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Apple Seeds Tenth Beta of macOS 13 Ventura to Developers

Ventura didn’t change anything on my M1 MacBook Pro/has nothing useful for my use cases. I like the feature parity between macOS and iOS, feels like it’s finally been achieved. I don’t see the icon that an app is open on my iPad or iPhone in the dock but that rarely worked on Monterey either. How has it been for Intel Macs? I remember being mad that they suddenly chopped off support for so many without introducing anything radically new.

From a product designer’s POV, there’s a lot of inconsistencies in the System Settings app that really bug me and I hope they don’t ship it like this. The UI is better aligned with the current visual language but it doesn’t seem to follow font size preferences and just sits there, looking out of place.
 
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I tried the 8th? PB on my 2017 14,3 and I found it to be a bit laggy in the TV, Music and Safari apps. One thing I did notice about 13.0 was that the CPU temp was a lot cooler than 12.x. I find Monterey to be laggy on this machine too sometimes. macOS just doesn't seem optimized for Intel anymore I think.
 
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ignatius345 said:
Sadly I'll probably have to wait at least to 13.1 for Creative Cloud to fully catch up. Adobe's Mac support is pretty abysmal.
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Big issues with Ventura? Unfortunately the only reason I’ve hesitated on the betas is bc of any conflicts with CC.
 
leagueoflegos said:
Big issues with Ventura? Unfortunately the only reason I’ve hesitated on the betas is bc of any conflicts with CC.
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I don't know, but I assume there will be road bumps. If it was just my own personal stuff maybe I'd roll the dice, but if I can't use CC (specifically Illustrator and InDesign) for paid work I'm really in hot water.
 
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Realityck said:
It had some caching issues with Safari that you needed to empty caches (develop menu). So hope the memory management is better over beta 9. No applications or kernel quitting instances.
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I've had so many problems with Safari that I ditched it on Ventura, even though it is my preferred browser. I hate Chrome. But the vast majority of pages I visit have refresh errors that are so bad, there are constant beach balls and errors where the page will simply stop trying to load and present an error in the middle of a blank page. Safari is utterly and completely unusable and has been so for the last three betas. It was working perfectly and blazingly fast before that. Now it's eternal beach balls.

Have you seen those Safari problems? I've tried all sorts of things like turning off ad measurement, IP hiding, and IP tracking and nothing helps. I've cleared cache, but that did nothing as well.

I had the same problem when they released the new Safari on Monterey, but turning off "allow privacy preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" eliminated the beach balls and stuttering. It did nothing for the Ventura version. Sad to see that the release notes say nothing about Safari.
 
tobybrut said:
I've had so many problems with Safari that I ditched it on Ventura, even though it is my preferred browser. I hate Chrome. But the vast majority of pages I visit have refresh errors that are so bad, there are constant beach balls and errors where the page will simply stop trying to load and present an error in the middle of a blank page. Safari is utterly and completely unusable and has been so for the last three betas. It was working perfectly and blazingly fast before that. Now it's eternal beach balls.

Have you seen those Safari problems? I've tried all sorts of things like turning off ad measurement, IP hiding, and IP tracking and nothing helps. I've cleared cache, but that did nothing as well.

I had the same problem when they released the new Safari on Monterey, but turning off "allow privacy preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" eliminated the beach balls and stuttering. It did nothing for the Ventura version. Sad to see that the release notes say nothing about Safari.
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Yes I seen those issues, on beta 7/8, on beta 9 I was hoping its was gone, as I was playing sVOD on Safari and I saw it a few times until I had emptied caches a couple of times.

On this latest beta 10 I haven't seen it yet. Multiple windows, with tabs. Of course will take a bit to test a mix of different video sites and various URLs in tabs grouping.
 
Realityck said:
Yes I seen those issues, on beta 7/8, on beta 9 I was hoping its was gone, as I was playing sVOD on Safari and I saw it a few times until I had emptied caches a couple of times.

On this latest beta 10 I haven't seen it yet. Multiple windows, with tabs. Of course will take a bit to test a mix of different video sites and various URLs in tabs grouping.
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Two of the sites that would not work on Safari are macrumors and 9to5mac. Neither would load at all on beta 9 but would beach ball a lot on beta 7/8. You'd see an error that flashes too quickly to see in a bar just under the Favorites bar and then the page goes completely black with an error message in the middle. I'm typing this on Safari, but on Monterey where it still works.

Update: I just installed the new beta 10 and the problem still occurs, making it four betas where it's broken. I even emptied the cache three times and no luck. Just going to macrumors main page will blink a couple of times as the page tries to load and then goes black with an error stating that an error has repeatedly occurred. It's still not fixed. I have no extensions loaded either, so Safari is simply unusable.

Chrome, which does not use WebKit on the Mac, works just fine.
 
tobybrut said:
Two of the sites that would not work on Safari are macrumors and 9to5mac. Neither would load at all on beta 9 but would beach ball a lot on beta 7/8. You'd see an error that flashes too quickly to see in a bar just under the Favorites bar and then the page goes completely black with an error message in the middle. I'm typing this on Safari, but on Monterey where it still works.

Update: I just installed the new beta 10 and the problem still occurs, making it four betas where it's broken. I even emptied the cache three times and no luck. Just going to macrumors main page will blink a couple of times as the page tries to load and then goes black with an error stating that an error has repeatedly occurred. It's still not fixed. I have no extensions loaded either, so Safari is simply unusable.

Chrome, which does not use WebKit on the Mac, works just fine.
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I am using Safari on a M1 iMac and a M1 Max 16" MBP, except for netflix requiring cookies to work, everything else is using private mode for other services/URLs.
 
ignatius345 said:
Sadly I'll probably have to wait at least to 13.1 for Creative Cloud to fully catch up. Adobe's Mac support is pretty abysmal.
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Perhaps a blessing in disguise.

Gives Apple time to polish Ventura and gives adobe time to polish their 2023 software. Which normally comes out end of October.
 
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Realityck said:
I am using Safari on a M1 iMac and a M1 Max 16" MBP, except for netflix requiring cookies to work, everything else is using private mode for other services/URLs.
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It seems to be JavaScript errors. If I turn off JavaScript, macrumors will load, but obviously no JavaScript seriously reduces utility. I've tried private mode, but that does no good.

I should make a correction. Chrome sort of works but now won't quit. Only force quitting will make it actually completely quit. The Chrome window disappears, but the blue dot under the Chrome icon won't go away, so I have to force quit.

I've basically tried everything I can think of, including changing DNS servers, clearing caches, clearing history, turning off every indirection feature (e.g. hiding IP), but no such luck. Add cultofmac to the pages that won't work at all. In fact the majority of pages won't load, but every once in a while I find one that stays up.

Maybe I'll have better luck on the next beta, but this one seems worse than the last since even Chrome is now affected in a way.
 
tobybrut said:
Two of the sites that would not work on Safari are macrumors and 9to5mac. Neither would load at all on beta 9 but would beach ball a lot on beta 7/8. You'd see an error that flashes too quickly to see in a bar just under the Favorites bar and then the page goes completely black with an error message in the middle. I'm typing this on Safari, but on Monterey where it still works.

Update: I just installed the new beta 10 and the problem still occurs, making it four betas where it's broken. I even emptied the cache three times and no luck. Just going to macrumors main page will blink a couple of times as the page tries to load and then goes black with an error stating that an error has repeatedly occurred. It's still not fixed. I have no extensions loaded either, so Safari is simply unusable.

Chrome, which does not use WebKit on the Mac, works just fine.
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tobybrut said:
It seems to be JavaScript errors. If I turn off JavaScript, macrumors will load, but obviously no JavaScript seriously reduces utility. I've tried private mode, but that does no good.

I should make a correction. Chrome sort of works but now won't quit. Only force quitting will make it actually completely quit. The Chrome window disappears, but the blue dot under the Chrome icon won't go away, so I have to force quit.

I've basically tried everything I can think of, including changing DNS servers, clearing caches, clearing history, turning off every indirection feature (e.g. hiding IP), but no such luck. Add cultofmac to the pages that won't work at all. In fact the majority of pages won't load, but every once in a while I find one that stays up.

Maybe I'll have better luck on the next beta, but this one seems worse than the last since even Chrome is now affected in a way.
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Did you run Safari after booting in safe mode, in case of Safari 3rd party extensions, or some utility effecting Safari like a adware blocker or malware software? You don't also have the technology preview safari also installed do you?
 
tobybrut said:
Two of the sites that would not work on Safari are macrumors and 9to5mac. Neither would load at all on beta 9 but would beach ball a lot on beta 7/8. You'd see an error that flashes too quickly to see in a bar just under the Favorites bar and then the page goes completely black with an error message in the middle. I'm typing this on Safari, but on Monterey where it still works.

Update: I just installed the new beta 10 and the problem still occurs, making it four betas where it's broken. I even emptied the cache three times and no luck. Just going to macrumors main page will blink a couple of times as the page tries to load and then goes black with an error stating that an error has repeatedly occurred. It's still not fixed. I have no extensions loaded either, so Safari is simply unusable.

Chrome, which does not use WebKit on the Mac, works just fine.
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Macrumors and 9 to 5 mac work on the current public beta (22A5358e) for me. Safari version16.1
 
Realityck said:
Did you run Safari after booting in safe mode, in case of Safari 3rd party extensions, or some utility effecting Safari like a adware blocker or malware software?
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I deleted all extensions (they were all off to start with and have been throughout the beta, but I figured I'd just uninstall them altogether, which is a major pain since I had to delete apps). I don't run ad blockers. I'm on the latest beta, just installed about 30 minutes ago. It's running on an M1 Max 16" MBP. I don't have the beta running on any of my other Macs. As I mentioned before, Safari 16 misbehaved on those Monterey machines, too, but shutting off the one config eliminated the beach balls. When beta 7 Ventura was initially installed, my Monterey machines all had the 16 update for Safari at the same time. That's when all the problems began.
 
when will the old and much nicer system preferences UI come back? Beta 33? the system preferences with iOS style is definitely not good for the desktop/laptop macOS. I am second tired of infinite scrolling up and down and infinite clicking before I can reach to the page/feature I want. DOH.
 
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I’m still seeing macOS completely crash and reboot when going to sleep.
 
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