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Obviously many posters on here don't understand the concept of "trade dress". One would never mistake a Nexus for an iPhone, but one can easily mistake a Samsung Galaxy for the iPhone. Samsung is going to lose, because they are trading on Apple's design, plain and simple.
 
Obviously many posters on here don't understand the concept of "trade dress". One would never mistake a Nexus for an iPhone, but one can easily mistake a Samsung Galaxy for the iPhone. Samsung is going to lose, because they are trading on Apple's design, plain and simple.

Which of the Galaxy variants?

And let's not forget about the Samsung's patents Apple is being sued for. My guess is Apple will lose in that area.
 
Obviously many posters on here don't understand the concept of "trade dress". One would never mistake a Nexus for an iPhone, but one can easily mistake a Samsung Galaxy for the iPhone. Samsung is going to lose, because they are trading on Apple's design, plain and simple.

The same can be said about any wannabe-designer ware. Yet, they are abundant, and sold legally - produced by billion dollar corporations. Its obviously not as clear cut as you make it out to be.
 
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Thats my fav. :eek:
 
No, i dont think this case will be decided without a full investigation. Where did i state that?

I was just responding to your claim that this alleged misrepresentation will matter.

But answer me this: If it doesnt matter, why did Apple go to such lengths to show similarities beyond what is there? Youre arguing against yourself here.

They didn't go to great lengths. They scaled the pictures to be the same size to illustrate the similarities that Apple believes to exist.
 
They didn't go to great lengths. They scaled the pictures to be the same size to illustrate the similarities that Apple believes to exist.

If the issue is about look and feel, the aspect ratio shouldn't have been changed. Afaik, aspect ratio is an important part of look/feel of an electronic gadget.
 
If the issue is about look and feel, the aspect ratio shouldn't have been changed. Afaik, aspect ratio is an important part of look/feel of an electronic gadget.

Apple's claims and design registration are not reported to have mentioned size or aspect ratio.
 
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Obviously many posters on here don't understand the concept of "trade dress". One would never mistake a Nexus for an iPhone, but one can easily mistake a Samsung Galaxy for the iPhone. Samsung is going to lose, because they are trading on Apple's design, plain and simple.

did u even read the article? apple wants all of the samaung smarthphone line up to be banned including the nexus which looks NOTHING like any apple product
 
Obviously many posters on here don't understand the concept of "trade dress". One would never mistake a Nexus for an iPhone, but one can easily mistake a Samsung Galaxy for the iPhone. Samsung is going to lose, because they are trading on Apple's design, plain and simple.

IANAL, but I've partied at a Holiday Inn Express recently. And I've done a lot of research over the past few years. In the US, at least, a trade dress case has to pass three tests:

1) Functionality. If a design is required for a certain type of product to be functional, or it greatly affects the cost to make it a different way, then you cannot protect that design. Since it's not a required design, the iPad passes this test.

2) Distinctiveness. Is the design unique in that field? I think the iPad fails this part.

If it's not unique, then has it acquired secondary meaning? Apple will hope to prove that just the shape says "iPad" to most people. But then test (3) becomes most important:

3) Likelihood of Confusion. This is the tricky one. Just looking similar doesn't cut it. The question is, would a normal consumer actually buy the wrong device, thinking it was either made, or authorized, by Apple?

Usually the more expensive and well known an item, the less likely to pass this test. For instance, in real life not many people pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for an item without knowing at least a tiny bit about them. (The courts aren't going to believe that you bought a Hyundai thinking that it was a Mercedes.)

How well known the products / makers are also plays a part. The lawsuit over Excedrin PM and Tylonel PM using the same suffix and similar packaging was dismissed because the well known names Excedrin and Tylonel took precedence in avoiding customer confusion. This is partly behind the debate over whether or not the Samsung name is shown.

Again, IANAL and I'm hoping that Cmaier will add more info.
 
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Look too similar to me. But you can expect that. Success is always copied.
 
I do enjoy the fact that Samsung seem to be taking the piss with their new television remote.

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I've seen this in the flesh (we stock televisions with this remote where I work) and it looks exactly like one of the cheap Chinese iPhone knockoffs, so much so that it wouldn't surprise me if they shared the same chassis.
 
The more stories like this, the more I'm starting to think this is about one thing and one thing only.

The iPhone 5 won't be groundbreaking. It will not be able to stop the surge of Android phones. It will not be good enough to really outshine the best that Samsung or HTC can offer. And in a couple of months there will be new phones from Samsung and HTC, while the next iPhone will be a year or so away.

And that's why Apple is now doing everything they can to get Samsung phones and tablets banned in the EU.

Because that's the only thing they have left.
 
EU version of Tab has Samsung logo on it. Apple's lawyers presented images (part of EVIDENCE in court) that doesn't show Samsung logo, thanks to some quick photoshopping. Don't lawyers get disbarred for tampering with evidence?

That would be too easy. Why not to serve time? There is nothing special of being layer - they are capable of serving time just like anyone else.:D
 
The more stories like this, the more I'm starting to think this is about one thing and one thing only.

The iPhone 5 won't be groundbreaking. It will not be able to stop the surge of Android phones. It will not be good enough to really outshine the best that Samsung or HTC can offer. And in a couple of months there will be new phones from Samsung and HTC, while the next iPhone will be a year or so away.

And that's why Apple is now doing everything they can to get Samsung phones and tablets banned in the EU.

Because that's the only thing they have left.

I'm inclined to agree. Have you used a Galaxy S2? I have one, and I am so happy with it! (Only problem so far is a battery drain issue, nothing I can't handle though). It's fast, it's sleek, it's really nice to use and I'm loving Android (coming from iOS). Don't even get me started on how much I love the screen!

Don't get me wrong, Apple DO make good phones, and many people prefer their systems (With good reason, iOS does have some nice features).

To be honest I think the biggest issue here is that the iPhone wasn't released in June, meaning all those people on a 3GS Contract had the option to wait (many not willing), upgrade to a phone that'll be outdated soon (who would do that?) or search for an alternative. Apple will have lost quite a few people on contracts as a result of this, nothing super major, but enough to make a difference.
 
Yep, they're lying about the phone(s) now too, using doctored photos

This is just disgusting

I couldn't have said it any better or agree more.

Apple is taking it way too far now and my opinion of them (an apple fanboy for last 14 years) has taken a nose dive.

I have recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy S2 and I love it. My loyalty to Apple is no more for what it's worth!
 
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Apple's brief in these cases clearly noted the sizes of the respective products.

The dimensions were quickly noted in a paragraph with no photos on that page to mentally compare to. In fact, far from noting the differences, Apple claimed they were very alike (emphasis mine):

"Finally, in this context note that the dimensions of the two Products are very similar (iPad 2 (width / height / depth): 241.2 x 185.7 x 8.8 mm; Galaxy Tab 10.1 (width / height / depth): 257 x 175 x 8.6 mm)" - Apple

The case is about the totality of the design. The fact that the Samsung products are designed in such a way that the average consumer could very well mistake them for Apple products. Its about the metal bezel, the single button, the lack of ports, and the similarity of the icons.

The Tab doesn't have a Home button. Neither does the Apple design document. There's nothing in the German brief about ports or the similarity of icons.

The Judge in the German case didn't base his decision on the photos. He based it on his physical examination of the actual products
There is no evidence that the judge saw actual products. Apple's own brief admitted that they did not possess a EU Tab version. Not that it matters: supposedly, the judge had no choice but to automatically grant the injunction and set up a hearing date.

Apple's claim is that their community design filing was violated because Samsung used *six* elements of its design together. You've pointed out some rectangles with rounded edges, but I don't see any of the other five elements in these designs (edge to edge glass, metal rim, etc.).

1) Apple's design filing had NO list of design elements to violate.

2) The list of design elements in the brief were Apple's own enumeration of what they thought was branding between the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad:

"(The iPad) was based on design elements that are present in other (Apple) products -- in particular the iPhone and iPod touch, so that the unique and innovative Apple design elements and features of the products were transferred to a new product." - Apple
 
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2384...accurate_evidence_in_samsung_patent_case.html

"Apple has filed inaccurate evidence again in a case against Samsung, this time in the Netherlands, where the company is arguing Samsung's Galaxy S smartphones are too similar to its iPhone 3G"

What a joke!
Apple posted photos of the products side by side, with slightly different magnifications to demonstrate how strikingly similar they are (the 10% size difference, when viewing the devices side by side, makes them appear more dissimilar than they actually are). If someone with no hands-on time with either device were to view them independently, that person may have difficulty distinguishing between them, and given the much higher public awareness of the iPhone, would likely identify the Samsung as an iPhone.

So, yes, the Samsung is slightly taller and wider than the iPhone, but are you suggesting that a making a device marginally bigger than the one it is copying actually makes it unique?

Edit: if Apple is granted this injunction, I hope that the failure of webOS and the restriction of Android devices doesn't cause Apple to lose its edge in terms of innovation, or this could actually lead to Apple's eventual demise. I believe that competition, as long as it is fair and ethical, can be a great motivator to keep Apple and the rest of the tech industry moving forward.
 
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The more stories like this, the more I'm starting to think this is about one thing and one thing only.

The iPhone 5 won't be groundbreaking. It will not be able to stop the surge of Android phones. It will not be good enough to really outshine the best that Samsung or HTC can offer. And in a couple of months there will be new phones from Samsung and HTC, while the next iPhone will be a year or so away.

And that's why Apple is now doing everything they can to get Samsung phones and tablets banned in the EU.

Because that's the only thing they have left.

Pretty good point there mate. I actually, so long as it's the same size as the iPhone 4, plan to buy the next iPhone and then stop. So long as it's got an A5 and better camera I'm happy. I don't need anything else and think I shall refuse to upgrade for another 3 or so years.
 
Uglier would be subjective but youre DEAD WRONG when you say its laggier. Have you even used the Galaxy S?

He certainly hasn't. If he had, he'd sell his iPhone on eBay and buy a Galaxy S or S2 within a heartbeat.

TechRadar once described the Galaxy S as an "iPhone 3Gs on steroids" but they said this about the Galaxy S2:

"The Samsung Galaxy S2 has not only set a new bar for smartphones in 2011; it's smashed the bar, recreated it in its own image and put it out of reach of the competition."

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s2-930907/review?artc_pg=15

I guess iCloud - which is not much more than Apple's version of Google's web services for Android - won't be enough to draw attention to the iPhone 5, and I don't think that Apple can compete over the price with Samsung and other Android OEMs. The contract-less, unbranded Galaxy S2 is currently sold for 485 Euros on Amazon.de while Apple still wants 629 Euros for the iPhone 4 which features much inferior hardware.

By the time the iPhone 5 is released, Samsung will probably ship the first quad core smartphone and the next major release of Android, which unifies the tablet and the smartphone line, isn't that far away either.

I agree with the folks here who said that Apple hasn't much to show anymore and that they only have legal games left to play. The Android crowd has caught up with them and many products are already ahead of Apple. At the moment, the biggest selling point for iOS devices is the amount of available software, and as more and more developers are offering multi-platform versions of their products, even that advantage is melting away. But the biggest killer argument for me is that Android is not a Walled Garden. Freedom is a non-negotiable feature for me, and that is the one feature that Apple's iOS will never have.

I just hope that they won't screw up their desktop platform in a similar way as they've screwed up iOS. The day that they close OS X or its successor is the day on which I will cut my losses and put Linux on my Mac.
 
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