Apple Seeds Second Beta of Upcoming macOS Catalina 10.15.3 Update to Developers [Update: Public Beta Available]

[Steve121178]

If you have more than 1 user account on your Mac, is the iCloud bug finally fixed that requires constant re-entering of my password when the primary user logs on?

It's infuriating.

 

[Macula]

10.16 betas will be here within 5 months.

Apple's semantic versioning scheme:

10.number_of_major_bugs.months_pending_resolution

 

[ignatius345]

Is keychain bug fixed for Macs bound to AD with mobile accounts and FileVault on?

Is this the bug where iCloud Keychain keeps turning itself off and asking you to re-authenticate? I had that so consistently I eventually went back to Mojave.
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If you have more than 1 user account on your Mac, is the iCloud bug finally fixed that requires constant re-entering of my password when the primary user logs on?

It's infuriating.

Oh is THAT what was causing it? Multiple users? Good god.

 

[ghostface147]

Please stop opening apps that I closed out of when I shutdown my laptop. Only in Catalina. Previous versions didn't have this issue. 2018 MBPro 15.4".

 

[honestone33]

Please stop opening apps that I closed out of when I shutdown my laptop. Only in Catalina. Previous versions didn't have this issue. 2018 MBPro 15.4".

Hmm, maybe that explains a minor issue I previously posted that I am having. At startup, after getting to the Finder, the browser I use, Brave, is launched, even though I completely quit the app before shutting down either of my Macs. But also, it does not happen all the time. Certainly perplexing.

 

[ghostface147]

Hmm, maybe that explains a minor issue I previously posted that I am having. At startup, after getting to the Finder, the browser I use, Brave, is launched, even though I completely quit the app before shutting down either of my Macs. But also, it does not happen all the time. Certainly perplexing.

Yep, same issue. Sometimes safari opens, sometimes safari and Outlook 2019 together. Weird.

 

[honestone33]

Yep, same issue. Sometimes safari opens, sometimes safari and Outlook 2019 together. Weird.

Yeah, definitely weird! It's only Brave this sometimes happens with. It does not happen with Thunderbird, my EMail client.

Just out of curiosity, when Safari and Outlook 2019 open together, is that the "order" you quit those apps the last time you used that machine? That is, you quit Safari, launched and quit Outlook 2019 to re-check your EMail, and then shut the machine down? Myself, the first program I launch at startup (about 99% of the time) is Thunderbird, to check my EMail (once in a while I launch Quicken 2017 so that I can enter some transactions). I then launch Brave. After concluding my browsing activities, I quit Brave, and most of the time, I shut down the machine. Once in a while, though, especially if I've been using Brave for some time, I launch Thunderbird to re-check my EMail. I then quit it, and shut down the machine.

 

[ghostface147]

Yeah, definitely weird! It's only Brave this sometimes happens with. It does not happen with Thunderbird, my EMail client.

Just out of curiosity, when Safari and Outlook 2019 open together, is that the "order" you quit those apps the last time you used that machine? That is, you quit Safari, launched and quit Outlook 2019 to re-check your EMail, and then shut the machine down? Myself, the first program I launch at startup (about 99% of the time) is Thunderbird, to check my EMail (once in a while I launch Quicken 2017 so that I can enter some transactions). I then launch Brave. After concluding my browsing activities, I quit Brave, and most of the time, I shut down the machine. Once in a while, though, especially if I've been using Brave for some time, I launch Thunderbird to re-check my EMail. I then quit it, and shut down the machine.

I really don’t pay attention. I just command Q things until they’re all closed.

 

[Steve121178]

Is this the bug where iCloud Keychain keeps turning itself off and asking you to re-authenticate? I had that so consistently I eventually went back to Mojave.
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Oh is THAT what was causing it? Multiple users? That was driving me absolutely nuts. Back on Mojave now because of it...

Yep. When the secondary uses logs in, all ok. When I want to log in as the primary user, keychain under iCloud is deselected and requires me to enter my iCloud & Mac passwords about 45089804342 times until it stops prompting. Absolutely infuriating.

Unbelievable how Apple allowed this to get past testing.

 

[honestone33]

I really don’t pay attention. I just command Q things until they’re all closed.

Understand. I deliberately first quit Brave last night, then re-launched Thunderbird for one final EMail check, quit it, and shut down my machine. This morning it booted up normally, ie, after I signed in, only the Finder and my desktop came up.

 

[ignatius345]

Yep. When the secondary uses logs in, all ok. When I want to log in as the primary user, keychain under iCloud is deselected and requires me to enter my iCloud & Mac passwords about 45089804342 times until it stops prompting. Absolutely infuriating.

Unbelievable how Apple allowed this to get past testing.

Been going nuts trying to track this one down. I found all these "fixes" recommending signing out and back into iCloud which is irritating and doesn't fix it. And nowhere did I find mention of it being tied to multiple users.

I have two accounts with the same Apple ID. I use one specifically for writing, no email, no Messages, no notifications at all -- and another one for everything else. iCloud Drive (and before that, Dropbox) keeps files synced nicely between the two. Been using this setup since probably Mountain Lion or something, maybe even earlier, and it's always worked just fine until Catalina.

If you happen to test and find out this has been fixed, I'd be glad to know about it!

 

[ghostface147]

Understand. I deliberately first quit Brave last night, then re-launched Thunderbird for one final EMail check, quit it, and shut down my machine. This morning it booted up normally, ie, after I signed in, only the Finder and my desktop came up.

Yep, it's in its own world. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 

[realitydcf]

Here's an interesting change... They made the Mac's Display in the "Display" system preference have a text window open titled "Think Different" and the text is of the Think Different mantra. Nice Apple!

 

[Aquamite]

Here's an interesting change... They made the Mac's Display in the "Display" system preference have a text window open titled "Think Different" and the text is of the Think Different mantra. Nice Apple!View attachment 889034

Is that new on macOS 10.15.3? Are you sure that wasn't there in 10.15.2?

Also, the icons on the Dock look old from pre-Catalina era.

 

[siddavis]

I am still on Mojave and was going to update this morning. However, I understood that there were significant changes to (elimination) iTunes and I researched how audiobooks were handled in Catalina. It looks like non-DRM (mp3 etc) audiobooks are a disaster in 10.15.1. Does anyone know if 10.15.2 or .3 fix the issues folks were having with their audiobook collections? It's hard to find any info other than the wave of complaints after initial Catalina release. I also looked a the 10.15.2 release notes and while there are "fixes" for Books, it's not very detailed.

 

[jsl24469]

Does anyone know if 10.15.2 or .3 fix the issues folks were having with their audiobook collections?

My MBP is on 10.15.2 and I think it's safe to say that earlier issues w.r.t. audiobooks and music are not solved. Even basic stuff like transferring music to the older 128GB IPod model no longer seems to work. After upgrading to Crapalina, I noticed that the new Music.app program was unable to play music that is stored on the device whenever the IPod was connected via USB. Assuming that by setting up the IPod from scratch via Crapalina, I formatted the damn thing and then transferred the music via Music.app. Big big mistake. Instead of e.g. having one album with 12 music tracks on myIPod, I now had 12 albums (of the same name) with one music track each. Oh, and the music on the Ipod itself wasstill inaccessible via Crapalina music.app.

(My) solution: I started maintaining my Music library and my audiobooks library on a manual basis. File transfer to my IPod is now handled via Windows PC - which holds a replica of my IPod's files on an external SD card. Never thought that I would become an ITunes fan boy - but at least this solution seems to work.

10.15.2 did reduce the immense number of kernel panics for me - but it still feels like that the machine is heavily unstable. In addition, the window server freezes from time to time, thus rendering the GUI inaccessible for approx. 60 secs (ssh access still works). Never had those issues with earlier versions of OSX. Upgrading to 10.15 was a big big mistake.

 

[fcortese]

I was hoping that by now Catalina would be safe to upgrade to. Looks like I might just wait until 10.16 is released by Apple.

 

[jsl24469]

I second that approach - don't upgrade. Last week, I made the mistake of modifying the SMB sharing settings in Catalina via system preferences. As a result, Catalina decided to nuke my account's password. I was able to boot my machine and unlock its drive (I use a 2FA approach where the disk user has a different password than my actual user account) but an actual login was no longer possible. If I wouldn't be dependent on having access to the latest XCode release, I probably would have moved back to Mojave. Those recurring window server freezes are driving me nuts. The longer the machine's uptime, the higher the chance of that error paralyzing my machine.

 

[moodyintx]

Is keychain bug fixed for Macs bound to AD with mobile accounts and FileVault on?

The issue our company is seeing is when we change our password which is AD linked - the MBP becomes unstable and if you lock your screen and come back. You can unlock but your mac is frozen. We are mass downgrading because of this. is this the issue you are asking about above/

 

[Babygotfont]

why can we not know which issues apple has identified as a problem and which ones they are fixing/addressing? I get security related issues ... but all the other ones? why should the purchasers of the product not be aware/knowledgeable of this info/content and apples direction?