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Apple Seeds Third macOS Sierra 10.12.1 Beta to Developers

Keep in mind that Apple secretly had OS X up and running on Intel since 10.0 "just in case".

They could have secretly had OS X in full up and running on ARM since the iPhone debut for the same reason.

(I wouldn't be surprised if they still maintained a build running on IBM's current POWER series.)
 
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btrach144 said:
12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12 is also coming very soon
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There is a reference inside 12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12 to the new mac pro, aka the beast: 12 20-core xeons v7 running at 999 PHz, 800 EB of RAM 1500 PCIe14 SSDs, 500 ZB each, 6000 32X PCIe14 slots,
6000 USB 6 ports as well as 20000 Thunderbolt 10 ones. The price is not set yet but it's expected to cost as much as a small solar system.

PS. Do not bother with the math, it does not check out...
 
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lunarworks said:
Keep in mind that Apple secretly had OS X up and running on Intel since 10.0 "just in case".

They could have secretly had OS X in full up and running on ARM since the iPhone debut for the same reason.

(I wouldn't be surprised if they still maintained a build running on IBM's current POWER series.)
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Maybe but they could also have thrown us a red herring to throw us off the scent and will slip something else out while we're pre-occupied. E.g. a stealth update to Mac Pro! Okay that was cruel but you get the general idea.
 
fredr500 said:
I know when IBM was making the processor for Macs they made more $$ per machine than Apple did. I see the ARM talk as a chance for Apple to quit paying Intel for processors and keep the profit in-house.
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Back to the mid nineties in other words. I always felt that adopting Intel's processors was a good solid move. Moving macs towards ARM seems 'not right" unless of course apple wants to do away with the mac line and only sell ipads and iphones.
 
eVasilis said:
There is a reference inside 12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12 to the new mac pro, aka the beast: 12 20-core xeons v7 running at 999 PHz, 800 EB of RAM 1500 PCIe14 SSDs, 500 ZB each, 6000 32X PCIe14 slots,
6000 USB 6 ports as well as 20000 Thunderbolt 10 ones. The price is not set yet but it's expected to cost as much as a small solar system.

PS. Do not bother with the math, it does not check out...
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And that's just the minimum specs to run 12.12.12.12.12.12.12.12
 
dogslobber said:
Maybe but they could also have thrown us a red herring to throw us off the scent and will slip something else out while we're pre-occupied. E.g. a stealth update to Mac Pro! Okay that was cruel but you get the general idea.
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Nah, that's not how Apple does things. Stuff doesn't get in code like that without a reason.

Also, just look at how the name change to macOS was uncovered.

Anyway, I don't like the idea of an ARM-based Mac, but if all it takes for most devs is to toggle a compile switch in Xcode, I can see it being viable for a lightweight MacBook (not Pro) and an eventual iOS convergence.
 
a_coorn said:
It's a popular myth that RISC is better because of 1 instruction per clock
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But I'm not saying it's better or worse. It's just a number, and a number that you had wrong (RISC was already at 1 IPC, CISC had to fight to reach it). That's it.

It's you who is trying to make it sound better or worse. For the rest of the world, that fight ended 15 years ago.

a_coorn said:
, yes, it's cleaner, but Intel has done some amazing optimisations to its CISC architecture, where it almost emulates RISC when there's an advantage but is able to execute complex CISC instructions where needed, whereas in RISC you use simpler instructions to build up more complex ones, resulting in more complex, less efficient compilers and assemblers as well as generally code that is not as well optimised.
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No, you have it wrong. AMD64 (and x86 since the 486) are internally RISC, with a CISC "shell". The "optimisation" you mention is just that: they emptied the CISC shell and put inside a RISC-like processor. Optimisation at the compiler level has nothing to do with that.

In fact, you again seem to have it backwards: CISC had lots of instructions that were in practice unused by compilers, so they were useless baggage for the processor - since barely any code is written in assembler these days. RISC simply saved that useless processor real state. That's why RISC processors had bigger caches earlier than CISC processors.
 
Anyone else that have a problem with Mail on this beta? Mail have started to get a life of its own. When i quit Mail, a couple of minutes later it opens again for some reason. If i hide Mail instead of quitting it, it will activate the main window from time to time so i have to keep hiding it.
 
cube said:
That does not exist.
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Neither do you.
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keysofanxiety said:
There was a time when people said similar things about a graphical operating system.

And there are plenty of people whose iPads help them to achieve incredible work. Industries such as science, medicine, graphic design — you know, those industries that are dominated by babies and really old people.
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No. This is different.
 
Hey, my Swedish flag is gone! (Longer explanation): I have US and Swedish keyboards installed and I usually have a flag in the menu bar..now it says US and SE instead where the background is just a white box instead of a flag...
 
I've heard lots of people with 3rd party software issues. I have lots of plugins so am waiting for quite a bit until I can avoid those. .3 or .4 are usually better. El Capitan took a while too. I really wish they would leave core stuff alone for a bit so we can we can enjoy some stability.
 
Why bother updating MacOS, its not as if they ship computers any more. Amirite? If they spent as much time filling the mac line up as they do diversity quoters, we would be ready for a second refresh by now.
 
forerunnerg34 said:
Yes, but...
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While I can personally see some frustration among some very high-end users of these products, the majority of the people that start the "waiting for 'blah'" threads are really wasting time when they could be using a computer that would more than adequately meet their needs, much better than the privacy-leaking Windows 10 alternative.
 
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Just entertaining an idea;

I wonder how hard would it be to have a dual cpu design. An ARM and an Intel, like the discrete / integrated GPU stuff. I guess they'd need to run two kernels to support that and it would be so messy on the hardware to even bother. Has there ever been any product like that? That would make the switch 10 times easier and provide a lot more battery life for ARM builds of applications.
 
eknkc said:
Just entertaining an idea;

I wonder how hard would it be to have a dual cpu design. An ARM and an Intel, like the discrete / integrated GPU stuff. I guess they'd need to run two kernels to support that and it would be so messy on the hardware to even bother. Has there ever been any product like that? That would make the switch 10 times easier and provide a lot more battery life for ARM builds of applications.
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They are such different architectures, I am not sure it would be an idea worth pursuing. But who knows as secretive as Apple is - developing an x86 version of OS X beside the PowerPC version for many years...
 
JesperA said:
Anyone else that have a problem with Mail on this beta? Mail have started to get a life of its own. When i quit Mail, a couple of minutes later it opens again for some reason. If i hide Mail instead of quitting it, it will activate the main window from time to time so i have to keep hiding it.
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I have never heard of mail opening by itself, you either have some kind of script running or an App running that wants to send an email and open the Mail App.
There is another reason it could be opened, malware but I never ever had Malware on my Mac and I use Macs for 16 years, started on MacOS 9, had OS X installed since 10.0 beta, so the chance is really really low.
I not aware of any malware opening an App either.


agradable said:
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A sure sign of the impending new MacBook Pros with OLED touch strip?
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Erm... NO
 
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