Apple Seeds Third Beta of iOS 10.3 to Developers

[akhedraki]

Anybody else have a bug where the battery usage stats don't show up? I've had this problem since beta 2 and, so far, beta 3 hasn't seemed to fix it.
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Anybody else have a bug where the battery usage stats don't show up? I've had this problem since beta 2 and, so far, beta 3 hasn't seemed to fix it.

I take that back. Beta 3 has actually resolved this issue. Just took a few more minutes of using the phone. Suppose this information can be useful to anyone who was having that issue in beta 2. Carry on!

 

[MR-LIZARD]

There is ZERO technical reason that Apple has to cut off 32-bit app support. Even Windows still supports 32-bit software! This is nothing more than a ploy by Apple to get people to upgrade their hardware.

I want Apple to cut the nonsense and let their customers continue to use "old" applications.

Zero technical reasons isn't strictly true. If they're having to maintain 32bit and 64bit APIs you're giving your development team additional coding work. You then need to test both 32/64 bit API's, plug security holes, etc. If you're supporting both you're doubling your workload.

Seeing as Apple released 64-bit processors on the 5S back in 2013 and has been asking developers to update their Apps ever since it's not a new idea. Perhaps the proportion of 32-bit Apps in the App Store that are being used is so low that it's disproportionate to the resources Apple needs to plough into 32-bit it to keep it running along.

Windows goes out of their way to support old or poorly programmed software to maintain the status quo. If you check out Raymond Chen's "The Old New Thing" blog you can see where MS bend over backwards to keep things ticking over.

 

[PipSeg]

[doublepost=1487616673][/doublepost]"App compatibility" is a nice touch.
But pretty much useless if developers has no intention updating their app.
Some app are rotting untouched in the AppStore since 2013..

Please NEVER quote the original post... it is quite redundant.

 

[bennyf]

I don't see the compatibility settings menu -- looking exactly where described and on the new dev beta. I'm guessing that means I don't have any troublesome apps. Kind of surprising that they don't have a 'yay all your apps are good' screen.

 

[CarlJ]

Copies therefore won’t use more space unless they are changed, and copy actions happen instantly, because no data is copied at the time a copy is made. APFS also handles meta data a bit differently and can give much quicker and current insight into space usage.

I knew this in general, about APFS, but discussing it in terms of iOS makes me think that this has the potential to make app updates much less of a CPU-and-storage hog than they currently are, if Apple were to implement delta updates for apps (app containing 2,000 files gets updated, but only 50 files change - iOS downloads delta update, makes a no-cost copy of current app and applies delta to that copy, then if it patching is uneventful and new app verifies successfully, old version of app can be deleted, and new copy continues to use 1,950 files from old app, without transporting or storing a copy of them).

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Neat. Now add a virtualization layer so that I can use my old apps as long as I want.

 

[johnalex]

The ‘app compatibility’ section is something they should have done immediately, rather than alert dialogs. Apple seems to be getting really serious about these warnings, which may indeed point to a complete removal of the 32-bit libraries very soon.

I do t see app compatability. And I know some of mine are not.

 

[Jnesbitt82]

Just left a review for an app that hasn't been updated since 2014 letting them know it won't work soon. It's an important app too, Blackboard. Every college uses it.

I use to use blackboard several years ago. It seems like back then, they sent out an update once a month. Sorry to hear it hasn't updated since 2014.

 

[dannyyankou]

I use to use blackboard several years ago. It seems like back then, they sent out an update once a month. Sorry to hear it hasn't updated since 2014.

Someone actually pointed out to me that they launched a new app recently. But it would've been cool if they sent me a notification about it or something. The new app only has 320 reviews while the old one has over 13,000, they haven't don't a good job at letting student know about the update.

 

[Xaositek]

There's some new additions to iOS 10.3 Beta 3 for CarPlay tweaks including removing unused items. This is with my 2016 Chevy Silverado LT

Edit: All items can be reordered - added screenshot for when you remove a default item

 

[SvP]

I'm assuming that this is gonna serve as a test for APFS before it is released for Macs.

It's already available in beta form on the sierra beta's.. and working pretty solid.

 

[33man]

Just wondering if this the way Apple found to force iPads 2-3... Users to finally upgrade?

I can understand somehow but let face it, today, the development are publishing app both for 32 and 64 bits no?

 

[Shirasaki]

[doublepost=1487616673][/doublepost]"App compatibility" is a nice touch.
But pretty much useless if developers has no intention updating their app.
Some app are rotting untouched in the AppStore since 2013..

I have a handful apps that was never updated since 2012, one of them was because developer stopped updating it anymore after contacting him.
I now only have an iPhone 4 and iPad mini to use them if I want.

 

[chucker23n1]

There is ZERO technical reason that Apple has to cut off 32-bit app support. Even Windows still supports 32-bit software!

64-bit versions of Windows don't support 16-bit software. Granted, that's quite a different scale, but it's the same problem. At some point, you either kill off legacy components, or you carry an ever growing burden with you. Apple has always leant on the side of aggressively pushing forward, whereas Microsoft tends to be quite conservative with compatibility. Neither is an inherently better approach.

This is nothing more than a ploy by Apple to get people to upgrade their hardware.

No, it's a "ploy" to allow their engineers to focus on the future, rather than getting increasingly stuck in the past.

 

[HatMine]

Regarding app compatibility; When iOS 11 is released, and 32-bit support is (probably) dropped, the newest 32-bit device that Apple made will be 5 years old and the first 64-bit device (iPhone 5S) will be 4 years old. I would argue that one would have to be arrogant to believe that Apple should be forced to continue to support more than 4 year old apps and devices.

For those who want to continue to use these old apps it is very simple; Do not update to iOS 11 when it comes out, or try to get in contact with the developer of the app. The rest of us will happily move on and focus on the future of iOS, which is currently being held back by 32-bit support.

 

[brandon0409]

My question is... When are they going to fix the bug that makes it so iOS 10 will be compatible with Mac OSX 10.7? I haven't upgraded to 10 because of this problem. The computer wouldn't even recognize that my phone is attached. Technically iTunes would not recognize there was even an update because I'm stuck at iTunes 12.1. Long story short. After many upgrades and downgrades on different computers, I've been stranded on iOS 9. Whatever.
[doublepost=1487681804][/doublepost]Oh... And how about when I search for music, that it natively searches my phone first instead of the iTunes Store. I never buy from the store. All my music is on my phone. Search there first.

 

[Jimmy James]

Same my battery has been dire. I can loose 30% in just over an hour doing little to nothing. Feels like I have my iPhone 4 with me. I am tempted to use a battery pack just to get through the day right now.

Don't care what they do apart from this but the battery needs fixing.

Currently on a 6 but the best battery life I've ever had was the 4.

 

[NightFox]

There is ZERO technical reason that Apple has to cut off 32-bit app support. Even Windows still supports 32-bit software! This is nothing more than a ploy by Apple to get people to upgrade their hardware.

I'm struggling to follow your logic there - how is stopping 32-bit apps working forcing people to upgrade their hardware? If anything, I'd have thought the opposite was true!
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App Compatibility not available in Canada.

I don't see the compatibility settings menu -- looking exactly where described and on the new dev beta. I'm guessing that means I don't have any troublesome apps. Kind of surprising that they don't have a 'yay all your apps are good' screen.

I do t see app compatability. And I know some of mine are not.

In Settings>General>About there's not a separate "App Compatibility" menu - where you see the list, i.e.

Network
Songs
Videos
Photos
Applications <--tap this!
Capacity
etc​

you have to tap on the Applications entry in the list. Of course you might be trying this already, but I was looking for a separate menu before I twigged on.

 

[cmaier]

One app that's showing up in "app compatibility" for me is JBL Audio. This app is the only way to configure equalizer settings on a JBL speaker I have.

I've already tweeted JBL about this; hopefully they update the app. But it's a bit sad that Apple is basically forcing us to not be able to use certain apps anymore if the developers don't update them. The apps still work FINE, there's no reason to break them on purpose!

So does the OS. If you need the app, don't update the OS.

 

[LoveToMacRumors]

I'm struggling to follow your logic there - how is stopping 32-bit apps working forcing people to upgrade their hardware? If anything, I'd have thought the opposite was true!
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In Settings>General>About there's not a separate "App Compatibility" menu - where you see the list, i.e.

Network
Songs
Videos
Photos
Applications <--tap this!
Capacity
etc​

you have to tap on the Applications entry in the list. Of course you might be trying this already, but I was looking for a separate menu before I twigged on.

Tried it, doesn't work.

 

[sbailey4]

Tried it, doesn't work.

Then you may not have any old apps. If you dont, the > is not there and only # of installed apps shows. If you have older apps then you get the > and can see the next screen.

 

[Paulcs95]

6s Plus was having major battery drain on first two betas. Hoping they got the kinks worked out.

I got my iPhone battery replaced for free since it was under a certain condition of diagnostic. Maybe you should go and get a new battery. It would be worth it. Before you do use Lirum info to Check your battery details to see how much percentage os the battery wear out. That Is what it is at now and I am on the beta and it's not that bad of battery life. Before it was around 80 percent. And I called apple and asked then to do a diagnostics on the battery and they said it was close to the maximum full charges and she said they can replace the battery before it hits 500 charges afterwards you have to pay 70 or 80 dollars to get a replacement battery.

 

[Zadigre]

one little issue so far with beta 3... every time I reboot my device, it asks me to verify my AppleID by entering the password. I've tried to disconnect/reconnect iCloud... with the same result.

if I click not now when it's asking for the password, everything is working as usual... iMessage, Facetime, app store, apple music are all fine. But I'm still getting this password prompt when rebooting.

Anyone with the same inconvenience?

 

[uandme72]

one little issue so far with beta 3... every time I reboot my device, it asks me to verify my AppleID by entering the password. I've tried to disconnect/reconnect iCloud... with the same result.

if I click not now when it's asking for the password, everything is working as usual... iMessage, Facetime, app store, apple music are all fine. But I'm still getting this password prompt when rebooting.

Anyone with the same inconvenience?

Yes.

 

[6836838]

Zero technical reasons isn't strictly true. If they're having to maintain 32bit and 64bit APIs you're giving your development team additional coding work. You then need to test both 32/64 bit API's, plug security holes, etc. If you're supporting both you're doubling your workload.

Seeing as Apple released 64-bit processors on the 5S back in 2013 and has been asking developers to update their Apps ever since it's not a new idea. Perhaps the proportion of 32-bit Apps in the App Store that are being used is so low that it's disproportionate to the resources Apple needs to plough into 32-bit it to keep it running along.

Windows goes out of their way to support old or poorly programmed software to maintain the status quo. If you check out Raymond Chen's "The Old New Thing" blog you can see where MS bend over backwards to keep things ticking over.

Plus it will free up a lot of well needed space without the required 32b libraries.