Apple Seeds Second Public Beta of macOS Big Sur 11.3

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Okay, so your best bet would be an external storage drive or to upgrade your iCloud plan (I have the 200 gig plan for like 3 bucks per month). My iCloud stores all my email SERVER settings (which means that when I tick the mail boxes in "Internet Accounts" under system settings, I don't have to keep entering any smtp server info. I just have to log in with my u/p when prompted.

If you use IMAP or Push email, then your emails should be stored on your email server until you delete them using your client. So when you log in, the mail.app client will begin downloading all those messages from the server, and they won't be deleted from the server unless you delete them from the client. The exception to this is if you use POP email. As I noted in a previous message, that will remove the email messages from the email server as it downloads them to your client, but few people use POP these days -- I'd check to see what email protocol you've been using (i.e., if it's Gmail, it's almost certainly not POP). The payoff of what I'm saying here is that deleting your partitions, after logging out of all your iCloud/iMessage stuff, will NOT permanently delete your mail messages: they'll likely still be sitting on your mail server. I'd double check this stuff, though, just to be sure you don't accidentally delete important info., as I am not actually at your computer to verify what your settings are or aren't.

I'm very grateful for your help, but for the sake of full disclosure I'm not a total Mac newbie. This was my first computer with its 90MHZ processor and a whopping 1 GB HD!

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You have taught me something that I didn't know; that iCloud saves my settings from Internet Accounts, although I keep all mine in a TextEdit document, along with passwords etc.

I've just updated to 11.2.2 and nothing's changed.

Of prime importance to me is my mail that goes back to 1995, and is still of great use to me. Just today I was emailing with a client and I was able to show him the invoice he paid back in 2010 to prove that my rates had not increased since then.

All of that mail is in folders in Mail.app, not on servers.

I run my own mail servers on my domain with various accounts and forwarders so I'm pretty much converse with how things work.

All my accounts are POP, including my Gmail accounts and I delete mail frequently from the servers, specially Gmail, so everything stays on my computer, and my Time Machine backups.

I guess that after a clean install that you recommend I should be able to restore all that mail from TM without restoring whatever may be causing this bug?

While it may seem to many like a minor glitch it's a PITA for me. Today I was exchanging emails every few minutes with a client while doing other stuff. I have Mail launched but hidden, and without those new mail sounds and alerts it's hard to know if I've received new mail without looking at the dock icon, which doesn't always bounce either.

I have custom sounds for many recipients so without looking I should know who's emailing me. That's a luxury I don't have any more either.

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I'm very grateful for your help, but for the sake of full disclosure I'm not a total Mac newbie. This was my first computer with its 90MHZ processor and a whopping 1 GB HD!

Power Macintosh 7200 - Wikipedia

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You have taught me something that I didn't know; that iCloud saves my settings from Internet Accounts, although I keep all mine in a TextEdit document, along with passwords etc.

I've just updated to 11.2.2 and nothing's changed.

Of prime importance to me is my mail that goes back to 1995, and is still of great use to me. Just today I was emailing with a client and I was able to show him the invoice he paid back in 2010 to prove that my rates had not increased since then.

All of that mail is in folders in Mail.app, not on servers.

I run my own mail servers on my domain with various accounts and forwarders so I'm pretty much converse with how things work.

All my accounts are POP, including my Gmail accounts and I delete mail frequently from the servers, specially Gmail, so everything stays on my computer, and my Time Machine backups.

I guess that after a clean install that you recommend I should be able to restore all that mail from TM without restoring whatever may be causing this bug?

While it may seem to many like a minor glitch it's a PITA for me. Today I was exchanging emails every few minutes with a client while doing other stuff. I have Mail launched but hidden, and without those new mail sounds and alerts it's hard to know if I've received new mail without looking at the dock icon, which doesn't always bounce either.

I have custom sounds for many recipients so without looking I should know who's emailing me. That's a luxury I don't have any more either.

Like this 😉

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I see. Well, then I'm sure you know that you can export mail to do a backup of your inboxes, if you ever do choose to go ahead and reformat your petition for a totally clean install. My guess is that that would be the best way to eliminate the bug you're describing. Best of luck to you!

 

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Oh, and one final thing: I totally get that everybody's work flow is different, and that some features that some of us might find "minor" are not so minor to others, so I sincerely do hope you find a satisfactory resolution for this bug/glitch.

 

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Oh, and one final thing: I totally get that everybody's work flow is different, and that some features that some of us might find "minor" are not so minor to others, so I sincerely do hope you find a satisfactory resolution for this bug/glitch.

Thanks again.

I was thinking of some folk here who didn't think it was such a big deal and suggested I try another email client instead.

While I miss a heck of a lot of the power and the options Eudora provided for many years I have learned to live with Mail.app and its limitations, and if it's true that this issue is something that Apple can resolve for myself and others, then I still hope they will.

Meanwhile as long as it's the only issue I'm experiencing I'll hang on at least until macOS 11.3 before reformatting and getting serious.

 

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Oh, and one final thing: I totally get that everybody's work flow is different, and that some features that some of us might find "minor" are not so minor to others, so I sincerely do hope you find a satisfactory resolution for this bug/glitch.

One final thing from me: is your copy of Mail.app the same build as mine? 🤔

 

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FYI: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mail-notifications-missing.2268443/

Mail notifications missing?

This problem has been around for at least two years: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-seeds-first-beta-of-upcoming-macos-big-sur-11-1-update-to-developers.2269151/post-29272556...

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It seems that Apple thinks the bug was squashed, but it wasn't:

macOS Big Sur (11.0) - Bugs and bug fixes

macOS 11 - Big Sur Beta 1 Release Date ― June 22, 2020 Build Number ― 20A4299v macOS Big Sur Beta 1 Release Notes Known Issues Updating to macOS Big Sur 11 beta from previous versions of macOS might take significantly longer than expected. Data loss could occur if the update is interrupted...

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Resolved Issues

• (Catalina bug) Mail: Alert chime, notification and badge all appear at the same time

Unable to turn on Mail notification sounds - Apple Community

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Macbookpro Big Sur have No email notifica… - Apple Community

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Big Sur - Notifications do not play sound - Apple Community

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notification sounds not working - Apple Community

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Nothing seems to work...

 

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FYI: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mail-notifications-missing.2268443/

Mail notifications missing?

This problem has been around for at least two years: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-seeds-first-beta-of-upcoming-macos-big-sur-11-1-update-to-developers.2269151/post-29272556...

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Can you share the FB# of the feedback you provided via Feedback Assistant along with a link to the Apple Discussion for the allegedly broken mail notification sound on macOS 11.

 

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Can you share the FB# of the feedback you provided via Feedback Assistant along with a link to the Apple Discussion for the allegedly broken mail notification sound on macOS 11.

What's a "FB#"?

If you mean Feedback number of my feedback to Apple there isn't one.

Links to the Apple Discussions are in my previous post:

Apple Seeds Second Public Beta of macOS Big Sur 11.3

FYI: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mail-notifications-missing.2268443/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mail-notifications-missing.2268443/?post=29286188#post-29286188 It seems that Apple thinks the bug was squashed, but it wasn't...

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The "broken mail notification sound" is not "alleged" - it really is broken!

 

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One final thing from me: is your copy of Mail.app the same build as mine? 🤔

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Yep, that's the version of mail I am using, too.

 

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Trackpad palm rejection still completely broken in 11.2.2. A fix one of these days would be nice.

 

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Just so I am super clear - I wasn't trying to talk down to you or doubt your issues. I appreciate my intro sentence could have been better.

I hope everything gets fixed as needed.

With regard to the mirroring icon - make sure you go into the control centre (next to the siri/clock part) and then click/drag the screen mirroring section up into the top menubar. This will then have it always show. Otherwise, yes, it is conditional.

Just to follow up on this…

It turns out, the problem was my mouse.

I'm using an older Mad Catz RAT5 that's no longer supported. It's a gaming-style mouse (I bought it because I wanted extra buttons for using with CAD apps) and unfortunately, there's one button on it that essentially "toggles" between three sets of settings. And without a proper driver, the Mac essentially behaves as if there is always a button pressed. This was affecting everything from the Dock and App Switcher to basic clicking functions within some applications.

I swapped it out for an even older (but more basic) Logitech mouse I had kicking around, and the problems went away.

I'm now in the market for a more modern corded mouse, ideally one that will work just fine without proprietary driver software.

Even my old Wacom Bamboo tablet has had its software support dropped with Big Sur. It seems a lot of hardware companies are seeing Big Sur as an opportunity to drop support for older products that could otherwise continue to function indefinitely.