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And that's where good leadership comes in. Apple used to have that vision and leadership, which is why the UI was so heralded. Every little bit was thought out--as was the way in which the pieces would fit together.

Nowadays, it's a hodgepodge of inconsistency. A lot of people have written on this extensively, so I won't repeat their work here. Suffice it to say that Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave right now--both with regard to the aesthetics and the functionality of the features. The iOS settings menu is a great example. The amount of nested and, worse, oddly placed bits (ever taken a tour through the "Accessibility" menu? yeech...) reminds me of Windows back in the day--when it deserved the ridicule it got.

So perhaps you're right. More hands on deck might not help. But given the overall direction of things, I seriously doubt some good hands would hurt.
Like the leather stitching and green felt? ;)

Pretty sure that Steve Jobs was around to see and probably even be involved to one degree or another of how the new UI and related elements of iOS 7 were being designed and even put together.
 
In this very beta, I can go into Photos, select a photo and Message it.

In this beta I also can’t share a link in Safari via Messages. When I hit the share button, and then Messages, the screen flashes and nothing happens.

Anyone else?
 
iPhone 6+

Apply Pay: 8-10 seconds before ready for fingerprint
Siri: 15+seconds from home button click until ready to accept queries. "Hey Siri" can take up to 20 seconds.
Messages: 5 seconds to load and refresh screen
Mail: 5-8 seconds

I'm quite displeased with the performance.

Not to mention... how many seconds to open up the camera?
 
No. No no no no. And no.

A product is not "fine" if a significant number of people are having issues.

You seem to be under some crazy notion that if most people don't have issues, that makes a software product fine. That's so absurdly wrong it isn't even funny. A product is only "fine" if the number of people having issues is very very small.

The lack of logic and critical reasoning in some posts is downright appalling.
Careful my friend with your own logic or lack thereof. I don't think you you understand the concept of "significant number of people are having issues" since I don't think you have access to the data that Apple surely compiles. How many hundreds of millions of iPhones out there are running iOS 11 at this point? Significant would certainly mean that tens or even hundreds of millions are having issues such as you seem to be having. If that were the case Apple support would come to a screeching halt immediately. The fact is that yes many may be having issues with stability, performance, battery life, etc. but how many of these devices having faulty hardware such as flaky batteries or software compatibility issues as a result of lazy third party developers not updating or fixing their cheesy applications all of which causes potential problems with an iPhone? The fact is an iPhone or an iPad are complex devices that are made even more complex with the layers of OS, first party apps and of course third party apps. All I am saying be careful where you lay the blame for perceived issues. By the way in my case I am running iOS 11.1 Beta 3 on an iPhone 7 Plus and on a 2017 iPad without any issue whatsoever whether performance, stability or battery life. At the same time I am running iOS 11.0.3 equally well on an iPhone 6 (only 16GB) as well as an iPhone 7 and 9.7" iPad Pro in the same household. All in all a very very good experiences with iOS 11. Trust me if I were having issues of any sort I would be first in line filing feedback reports.
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Sure it “works” but how is battery life? How is lag opening apps where there was none in ios10? There is tons of issues with iOS 11.
My 7+ used to be super fast and now is laggy with a lot of things and battery life is complete crap now.
Works and works better than previous iOS is completely different things.
No issues here either on an iPhone 7 Plus and 2017 iPad running iOS 11.1 Beta 3 as well as an iPhone 6, iPhone 7 and 9.7 iPad Pro running iOS 11.0.3. Solid release all the way around as far as performance, stability, battery and of course all the great new and appreciated features especially on the iPads. Maybe I am just blessed or lucky but I am very happy with iOS 11.
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Claiming that the issues are limited to a "few hundred (or thousand)" is what's known as a claim without a warrant. In layman's terms, you're just making **** up.
Actually you are just pulling fake facts to suit your own conclusions. Like I said earlier, define significant? In my world I am constantly asking real world users about their experience with iOS 11 and guess what? A happy crowd out there. Not even close to being scientific but certainly indicate that the world is falling because of some flaw on a piece of hardware. Just because you are having issues does not mean everyone is. So take your "claim without a warrant" back to some classroom somewhere.
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It's a complete mess. Apps crashing, Notes app not responding for 3 seconds when I use the pencil to add something to a note, pushing home button 3 times during FaceTime audio call to get to my home screen or another app, camera hangings, not responding, search not working. Both on iPad Pro 10, iPhone8 en iPhone 7Plus. I'm seriously considering getting an Android phone. I cannot rely on these devices anymore.

Oh did I add my Apple Watch is already empty by 18:00 and not 22:00? And my Macbook Pro Touch Bar has random wifi issues, looks connected, but internet stops for 2 mins)

Apple fix your ****! WHO CARES ABOUT EMOJIS??
Yes by all means go get an Android/Windows devices if you are so unhappy with your Apple gear. That will solve all your problems and those of the world.
 
It's absolutely telling when most of the ink (pixels) on a booster site's announcement of an OS update is for emoji.

The company that still uses "think different" as their marketing slogan can't anymore, apparently. That's enraging, and deeply troubling.
 
It's absolutely telling when most of the ink (pixels) on a booster site's announcement of an OS update is for emoji.

The company that still uses "think different" as their marketing slogan can't anymore, apparently. That's enraging, and deeply troubling.
The telling part seems to be more on how much some seem to get stuck on emoji not even looking at or seeing anything else.
 
No issues here either on an iPhone 7 Plus and 2017 iPad running iOS 11.1 Beta 3 as well as an iPhone 6, iPhone 7 and 9.7 iPad Pro running iOS 11.0.3. Solid release all the way around as far as performance, stability, battery and of course all the great new and appreciated features especially on the iPads. Maybe I am just blessed or lucky but I am very happy with iOS 11.
I dont think you notice or really see imperfections then. Some people(most of the general population) doesn't notice ui issues.
They are there. Lots more where introduced with iOS 11.
I literally have had my 7+ freeze two times yesterday in an app had to hard reboot. I really dont know whats up with the software.
 
Amen to this. Everyone keeps talking about how there are "different teams," and while that's definitely true, the aesthetics and lack of attention to detail in the GUI are straight up bad. That team desperately needs some good designers.

Also, unrelated, I love your signature.
Thanks. :)
 
I dont think you notice or really see imperfections then. Some people(most of the general population) doesn't notice ui issues.
They are there. Lots more where introduced with iOS 11.
I literally have had my 7+ freeze two times yesterday in an app had to hard reboot. I really dont know whats up with the software.
Have you considered that it might be that "app" that is causing the freeze? If it's a third party app you need to bark at the developer. I'm a developer and don't consider myself a member of the "general public" but even so I simply am not having issues with iOS 11. Needless to say, as with all software specifically iOS, it will get better and more optimized with every update.
 
Careful my friend with your own logic or lack thereof. I don't think you you understand the concept of "significant number of people are having issues" since I don't think you have access to the data that Apple surely compiles. How many hundreds of millions of iPhones out there are running iOS 11 at this point? Significant would certainly mean that tens or even hundreds of millions are having issues such as you seem to be having. If that were the case Apple support would come to a screeching halt immediately. The fact is that yes many may be having issues with stability, performance, battery life, etc. but how many of these devices having faulty hardware such as flaky batteries or software compatibility issues as a result of lazy third party developers not updating or fixing their cheesy applications all of which causes potential problems with an iPhone? The fact is an iPhone or an iPad are complex devices that are made even more complex with the layers of OS, first party apps and of course third party apps. All I am saying be careful where you lay the blame for perceived issues. By the way in my case I am running iOS 11.1 Beta 3 on an iPhone 7 Plus and on a 2017 iPad without any issue whatsoever whether performance, stability or battery life. At the same time I am running iOS 11.0.3 equally well on an iPhone 6 (only 16GB) as well as an iPhone 7 and 9.7" iPad Pro in the same household. All in all a very very good experiences with iOS 11. Trust me if I were having issues of any sort I would be first in line filing feedback reports.
Your attempts at insults aside, you should have spent more time reading what I wrote than writing a long-winded but ultimately futile reply. But let's be clear, shall we?
  • I made no claims myself about the absolute number of issues. I simply stated that there is no evidence to support the assertion that the number of people having issues is small is just that--an assertion. As for it being "significant," it is. Significant is not the same as substantial, nor is it the same as large. In fact, to use the dictionary, it means "
    "important; of consequence." That's a pretty apt adjective.
  • You also refer to "issues such as you seem to be having." Yeah, um, I didn't say I was having any issues. So once again, reading would have been really helpful.
  • You veer off the logic path more with idle speculation about hardware issues. However, that speculation really is irrelevant here as it's unlikely in the case of issues that there is a "hardware" issue that magically causes a new iOS to fail whereas a prior one was doing well.
  • You then go on to talk about how you personally are running a beta "without any issue whatsoever" as if an anecdotal example, sample size N=1, has any bearing on, well, anything. This gets back to the central point I made about logic.

Actually you are just pulling fake facts to suit your own conclusions. Like I said earlier, define significant? In my world I am constantly asking real world users about their experience with iOS 11 and guess what? A happy crowd out there. Not even close to being scientific but certainly indicate that the world is falling because of some flaw on a piece of hardware. Just because you are having issues does not mean everyone is. So take your "claim without a warrant" back to some classroom somewhere.
Nope, since as (per above) you didn't actually read what I typed and therefore are alleging something that isn't true about what I said. For the first time in your rambling and incoherent post, though, were you on the right path when you admitted that your experience is "not even close to being scientific." So bravo there.

But then you go back to this "Just because you are having issues does not mean everyone is" line—as if that matters. I don't understand why this point is so difficult to grasp. It's not necessary for "everyone" to have a problem for something to BE a problem. It's not even necessary for a very large number of people to have a problem for something to BE a problem. Something IS a problem if more than a very small number of users are affected. This is Product Development 101 (something I've been paid very well to do, for what it's worth).

This would almost be comical if it weren't so damned sad.
 
The real question is: will 11.1 beta 3 be compatible with the official Xcode? I had to downgrade back to 11.0.3 to test.

You should switch to Xcode-beta via the developers’ webpage. They roll out updated versions as they release new iOS beta iterations. You’ll also need to switch the default Xcode version via Terminal. It’s definitely a good idea to look up how to switch them.
 
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