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C DM said:
Pretty much the same thing has existed from the beginning of Night Shift when it comes to using Push for email or having the screen lock in more than 30 seconds. Again, nothing really new or inconsistent with Low Power Mode.

Seems like we've moved on from talking about being able to use one thing along with another to nitpicking some other aspects of it to just not even caring for Low Power Mode at all. Kind of neither here nor there really.
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The average user won't bother fiddling with Settings if the Control Center toggle is greyed out and will likely not benefit from Night Shift.
C DM said:
It's not that much about battery size, since even with a large battery someone could still be in a situation where they are low on battery and would like to get more out of it for more important functions (or even when they aren't low and would like to get even more out of it than they normally would, even if normally they would still get a lot).
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I just don't like the idea of users having to give up a quality experience to squeeze a few more minutes of battery life out of their phone.
 
TheDetailsMatter said:
The average user won't bother fiddling with Settings if the Control Center toggle is greyed out and will likely not benefit from Night Shift.

I just don't like the idea of users having to give up a quality experience to squeeze a few more minutes of battery life out of their phone.
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No one is forcing you to use it. I have had my 6s since launch and I have only enabled it once when I was at Disneyland for 14 hours and my battery was getting low. I typically get 10 hours of usage on my device without a problem. But when you need an extra hour, what is the harm for underclocking your CPU and turning off notifications?

And to your argument of making the battery bigger. If the battery is 5X bigger (which is impossible), doesn't mean someone won't find themselves in a situation where they can't charge their phone and they need an extra hour.
 
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Mlrollin91 said:
No one is forcing you to use it. I have had my 6s since launch and I have only enabled it once when I was at Disneyland for 14 hours and my battery was getting low. I typically get 10 hours of usage on my device without a problem. But when you need an extra hour, what is the harm for underclocking your CPU and turning off notifications?

And to your argument of making the battery bigger. If the battery is 5X bigger (which is impossible), doesn't mean someone won't find themselves in a situation where they can't charge their phone and they need an extra hour.
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The harm is when you can't choose to enable a setting without disabling another: users shouldn't have to dive into Settings to figure why a control isn't available.
 
TheDetailsMatter said:
The harm is when you can't choose to enable a setting without disabling another: users shouldn't have to dive into Settings to figure why a control isn't available.
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I'm sorry but there are flaws in your argument. If someone wants to enable Night Shift, they are probably in bed reading on the device, or using the device for whatever reason they want. Most people plug their devices in to charge when they are laying in bed. Therefore, low power mode would not need to be enabled, and Night Shift can be enabled.

Or, similar scenario. People are in bed reading, playing a game or what not, battery is down to 20% and they have Night Shift enabled. Considering they are going to plug their device in when they go to bed, they don't need to have low power mode enabled because that 20% will still give them 1-2 hours of battery life.

There is really no need to have both Night Shift and low power mode enabled at the same time. Give me one reason why you would need both.

I swear, people find the most obscure things to complain about.
 
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TheDetailsMatter said:
The average user won't bother fiddling with Settings if the Control Center toggle is greyed out and will likely not benefit from Night Shift.

I just don't like the idea of users having to give up a quality experience to squeeze a few more minutes of battery life out of their phone.
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But they will benefit from Low Power Mode. Again, same concept as push or even fetch no longer working for email while Low Power Mode is enabled, as has been the case from the beginning with Low Power Mode.

As for being able to trade off some less important and more power hungry features for more battery life as a completely optional thing, it's hard to see what's not to like there. People don't have to use it, but those who might want to would have a simple option to do so.
TheDetailsMatter said:
The harm is when you can't choose to enable a setting without disabling another: users shouldn't have to dive into Settings to figure why a control isn't available.
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That's not harm, that's simply a trade-off that is in play, and, once again, something that has been at the heart of Low Power Mode from its beginning.
 
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Mlrollin91 said:
I'm sorry but there are flaws in your argument. If someone wants to enable Night Shift, they are probably in bed reading on the device, or using the device for whatever reason they want. Most people plug their devices in to charge when they are laying in bed. Therefore, low power mode would not need to be enabled, and Night Shift can be enabled.

Or, similar scenario. People are in bed reading, playing a game or what not, battery is down to 20% and they have Night Shift enabled. Considering they are going to plug their device in when they go to bed, they don't need to have low power mode enabled because that 20% will still give them 1-2 hours of battery life.

There is really no need to have both Night Shift and low power mode enabled at the same time. Give me one reason why you would need both.

I swear, people find the most obscure things to complain about.
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The logic is, that because they are in bed near a charger and in no need of low power mode, night shift should be able to be activated without having to dive into settings to disable low power mode.
 
TheDetailsMatter said:
The logic is, that because they are in bed near a charger and in no need of low power mode, night shift should be able to be activated without having to dive into settings to disable low power mode.
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What? If they are in bed, with no need of low power mode, you don't have to dive into settings to turn on Night Shift. Just swipe up and call it a day.
 
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TheDetailsMatter said:
But if low power mode was on from earlier, the toggle is greyed out in control center.
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There are two work-arounds. First, if you know you are just going to be laying in bed, don't turn low power mode on. Its not meant to be turned on every day once you hit 20%. Its meant to be turned on when you are out and about and you know you can't get to a charger for 1-2+ hours. Or, second, use Siri. No diving in and only takes 4 words. "Turn on Night Shift".
 
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TheDetailsMatter said:
The logic is, that because they are in bed near a charger and in no need of low power mode, night shift should be able to be activated without having to dive into settings to disable low power mode.
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Then they could disable Low Power Mode which they themselves manually enabled to begin with and enable Night Shift if that's what they want. Same thing applies (and has applied since the beginning of Low Power Mode) to push/fetch for email, or background refresh, or "Hey Siri", or other features that Low Power Mode disables/modifies: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205234
 
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C DM said:
Then they could disable Low Power Mode which they themselves manually enabled to begin with and enable Night Shift if that's what they want. Same thing applies (and has applied since the beginning of Low Power Mode) to push/fetch for email, or background refresh, or "Hey Siri", or other features that Low Power Mode disables/modifies: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205234
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"some visual effects " - apparently including night shift too since its a visual effect. Case closed.
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Mlrollin91 said:
I think the first bug with the clock is beyond picky too. It only occurs if you tap the camera icon, which you're not suppose to do because thats not intended behavior.
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But what about the bug where if you are standing on your head and want to watch YouTube videos in landscape mode it keeps flipping around so its upside down. I dont think they will ever fix that one either.
 
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sbailey4 said:
"some visual effects " - including night shift. Case closed.
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But what about the bug where if you are standing on your head and want to watch YouTube videos in landscape mode it keeps flipping around so its upside down. I dont think they will ever fix that one either.
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Rotfl. Thanks for the laugh. Rotation lock??
 
K4LK said:
Yes, reboot (hold sleep/wake & home until you see the apple logo), then try again.
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No luck. This has happened across several restores, too. My phone had the error 53 issue and I really hope this is not related to that.
 
VERIZON wifi calling did need to be turned back on for me. B3 I turned it on and 4-5 it stayed on. I had to go turn it back on for this one.
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Mlrollin91 said:
No one is forcing you to use it. I have had my 6s since launch and I have only enabled it once when I was at Disneyland for 14 hours and my battery was getting low. I typically get 10 hours of usage on my device without a problem. But when you need an extra hour, what is the harm for underclocking your CPU and turning off notifications?

And to your argument of making the battery bigger. If the battery is 5X bigger (which is impossible), doesn't mean someone won't find themselves in a situation where they can't charge their phone and they need an extra hour.
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To your point, the battery is never going to be enough. Personally, I can carry a power pack in a bag, but to your point (in a way), people are going to want more juice. "I only get 42 days of battery, all I need is 2 more days, why is apple so stupid?" #endsarcasm
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MrGuder said:
This makes no sense because it's usually at night when your at 20% and it's at night when you would want to enable night shift mode. I don't get it.
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I wonder if it really uses more power. Maybe low power and night shift together balance out? Then again, the point is so you can sleep better...if your phone died, you'd fall right asleep!
 
C DM said:
And I understand what you are trying to get at, but with that in play it seems that users would be misleadingly believing they are getting meaningful benefits of Low Power Mode when they very well might not be under those circumstances, and that doesn't seem like a good thing either.
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The same could be argued for Airplane Mode, though. When you toggle it on, all your radios are off. But afterwards, you can explicitly re-enable Wi-Fi while staying in Airplane Mode. It's a conscious choice, and it's obvious enough.
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TheDetailsMatter said:
Its still saving some battery. And again: Low Power Mode shouldn't interfere with user facing features.
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Maybe, but it always has. Mail, downloads and other content no longer getting pushed is quite user-facing. Fewer visual effects are user-facing.

TheDetailsMatter said:
Low Power Mode is something that belongs on Android phones: it shouldn’t even be a part of iOS.
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Maybe, but that's quite irrelevant to whether Low Power Mode should still allow Night Shift. You clearly don't want to use Low Power Mode, so how does this affect you?

TheDetailsMatter said:
Ideally, the end user should never have to worry about power management, should never have to choose between features, and should never get a subpar experience for the sake of longer battery life.
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Yes, and ideally, we'd have 30-day battery life in a two-millimeters-thick device. But we don't.
 
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