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Apple Seeds Snow Leopard 10A190 (Mac OX 10.6) to Developers
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I'm just hoping for the unlikely outcome that 10.6 will cost less than previous iterations due to lack of "new features." yes, I know, there are many improvements under the hood and the code is being completely reworked, but it'd still be nice to have a cheaper upgrade... even though I'll probably upgrade regardless
no mockery intended. i do, however, have an allergic reaction to some of the hyperventilation and 'entitlement mentality' that i regularly see on this site.
for the record... i am typing this on a 12" powerbook g4... and my 'main' work computer is a 3 year old dual g5. i am running tiger on both machines; it's stable and does everything i need it to do. i don't plan on upgrading to leopard until i absolutely have to, and by then i'm sure the hexacore mac pro's will be here, and snow leopard will have perfected 'reverse time travel' workflow... so that my daily workload will be completely done before i actually show up at the office in the morning.
in seriousness... i've made the conscious choice in my tech buying decisions to 'stick with what works' and upgrade as minimally as i can get away with. all my machines are fast, rock solid and work like the day i bought 'em, and i have no need or desire for leopard's features at this time. further, i wouldn't expect apple's newest tech initiatives to be constrained by the need for compatibility with outmoded technology. i pretty much *expect* that i will be buying new hardware every 3 years or so; chalk it up to the cost of doing business.
anyway, that's the way i look at it.
But, its not gonna be released for PowerPC, that's why I'm griping.
Leopard is buggy on PowerPC Macs and the Snow Leopard fixes don't seem to be coming our way, whether you paid $4000 or $1000 for your PowerPC Mac 2 - 2 1/2 years ago.
Even if you're right that Leopard is buggy on PPC (although my PPC mac runs Leopard just fine), your reference to "the Snow Leopard fixes" tells me that you are either incredibly misinformed or just trolling. Your suggestion that the 'WWDC people need to just go away' makes me think it's the latter.
Snow Leopard is not a "fix" of Leopard. Snow Leopard is a "new animal" altogether.
Perhaps if they had chosen a different cat name it would be easier for you to comprehend.
The Intel transition was not *that* long ago. Surely at least 50% will still be on PPC.
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Hey can anyone dl the developer seed? I mean I made an Apple Developer Connection account, but do I have to have like an special account to download the snow leopard release or is it for all developers?
Hey can anyone dl the developer seed? I mean I made an Apple Developer Connection account, but do I have to have like an special account to download the snow leopard release or is it for all developers?
http://developer.apple.com/products/Hey can anyone dl the developer seed? I mean I made an Apple Developer Connection account, but do I have to have like an special account to download the snow leopard release or is it for all developers?
Money, dollar signs.
I own a PPCG4 running Tiger. It can't do video playback well, has trouble with flash heavy sites, and the DVD burner doesn't always open when I hold eject. In my case, I can't wait for the Nehalem Mac Pro update, and will buy Sleopard whenever it comes out.
But, unhappy PPC users, if Apple kept supporting your platform indefinitely, they'd be making OSWindows. Windows' biggest problem (Or asset?) is it's legacy support. Vista runs on my 1.5Ghz P4 with a Geforce 4MX and 768MB of RAM. Should it? I'm sure the computer and the OS would be better off if I had stuck with XP, and Vista had been written in exclusively fresh code (And only 64 bit!) Windows has had version after version stacked on top of the existing software. OS1-9 worked the same way. At a certain point, you have to leave some hardware behind if you want to move forward.
As someone who upgraded from Panther to Tiger five months ago, there is no performance boost, old junker or not. Personally I feel that Panther is still the best version, as it forgoes some of the more resource hungry tendrils of Tiger. And leopard has even more of it. Would not upgrading ruin your experience? Not for me it hasn't.
But, unhappy PPC users, if Apple kept supporting your platform indefinitely, they'd be making OSWindows. Windows' biggest problem (Or asset?) is it's legacy support. Vista runs on my 1.5Ghz P4 with a Geforce 4MX and 768MB of RAM. Should it? I'm sure the computer and the OS would be better off if I had stuck with XP, and Vista had been written in exclusively fresh code (And only 64 bit!
) Windows has had version after version stacked on top of the existing software. OS1-9 worked the same way. At a certain point, you have to leave some hardware behind if you want to move forward.As someone who upgraded from Panther to Tiger five months ago, there is no performance boost, old junker or not. Personally I feel that Panther is still the best version, as it forgoes some of the more resource hungry tendrils of Tiger. And leopard has even more of it. Would not upgrading ruin your experience? Not for me it hasn't.
Hey can anyone dl the developer seed? I mean I made an Apple Developer Connection account, but do I have to have like an special account to download the snow leopard release or is it for all developers?
ADC Select or Premier for OS software seeds.
Oh right... My bad!! Apologies
But wouldn't hexa be a step down? Or are you talking about 6 on one die? And hence, dual-proc 12-core?Leopard runs great on my 1.8ghz Sonnet G4 (formerly a DP500 Gigabit Etheernet machine) with 2 gigs of RAM and ATI Radeon 9800pro 128meg video. I shut off the 3D dock, as I hated it, and for some odd reason, the system perked up a little more after that.
It even runs good on my TiBook 550 with a gig of RAM and no 3D dock. No crashes here, except when connecting to OS 9 machines, for some odd reason.
Although G4 notebook prices have dropped considerably ($100 or more) since the special event. Not sure about eBay, but on Craigslist in this area, they just aren't selling for $600-$800 anymore like they were. About time, I say
I can see what you're saying, but what we don't know is how many PPC users are having problems. I'm not going to say 'well it's okay on my machine' because that doesn't help you, but we don't know if this is a widespread problem.
Bear in mind that Apple's biggest jump in marketshare happened when they transitioned to Intel. The majority of Apple users should be running Intel machines.
The fact is simple.
As soon as Apple moved to Intel from IBM, it was the same as a person switching from Mac to another platform. (Same can be said with OSX as well.)
Apple should have treated it that way. ( Make the OS and chip switch at the same time and started fresh...as well as telling Adobe to do the same thing.)
This gives you a lean clean machine and software.
I have a powerbook G4667mhz, and I fully expect the new machine, when I buy it...to move me forward, not struggle because its still trying to support something that is not even being sold by Apple...(i.e., power PC).
People bought what they had at the time for a reason..enjoy it, dont expect anything else past that...it was a complete product at the time of purchase, which was made for a reason. Lets assume it was for work, which means you will have made money from it to buy another one later that will work even better.
And if it was not for work, but entertainment...then you'll wait till you have some more rainy day money.
Again, as a person using probably one of the oldest macbooks around, (I know some are using a Pismo still), I can say its not worth trying to stuff an advanced system like Leopard on here - doubt it even meets the requirements...and sure wont notice the benefits as if it were on a current machine.
In fact, I notice more and more apps, and games do not work with this machine at all. I realize a lot of you have more current Power PCs.
But it was 3+ years ago when the first Intel came out? Surely you have budgeted for new equipment and realize the life cycle for a computer in a business environment is less than that? I know it would be nice to buy once and never buy again...but thats not how things currently are.
So Apple, isolate the Power PC so that you can create that lean operating system for a fast machine...when I update, I want to feel blown away with the difference. Not be underwhelmed because software suffers from legacy code to try to make users like me happy...with updates that really didnt matter.
Think of Photoshop. The best thing is that in CS5 they are writing it from the ground up. Lets hope like they did with the sound app, I believe, they dump Power PC support - so that it can run fast in the 'now' present moment.
Its not made for somebody from 3 years ago...again, people act like their tight with the $. Doesnt make sense if you have been making money from it...and if you havent then its a luxury item anyway.
Give them the $ so they can keep developing, and putting their resources into more modern ideas and not lagging behind in the old ideas...or rather trying to support the old stuff.
You buy a mac, yes, I understand it should be supported - but do remember, what I am talking about is the Power PC...if it still floats your boat, fine...but if not, its time to wave goodbye to it.
Peace
dAlen
Those numbers are obviously worthless. They show essentially no change at all from September 2007 till now; As if everyone had simply thrown their PPC in the garbage sometime between the middle of 2006 and late 2007.
NOT!
http://sparkle.adiumx.com/?year=2008&week=*&graph=line&normalized=1
That may (or may not) be more useful data. Omni's data tends to be biased towards new machines, since they have had various things preinstalled on new Macs.
That may (or may not) be more useful data. Omni's data tends to be biased towards new machines, since they have had various things preinstalled on new Macs.
Do you know how absolutely outraged and alienated the core user base would have been if Apple had made Leopard Intel only? I don't think you have a realistic understanding of consumer expectations, nor do you understand how OS X development works. Apple has had OS X running on both PPC and x86 platforms, optimized for both, ever since OS X first booted on a Power Mac. The only difference is that they kept the Intel builds locked away. Hopefully they'll continue that practice when they choose to cut off PPC support. You never know what the future holds - IBM new POWER designs look really impressive.
Dude, the only way you're going to be "blown away" is if you limber up and service yourself.
If you're not satisfied with the performance you get, it's definitely not due to PPC support that may or may not be in the next release of the OS. Universal binaries aren't any single bit slower than Intel-only binaries. The separate binaries have no affect on one another.I'm hoping Apple surprises Mac users with a Universal Snow Leopard release, but the chances of that occurring don't seem that good. Too much would have to be left out of the PPC version, and then it would be confusing to consumers to have to explain that their older Macs don't a number of the new features even though they've been upgraded to SL. As for my compatriot PPC zealot, I feel your pain but have to disagree with you on many points. Leopard runs more smoothly than Tiger ever did on my DP 2.0, and I run 4 multi-logins and a number of applications on each user. The upgrade to Leopard made my G5 feel like it finally had the OS that was intended for it. Part of the reason why I'm so fond of Leopard may be that I didn't rush out to upgrade. I couldn't stand the thought of not having classic Dock folder menus, so I waited until Apple relented and restored the list view in 10.5.2. Everything works, fans run at their proper speed at all times, and I've had zero KPs. Smooth as silk.
If Apple makes the decision that SL isn't feasible on the PPC platform then that's a decision I'll have to begrudgingly accept. Finally, to the guy who says he never bothers upgrading because he stays with what works, I'm shocked anyone on these forums would express such sentiments.
Still saying about 20% for PowerPC machines. Not surprising as not only have Intel machines been on sale for over 2 years now but also Apple have been selling Intel machines at a faster rate than they ever sold PowerPC machines at.