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Apple Seeds Sixth Beta of macOS 13 Ventura to Developers

xgman said:
Well whatever, but I'm not alone in hating the new one.. And there are countless little things that just don't work right in the sub menus. many things aren't even visible until you start right clicking on certain items.
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What is an example of a menu that doesn’t work unless you right click?
Because, as far as I can tell, looking at both system preferences and system settings right next to each other, discoverability is actually easier in the new Settings app.
The appearance settings are labeled “Appearance” instead of being buried in “General”, wi-Fi settings aren’t buried in the ancient archaic “Network” menu, the lock screen customizations aren’t buried in three different menus for “screensaver”, “battery” and “security”, and the “General” section is actually used for real general settings and maintenance, like software updates, the clock, and storage.
It all just makes a lot more sense, discoverability is way better in my opinion, and I haven’t come across a single menu where right clicking is necessary
 
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I am waiting for support for steering wheel and pedals. Will download later and cross my fingers.
 
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Finally a stable version, spark mail app and messages not crashing anymore, general stability ok, safari issues fixed (all of known by me like new tab moving and autofill issues or bank sites), FaceTime audio not crashing anymore.
I like this version, finally!
 
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Realityck said:
Hopefully some of the powerd and mds_stores (spotlight)
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Isn’t this just on a restart and last for 4 minutes tops as Spotlight associated programs do an entire system wide scan. I’m pretty sure this is normal behavior as in that’s how MacOS has always operated, no?

Give your machine 5 minutes give or take and then check system cpu usage. 🙂
 
The powerd was not a 5 min issue but a bug taking the full CPU power ongoing.
IamTimCook said:
Isn’t this just on a restart and last for 4 minutes tops as Spotlight associated programs do an entire system wide scan. I’m pretty sure this is normal behavior as in that’s how MacOS has always operated, no?

Give your machine 5 minutes give or take and then check system cpu usage.
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Has Apple cleaned up the alignment issues mentioned in MacWorld and DaringFireball?

Niki Tonsky has a twitter thread full of examples.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1557357661171204098

MacWorld

"I want to believe that the System Settings team at Apple is working hard on fixing all of this for a fall release, but the list of things that are wrong with this app is so long that I don’t see how even an all-hands-on-deck situation could get it in good enough shape to ship with pride in macOS Ventura 13"

"Shipping a broken Settings app is embarrassing. But acting as if it’s not broken would be unconscionable."

www.macworld.com

One of macOS Ventura's key new features already needs a massive overhaul

System Settings is a mess.
www.macworld.com www.macworld.com

DaringFireball

"If Apple can’t make professional-looking settings panels with SwiftUI, how can anyone be expected to?"

"No matter what style MacOS’s System Settings is supposed to look like, there should be no question that it should look pixel-perfect."
 
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hopefully it fixes the sound on my Studio , when i watch youtube i only get sound for 3-4 seconds and then nothing, wasn't a problem in beta 4 and hopefully i can update my Display to the newest firmware on my Studio Display other then that its been really smooth
 
The animations in Stage Manager look smoother, but not quite there yet. They also seem slower on external displays. Are others seeing this? I'm on a 2018 Intel MacBook Pro, right on the edge of compatibility...
 
Realityck said:
Hopefully some of the powerd and mds_stores (spotlight) occasionally hogging CPU issues are addressed. :)
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So far I am not seeing the same with beta 6.

CCC backups with spotlight hogging the CPU would cause the 4th step (create/copy data volume) to fail in beta 5, appears to be fixed in beta 6.

This is on a M1 24" iMac and a 16" M1 Max MBP. Hope it works better for others here.
 
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Realityck said:
So far I am not seeing the same with beta 6.

CCC backups with spotlight hogging the CPU would cause the 4th step (create/copy data volume) to fail in beta 5, appears to be fixed in beta 6.

This is on a M1 24" iMac and a 16" M1 Max MBP. Hope it works better for others here.
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Just did a clean install of Beta 6, everything smooth so far. I'll install CCC and give that a try soon.
 
Beta 6 finally(!) fixes the various VPN issues. In Betas 1-4 you couldn't connect to any L2TP VPNs, nor could you create new ones. In Beta 5 you could finally connect to the VPNs, but the interface to create new ones was rather screwed up (as a result of the new System Settings). In Beta 6 everything is now working! This is probably not a big deal for most people, but it was a huge deal for anyone who uses VPNs to connect to work offices.

The biggest issue for me now is that my invoicing software (Billings Pro) isn't working properly. Alas, that's not really an Apple issue, so no idea if that will ever get fixed.
 
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noraa said:
Beta 6 finally(!) fixes the various VPN issues. In Betas 1-4 you couldn't connect to any L2TP VPNs, nor could you create new ones. In Beta 5 you could finally connect to the VPNs, but the interface to create new ones was rather screwed up (as a result of the new System Settings). In Beta 6 everything is now working! This is probably not a big deal for most people, but it was a huge deal for anyone who uses VPNs to connect to work offices.

The biggest issue for me now is that my invoicing software (Billings Pro) isn't working properly. Alas, that's not really an Apple issue, so no idea if that will ever get fixed.
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That's wonderful that they've fixed that issue with the VPNs. I was able to use Wireguard in the meantime so it wasn't an issue remotely. That sucks about Billings Pro!
 
OhMyMy said:
Is it just me who's experiencing Safari opening an extra blank window when you quit and open with "All windows from last session" enabled?
It's driving me insane and doesn't happen on Monterey.
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How do you close that extra window? Do you close it by clicking the red × button (or ⇧⌘W), or by closing its empty tab with ⌘W? Try closing the tab rather the window. Otherwise, Safari will diligently reopen that closed window (which still had an open tab in it) the next time you launch it.
kharder69 said:
I just wish unlock with Apple Watch would work again, I have not been able to unlock with Apple Watch since Ventura Beta 1. Still works on my MacBook on Monterey.

I have tried everything including resetting Bluetooth, wifi, signing out and back in to Apple ID and creating new user to no avail.
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I had that problem with Beta 4, but installing Beta 5 fixed the issue. macOS has some annoying intermittent device-discovery issues that only seem to resolve themselves when you update the OS. For instance, my HomePods occasionally disappear from the Sound menu (but not from Home) after a reboot, and I can no longer use them as external speakers until the next OS update.
 
zecanard said:
How do you close that extra window? Do you close it by clicking the red × button (or ⇧⌘W), or by closing its empty tab with ⌘W? Try closing the tab rather the window. Otherwise, Safari will diligently reopen that closed window (which still had an open tab in it) the next time you launch it.
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Didn’t work! It still opens an extra window. It worked fine until Monterey. The issue is with Safari 16 and not Ventura itself. Downloaded the beta of Safari 16 for Monterey before I upgraded to Ventura beta and had the same thing happen before. I’m losing my mind.
 
My ageing late iMac 2015 27in is not invited to the party. Still on Big Sur actually. Waiting for a 27in iMac M2 to be released.
 
OhMyMy said:
Didn’t work! It still opens an extra window. It worked fine until Monterey. The issue is with Safari 16 and not Ventura itself. Downloaded the beta of Safari 16 for Monterey before I upgraded to Ventura beta and had the same thing happen before. I’m losing my mind.
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That is bizarre. You could try closing all your tabs across all windows, if that is feasible (first save them all as bookmarks, maybe); or transfer them all into the window with the empty tab (you can drag tabs between windows).
 
zecanard said:
That is bizarre. You could try closing all your tabs across all windows, if that is feasible (first save them all as bookmarks, maybe); or transfer them all into the window with the empty tab (you can drag tabs between windows).
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Bizarre indeed! Even more weird would be the issue only happening if I'm quitting a Private window. Private is my default but tried opening a few tabs in regular window and Cmd+Q and then reopened Safari. It opens just the window as it should and no extra windows.
But if you quit a Private window with multiple tabs and reopen Safari it opens all the Private tabs and an empty regular window.

Could you try replicating the issue?

- Open only a Private window
- Settings-> Safari opens with : All windows from last session
- Open a few random tabs
- Cmd+Q
- Open Safari
 
Does anyone else have the problem with Stage Manager that apps grouped together all are ungrouped after the computer wakes from sleep? Happens 100% of the time for me. M1 MBA using an external display. I reported to Apple but just curious if anyone else is seeing it.
 
IamTimCook said:
Isn’t this just on a restart and last for 4 minutes tops as Spotlight associated programs do an entire system wide scan. I’m pretty sure this is normal behavior as in that’s how MacOS has always operated, no?

Give your machine 5 minutes give or take and then check system cpu usage. 🙂
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No, if it is the issue I have the symptom is that Spotlight does not work at all. Rebuilding the cache does not work, but creating a new user does. Haven’t installed the latest seed yet, but fingers crossed.
 
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AppKit​

CoreGraphics​

Deprecations​

  • To improve security, CGImageCreate enforces parameter correctness on macOS 13 Ventura, iOS 16, iPadOS 16, watchOS 9, and tvOS 16. Passing an incorrect CGImageByteOrderInfo is no longer supported, and will result in images failing to load. (94855401)

DeviceDiscoveryUI​

Known Issues​

  • Devices running beta 4 or later aren’t backwards compatible with devices running earlier beta versions. (95233878)

Mail​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 6​

  • Fixed: Highlighted search snippets might stay visible after closing search. (91830631)

Known Issues​

  • Moving a Remind Me message to another mailbox doesn’t remove the Remind Me banner. (93685824)

Metal​

Known Issues​

  • The MTLResource.gpuHandle is deprecated. (92862429)
    Workaround: Use gpuResourceID instead, which functions as a replacement.

Metal Offline Compiler​

Known Issues​

  • MetalFX effect outputs aren’t designed to be consumed by the CPU. Outputting to a texture that is read only by the CPU might result in synchronization issues. (91515075)
    Workaround: If a CPU reading of the MetalFX output is desired, instead of encoding the MetalFX effect as the last item in a command buffer, encode a dummy blit that consumes the MetalFX output texture (a 1-pixel region blit is fine) in the command buffer. After the command buffer with the dummy blit is finished, reading of the MetalFX effect output texture with CPU synchronizes correctly.

Networking​

Deprecations​

  • FTP is deprecated for URLSession and related APIs. Please adopt modern secure networking protocols such as HTTPS. (92623659)

Security​

Known Issues​

  • You might encounter multiple prompts asking for user consent to manage apps when installing and upgrading apps. (94192721)

Software Update​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 6​

  • Fixed: You might be unable to update to macOS 13 Ventura beta from macOS 11 Big Sur. (98338957)

Stage Manager​

Known Issues​

  • With Stage Manager active, windows continue as the key window and receive key events when minimized. (94169311)

StoreKit​

Deprecations​

  • Deprecated the SKDownload API and removed the option to upload nonconsumable in-app purchase assets for Apple to host. In addition, support for managing these assets in App Store Connect is no longer available as of April 2022. (89764253)

Swift​

Known Issues​

  • Network.framework resolved an issue that could cause NWBrowser, NWConnection, NWConnectionGroup, NWEthernetChannel, NWListener, and NWPathMonitor to trigger a retain cycle when various Handler blocks are set. Starting with macOS 13, iOS 16, watchOS 9, and tvOS 16, if software using Network.framework targets these releases as the minimum OS, the object releases any blocks they captured once cancelled, breaking the retain cycle. (89677097)
    Workaround: For software targeting older versions, the retain cycle can be broken by setting the handler blocks to nil after canceling the object.

SwiftUI​

Known Issues​

  • Providing actions to a navigationTitle modifier has been deprecated. Use the toolbarTitleActions() modifier or ToolbarTitleActions type in a toolbar modifier instead. (93658035)

Texts and Fonts​

Deprecations​

  • ATS and ATSUI APIs are fully deprecated. Code using these APIs will fail to compile and link when the deployment target is set to 13. Code targeting earlier versions of macOS will continue to compile, link, and run. macOS 13 is the last release where code depending on ATS or ATSUI will run. All runtime functionality will be removed in next major release of macOS. (83581159)

Wallet​

Known Issues​

  • American Express cards might need to be removed and re-added to Wallet after updating to macOS 13 beta 6 or later. (97990752)
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Does the Beta 6 include the important security fix from 12.5.1?
 
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