar, tab bar and bookmark bar on Safari today takes up more vertical room than on the Safari 4 beta. It was a very space efficient layout.

 

[qap]

It installed just fine right over the 5.1.4 dev preview. No need to downgrade before installing 5.2 build.

Perfect. Thanks for the reply!

Edit: tried it for 15 minutes and it's fast! I hope they have fixed the (many) WebProcess crashes, aka the "spontaneously reloading tabs" (that is not a safari features but a webprocess crash every time). Will see...

 

[drewcosten]

P.S. Who still uses RSS feeds?

Quite a few people. It's the best way to keep up to date on news and blogs (it's how I read all the MacRumors posts). RSS means I don't have to surf to the dozens of sites I follow multiple times a day to check for updates. I check one site (Google Reader), either in a browser or through a Google Reader app, and all the updates are right there. Without RSS I'd be wasting a lot more time than I already do.

 

[qap]

Quite a few people. It's the best way to keep up to date on news and blogs (it's how I read all the MacRumors posts). RSS means I don't have to surf to the dozens of sites I follow multiple times a day to check for updates. I check one site (Google Reader), either in a browser or through a Google Reader app, and all the updates are right there. Without RSS I'd be wasting a lot more time than I already do.

I agree, the problem is not that there isn't the feed in safari, the problem is that you can't open a RSS feed at the moment for what I'm trying to do. You need to copy the link and put it in a new app (I use Reeder).

Other bad thing is the "google search" failure. With the 5.1.4 I can set an hotkey to search with google in a new tab the highlight, now I can't and if the select item is a link the search (cmd-alt-f) integrated doesn't work too. Simply do nothing (I will send a feedback for this thing). But it's veeery fast. These two things are the ony "not good" new features.

Also the reading list and top sites are better (faster). I really don't understand why the RSS feeds are *puff* gone/disappeared.

Also, in the pkg there also new WebKit frameworks and JavaScriptCore (that last causes a lot of crashes in the 5.1), and a new -why?- WebKit.Plugin for the launchagents what could do this autostart service?

 

[vea1083]

Hopefully they release Safari 5.2 for SL...

The only thing that got me interested about OSX Mtn. Lion was the new Safari unified Address/Search Bar. I hope that Snow Leopard users get Safari 5.2 as well, however this seems to be highly remote.

Needless to say, I am very mad at Apple at this time, Lion has been very buggy and unstable for me, I will get random beach balls while in Safari for Lion. As a result of that problem (and many other stability problems with Lion) I had to return to Snow Leopard just 2 short days ago and then this... Apple releases a new version of OSX. This means that I will be forced to upgrade to Lion and "hope" that the graphics compatibility problems are fixed by them so that I can get security updates for my computer (as it is very likely that Apple will stop issuing SL security updates as soon as 10.8 rolls out as a way to force users to upgrade). I think that this new "year-to-year" update schedule for Apple will backfire on them because OSX will be an unstable OS and to get the fixes you'll have to upgrade to the next reference release. Not to mention that $29.99 will add up if this scheme goes on (call me Mr. Scrooge if you want on this, and please don't start the "Windows upgrade costs more" argument).

 

[drewcosten]

Edit: Never mind. I misunderstood the post I responded to.

 

[Saladinos]

There's webm support in Safari 5.2, too (!)

 

[name99]

The only thing that got me interested about OSX Mtn. Lion was the new Safari unified Address/Search Bar. I hope that Snow Leopard users get Safari 5.2 as well, however this seems to be highly remote.

Needless to say, I am very mad at Apple at this time, Lion has been very buggy and unstable for me, I will get random beach balls while in Safari for Lion. As a result of that problem (and many other stability problems with Lion) I had to return to Snow Leopard just 2 short days ago and then this... Apple releases a new version of OSX. This means that I will be forced to upgrade to Lion and "hope" that the graphics compatibility problems are fixed by them so that I can get security updates for my computer (as it is very likely that Apple will stop issuing SL security updates as soon as 10.8 rolls out as a way to force users to upgrade). I think that this new "year-to-year" update schedule for Apple will backfire on them because OSX will be an unstable OS and to get the fixes you'll have to upgrade to the next reference release. Not to mention that $29.99 will add up if this scheme goes on (call me Mr. Scrooge if you want on this, and please don't start the "Windows upgrade costs more" argument).

And how many of these bugs have you reported to Apple?

Here's a hint:
Apple doesn't employ engineers to trawl the internet looking for badly written, close to incoherent posts that vent about how awful OSX is without giving a single concrete example of a problem.
What they DO do is employ engineers to look at well-writte, detailed bug reports, and then fix those bugs.

It's your choice --- you can rant some more about how much you hate Apple, how unjust it is that anyone ever charge you $30 for anything, and how once you have bought a product you deserve support for the rest of your life.
OR you can submit intelligent bug reports to Apple and be part of the solution.

 

[vea1083]

And how many of these bugs have you reported to Apple?

Here's a hint:
Apple doesn't employ engineers to trawl the internet looking for badly written, close to incoherent posts that vent about how awful OSX is without giving a single concrete example of a problem.
What they DO do is employ engineers to look at well-writte, detailed bug reports, and then fix those bugs.

It's your choice --- you can rant some more about how much you hate Apple, how unjust it is that anyone ever charge you $30 for anything, and how once you have bought a product you deserve support for the rest of your life.
OR you can submit intelligent bug reports to Apple and be part of the solution.

You should watch your typing... I am a registered developer at Apple and have done my homework, the other bug reports were sent via their automatic crash report that appears when one application crashes.

Here's a hint to you: Don't label someone a "hater" just because I wrote something you don't want to read.

As for the "support to the rest of your life" argument if you re read the post I did not said that nor implied it. I suggest reading the whole post again and get back to me then.

So now how many bugs have you filed???

BTW, I can send you the whole reports and files if you want to fix them for me.

 

[Patrick J]

I installed 5.2 on Lion and I'm loving it! It's fast and smooth, everything 5.1 should have been!

Loving the unified address bar.

The no-track option has moved from the Develop menu to the Privacy tab in Safari preferences.

 

[hamis92]

I remember the Safari 4 Beta. They put the tabs in the right place.

And then they pulled it for the release. I was sad when that happened.

To display the address bar, tab bar and bookmark bar on Safari today takes up more vertical room than on the Safari 4 beta. It was a very space efficient layout.

Space-efficient, yes. User-friendly, not so much. Because the tab bar and the title bar were combined, reordering tabs was a delicate procedure, given only a small handle in the corner of each tab was reserved for dragging the tab around. If you didn't aim for that little handle, you'd be moving the window around instead of the tab. The distinction between what acts as the title bar and what is the tab UI was not very obvious. I don't know about others but I rearrange my tabs a lot more often than I move the browser window itself.

Chrome has implemented tabs on top in a more usable manner, although it's not as space-efficient as Safari's top tabs implementation was.

 

[Sunday Ironfoot]

HTML5 Improvements

Any word on HTML5/CSS improvements?

Can someone with 5.2 installed run this http://html5test.com/ and tell us what score you got. Thanks!

 

[qap]

Any word on HTML5/CSS improvements?

Can someone with 5.2 installed run this http://html5test.com/ and tell us what score you got. Thanks!

352pt

Another thing: "Edit name" become "Rename bookmark"

 

[Sunday Ironfoot]

352pt
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Nice! Significant improvement over Safari 5.1 with 302 points, and beats Firefox 10.

 

[qap]

Nice! Significant improvement over Safari 5.1 with 302 points, and beats Firefox 10.

I don't trust much at these benchmarks but the "real speed" is significantly improved.

Usually I don't use the dev-beta software in my "daily iMac" but safari 5.1 is so bad that the dev software (like this 5.2) is better, and untill now I get no reload tabs/WebProcess crash. There is hope

 

[SvP]

Mine did some better, i'm not sure where the difference comes from.

 

[qap]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/9A334 Version/5.1 Safari/7534.48.3 com.thinkbitz.browser/2.1.8.0)

Mine did some better, i'm not sure where the difference comes from.

EDIT: Oh you are with 10.8, I'm with 10.7.3 the difference comes from the OS

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Uhm maybe because I have deactivated Java and some other settings, infact the test linked is not a "speed" test but a "features" test, it calculates the features inside the browser engine and it displays the score. If you have something enables the score will go up, i.e. If you enable some hidden Safari features via Debug menu ;-)

Anyway after one day test.... Damn, it's impressive faster than 5.1.3, expecially during the rendering the page, but I think the cause is also the "not search RSS" feature

 

[cocky jeremy]

1) Digging the speed. Much quicker, overall, than past versions. Loading pages, initial load, loading tabs, etc.
2) Hate the huge tabs.
3) Love omnibar being built in.
4) Reader button is a bit too big.
5) "Share sheets" aren't yet included.. *sadface*

 

[qap]

Uh, what a hidden tip You can edit bookmarks in the bar by holding it on mouse click