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Apple Seeds Snow Leopard 10A190 (Mac OX 10.6) to Developers
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Since the new MacBooks lack firewire, the answer for them is almost certainly NO.
Since the new MacBooks lack firewire, the answer for them is almost certainly NO.
I don't know why no one's mentioned this yet, but it says right in the Seed Notes that this build is unsupported on the Fall 2008 Macbooks and Macbook Pros.
Of course he is trolling, as most of one-off participants and PC apologists here do.
Leopard has been ROCK SOLID and with zero bugs since at least 10.5.2 on my Mac. SL is just gonna pave the way for Apple's future in OSs, trimming the bloat and maximizing use of multicore machines. It has NOTHING to do with bug fixes, but in fact with "from-the-ground-up" reformulation which, in the end, will OBVIOUSLY bring even more stability and performance.
Rumour has it that it is less bloated and more optimised. Hopefully that'll mean faster compression, focus on improving teh snappy and slimmer safari memory usage.
can't wait till the release ... I just hope apple and the development team find all the little bugs n fine tune their code so everything runs smooth out of the box. I'd rather them take their time than to meet some deadline
This will be quite a hat-trick, since rewriting software "from-the-ground-up" is most frequently associated with adding a whole host of new bugs to the software.
At least if they kill 32-bit (including Intel Core Duo Apples) and PPC support they'll be able to streamline things.
Adding real, modern 64-bit support will be good too.
Leopard is incredibly picky about memory; I had the same situation at where I work; iMac G5 failed to netboot - it would kernel panic on the 10.5.5 boot image but worked on a 10.4.11 one. Replaced the memory, rebooted and all is well.
Just because something appears it one, doesn't mean it'll appear in another. Not all memory issues will result in kernel panics.
My current powerbook is my main computer that I use 12+ hrs a day and I can tell you that Leopard is exponentially faster than Tiger. I almost never reboot it or turn it off. I'm very satisfied with the speed compared to the turtle that was Tiger.
good to see progress. next summer will be awesome! if you have an intel machine, you're in for a real treat!
For some reason that doesn't seem accurate, unless very few of their customers have upgraded to intel and they have gotten next to no new customers over the last year. The # of PPC users has to be fixed or dropping, the number of intel users has to be rising, so why is it hovering at about the same value?
Actually, you can, although it isn't exactly a click-and-go maneuver. System Preferences/Spotlight/Privacy, and add your drive. It'll never index that drive again as long as the name doesn't change.
Those numbers are more interesting; especially if you turn off normalization. Powermac numbers are very stable; I'd gather those with powermacs are not throwing them away until they no longer work. Which may be in a year
Puhlease, Apple isn't even testing a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard, nor has there been any hint of such an animal and Snow Leopard testing has been underway for how many months now ???
And if Apple does have a PowerPC version of Snow Leopard (which I suspect they probably will have at some point anyway even if it's secretly held and never released to the public), that adds insult to injury to PowerPC users and developers who would never code any Snow Leopard specific features into any PowerPC version of an app this late in the game if it is ultimately released.
But, its not gonna be released for PowerPC, that's why I'm griping.
Leopard is buggy on PowerPC Macs and the Snow Leopard fixes don't seem to be coming our way, whether you paid $4000 or $1000 for your PowerPC Mac 2 - 2 1/2 years ago.
I reiterate the call for a link backing up your ravings, because you've now had about half a dozen people who know more facts than you about the subject explain the situation to you, and you still insist they are wrong. Back up your statements with links, and stop telling people who know more than you go "go away."
Provide a link to counter the legitimate criticism on your statements. You claim it's public, so show us the link.
My theory is that the GUI is running at a lower priority or the kernel is using larger time slices. It is very noticeable between 10.5 and 10.4 that the GUI has less zip.
The other significant cause of the change could be that 10.5 was not well optimized for 512K CPU caches that are common on G5 vs. the 2MB+ caches you have on the Core chips. 10.5, for example, runs very well on Quad G5s, which have 1MB CPU caches.
I did used to notice that, but I thought it was kind of fixed in one of the updates. I don't think it is a PPC thing, more of a 10.5 thing. If it is a PPC thing, I would attribute it to the G5s being primarily SATA without NCQ, while the Intel all have NCQ. Quad G5, not sure, but they seem to do drive access quicker than normal G5 as well. (I have identical drives in a 2004 G5 and a Quad G5, and the Quad seems noticeably quicker on file access; could just be a CPU thing as well.) I think you can turn off the preview icons totally if you want in Finder, and that also helps.
That's the point; it's not about bringing up a new NextOS or BeOS to Apple, it's about making use of the existing foundation and streamlining it. I would agree with you if they considered a whole new "yellow box" programming framework, but this is not the case.
They have worked out all major kinks already, and now it's about cutting the bloat that Apple deems unnecessary for the next 5 or 10 years. In this context, for sure PPC support will be gone, or optionally remain as a sort of "blue box" rhapsody-like emulation box.
Does this mean PPC is useless? Of course not, as many OS 9 users out there can attest. My old iBook G3 chugs along well with the latest Tiger version, and no major productivity impact exists. And for those REALLY in need of the latest and greatest, a 3-year hardware/OS renewal cycle is not that bad.
http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html
OK, as long as you're talking about a cleanup and not rewriting "from-the-ground-up".
By the way, Vista x64 has pretty much the same advantage - the 64-bit OS got rid of a bunch of cruft. (It was moved into the 32-bit compatibility subsystem, where it can die a natural death.)
Funny though, that Apple looks poised to do exactly what they so loudly criticized Microsoft for - making a clean break for 64-bit that requires new drivers and other priv'd software.
I am really waiting for Snow Leopard. It will be a good time to upgrade my current PowerMac G5.
I expect a 10% to 20% improvement in Apps that support Grand-Central and some really nice increases in performance through OpenCL.
I don;t think it will be a revolution but more of a nice evolution in performance.
Looking Forward!
I expect a 10% to 20% improvement in Apps that support Grand-Central and some really nice increases in performance through OpenCL.
I don;t think it will be a revolution but more of a nice evolution in performance.
Looking Forward!
Well let's see, I think I paid around $1200 total for all the parts. The main issue, driver support for the motherboard chipset in the machine. For the most part that alone caused it not to be able to run Vista.
And let's not get into the issue of Vista compatibility here. Microsoft messed things up royally. My mom bought a brand new Vista laptop.....but when SP1 came out, the machine didn't support it because of.....yup....drivers. There would be no way for my Mom to upgrade the laptop beyond the initial install of Vista.
She's on a MacBook now!
-Kevin
I'd hardly call OpenCL and Grand Central bug fixes. They are major new features that are coming in Snow Leopard and will make a huge difference in the future. Information about it has been on the Apple site for ages.
You won't notice much (if any) difference due to that. There may or may not be other differences.
Sorry, but Apple did it first, and never argued against such strategy. In fact, they may be seen as the masters of migration and initially controversial evolutionary decisions that later proved right.
OS 9 - OS X
PPC - Intel
Floppy - Non-Floppy
FW - Non-FW
The "clean break" was a necessity for MS because they simply didn't know what to do with legacy support. And that's why they are in such a bad shape now; no ordinary user employs Win64 (or is even aware of it, with its neverending incompatibilities), and MS simply can't let go of 32-bit support. Otherwise they would be history in no time.
Apple, on the other hand, has ALWAYS provided a clean, transparent way for running legacy apps, thus giving customers a much smoother pathway to newer machines and OS versions. Those complaining are those REFUSING to follow that path even after many years...so Tiger suffices for them.
Ridiculous. Grow up kool aid drinker. I've been posting here for a long time, have used Apple products since 1983 ( yes, an Apple ][e! ), and you've never seen me say anything nice about Microsoft or Vista.
This issue will not go away no matter how much the kool aid drinkers here try to pour the kool aid on the fire.
Apple is screwing over its staunchest longtime supporters and buyers of $4000 Macs and the people that kept them in business BEFORE the iPOD, iPHONE, PC Switcher money started kicking in.
This is different than Mac OS 9. Everyone knew it had to go. Apple doesn't have a single decent reason for discontinuing PowerPC support.
Apple can't spare a couple mil from those BILLIONS AND BILLIONS in the bank? PLEASE!
Seriously, someone give me ONE single reason why Apple doesn't have or can't afford the resources to release Snow Leopard for PowerPC in some fashion.
With a worsening economy and people buying less computers in general, this is a bad time for Steve Jobs to make one of his "LETS PUT IT IN A COFFIN" decisions. It's just bad PR and will make some people rethink their purchasing decisions in the future, especially if the Mac Mini is also discontinued at the same time during a bad economy.
I don't know... I'm thinking that the days of hearing about non-iphone at the big events are over. How many of the last macworld, and developer conferences had been focused on the iphone. It steals the show in january so sj can tell us what they are planing to release and then it steals the show in june so sj can tell us what they are releasing.
I have an iphone and love it but I would love to have a complete macworld keynote with out hearing one thing about the iphone.