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As much as it hurts to agree, you're right. They are masters of marketing and thats all it is. Obviously the plus would be the Mac OS (but that's done easily on a PC). As much as I love Macs I just can't get myself to purchase a desktop computer knowing I wont be able to upgrade it.

If the storage is external, what exactly do you need to upgrade? the GPUs?
 
Curious here.. I need to replace a 6-year old MacPro, and my primary use will be image processing (shooting with a D800, so those raw files are huge), and gaming.

But when I look at the 27" iMac, once you build it up with the dedicated graphics card and 3TB fusion drive, you are still at the $3k price for the new MacPro, with graphics that while are good, are not near what the MacPro should deliver. So if you were buying now, would you still get the iMacs?
Kind of depends if you already have a 27" ACD...
 
That argument would have flown eight years ago when Apple was NOT building machines with off-the-shelf Intel processors. But now they do, and Apple cannot perform any "magic" here that the competition cannot also do. They all use the same hardware pieces, and there are limits to how much you can optimize those. You simply cannot provide the same computational power with four processor cores when others need eight cores with the same architecture for that. It's impossible. So let's come back from the realm of fantasy and wishful thinking.

Apple ships a nice design here and they squeeze a lot of horse power into that design. But that comes with a lot of tradeoffs, and it will quickly look very ugly on your desk when that myriad of cables are attached to the nice little box that are needed to communicate with the extensions that cannot be hidden in the computer's case. This thing is a powerful Mac Mini, not a traditional Workstation computer that is not only designed to be powerful, but also to be extensible - like the old Mac Pro was.

I wonder what will happen to all those ProTools users? Will they now also have to use external boxes that contain their sound cards, audio outlets and whatever? This thing really wasn't designed to cater to the needs of the traditional Mac Pro/Workstation users.

Don't get me wrong: This -is- a nice machine. Like a Lamborghini is a nice car. It's just not the car that you would buy to transport a pack of dogs or go shopping. It's not the car that you would use for anything that's work related. So who was this new machine designed for? The same kind of customer that would buy a Lamborghini, for the same purpose? There's probably no other clientele left for that machine. I can imagine those fancy glass desks with that Mac Pro on it. But no folders or paper. Nothing that would actually even remotely remember somebody of a work place. Like a private library where all books have leather bindings - and were never read.

If you had ever been in a proper, professional studio. You would know that protools, and logic users are well used to the idea of having external units hanging off the side of their mac. Heck my uni studio (upwards of £10mill spent on the entire complex) had 4 studios with mixers in each, a Mac Pro, and protools hd24 boxes hooked up into the PCI expansion ports, with some old serial connection (can't remember the name off the top of my head)

I am more than certain avid/digidesign are working with apple, and designing a new system which goes like the wind via TB2.

Avid, and protools have become synomonous with apple n mac ever since the dawn of time pretty much, so there will be changes down the line for all that kinda gear ;)

In my mind I don't get the big fuss, there was a reason some clever soul invented cable ties, tape, n cable holders.

It's not like you particularly need access to the cards etc when everything is set up (I rarely have to go traipsing around my rather modular Mac mini studio recording rig in my bedroom.

If you are convinced that the cards are gonna become that much of an eyesore, drill some holes, n ventilation into a drawer under your desk, place external units in drawer, or some other enclosure (rack mount or otherwise, make it sound proof n cooled blah di blah) job done.

Heck if you want it done proper, you can situate the external devices some 10m away if I remember the spec of thunderbolt 2 correctly.

Sometimes change is necessary, I see this change as a good one, one that is no doubt causing headaches for quite a few PC OEMS the world over, on how to counteract this rather large blow to the market. Having said all that, there is no doubt it's a risky change. I can see it paying off :)

Whoops, long post, maaahhhh bad
 
Sometimes change is necessary, I see this change as a good one, one that is no doubt causing headaches for quite a few PC OEMS the world over, on how to counteract this rather large blow to the market. Having said all that, there is no doubt it's a risky change.

Sometimes change is indeed needed. Apple may at time change too much, but to anyone who thought that the PCI cards stuffed in their Macs were going to last forever, or change would not happen, it's time.

And if you are really set on the old case, you can still buy those systems from the refurb store.
 
If you had ever been in a proper, professional studio. You would know that protools, and logic users are well used to the idea of having external units hanging off the side of their mac. Heck my uni studio (upwards of £10mill spent on the entire complex) had 4 studios with mixers in each, a Mac Pro, and protools hd24 boxes hooked up into the PCI expansion ports, with some old serial connection (can't remember the name off the top of my head)

I am more than certain avid/digidesign are working with apple, and designing a new system which goes like the wind via TB2.

Avid, and protools have become synomonous with apple n mac ever since the dawn of time pretty much, so there will be changes down the line for all that kinda gear ;)

In my mind I don't get the big fuss, there was a reason some clever soul invented cable ties, tape, n cable holders.

It's not like you particularly need access to the cards etc when everything is set up (I rarely have to go traipsing around my rather modular Mac mini studio recording rig in my bedroom.

If you are convinced that the cards are gonna become that much of an eyesore, drill some holes, n ventilation into a drawer under your desk, place external units in drawer, or some other enclosure (rack mount or otherwise, make it sound proof n cooled blah di blah) job done.

Heck if you want it done proper, you can situate the external devices some 10m away if I remember the spec of thunderbolt 2 correctly.

Sometimes change is necessary, I see this change as a good one, one that is no doubt causing headaches for quite a few PC OEMS the world over, on how to counteract this rather large blow to the market. Having said all that, there is no doubt it's a risky change. I can see it paying off :)

Whoops, long post, maaahhhh bad

Ah, finally someone making some sense. Universal Audio and Apogee have introduced TB interfaces also. On the video/film side of things where I am, all of our storage is external and in a separate room. We use fibre to connect to that so I could seen needing an expansion chassis for the the card but that would be mounted under the desk and out of sight.
 
Phil's getting emotional

I'm sorry, but "kick the living $#&%"??

It is simply not Apple's brand voice to use playful profanity… especially not the use of grawlixes.

I hate to say the clichéd line "This wouldn't have happened when Steve was around," but that copy has Phil-Schiller-is-now-unedited written all over it.
 
Curious here.. I need to replace a 6-year old MacPro, and my primary use will be image processing (shooting with a D800, so those raw files are huge), and gaming.

But when I look at the 27" iMac, once you build it up with the dedicated graphics card and 3TB fusion drive, you are still at the $3k price for the new MacPro, with graphics that while are good, are not near what the MacPro should deliver. So if you were buying now, would you still get the iMacs?

If you are only using it for stills, a Pro will be total overkill. Even if you were editing raw video, you'd probably be better off going with the top end iMac and using the money you save on fast Thunderbolt external storage.

The Mac Pro is for people doing 3D work.
 
If you are only using it for stills, a Pro will be total overkill. Even if you were editing raw video, you'd probably be better off going with the top end iMac and using the money you save on fast Thunderbolt external storage.

The Mac Pro is for people doing 3D work.

But that's the thing, it's not really a cost savings... and the video is much less capable even with this decked out system. If the graphics card weren't a mobile one...

Real question is, will the drivers in the new MacPro be written in a way where a Photoshop/Lightroom/gamer will be able to make use full use of them?
 

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Sometimes change is indeed needed. Apple may at time change too much, but to anyone who thought that the PCI cards stuffed in their Macs were going to last forever, or change would not happen, it's time.

And if you are really set on the old case, you can still buy those systems from the refurb store.

im sure there will be THAT dedicated nerd in a basement in the first weekend of release.

He will go buy the mac pro, rip it open, put the innards into the old mac pro chassis, paint it anodised black, add some PCI cards, n post all over the web... "yeeeaaahhh man check it out, my new, 'old' mac pro!"

then you go onto his facebook profile n find out he was the co-founder for pystar!

lol!
 
im sure there will be THAT dedicated nerd in a basement in the first weekend of release.

He will go buy the mac pro, rip it open, put the innards into the old mac pro chassis, paint it anodised black, add some PCI cards, n post all over the web... "yeeeaaahhh man check it out, my new, 'old' mac pro!"

then you go onto his facebook profile n find out he was the co-founder for pystar!

lol!

Gonna be a lot of room left over.. or a godawefullmess of cables where he utilized all the internal drive bays for TB and USB devices.. :eek::)
 
Ah, finally someone making some sense. Universal Audio and Apogee have introduced TB interfaces also. On the video/film side of things where I am, all of our storage is external and in a separate room. We use fibre to connect to that so I could seen needing an expansion chassis for the the card but that would be mounted under the desk and out of sight.

precisely.

Im seeing good things coming outta this new mac pro already.

What is more interesting in my mind is how this all implicates itself upon the laptop/smaller desktop line, in terms of look, feel and technology held within. I can see the mac mini, and iMac both getting quite inclusive upgrades in the next year or so. Mac mini in particular. *crosses fingers*
 
Dear Jounalists, we are insane

We can't wait to see what you can write using a $3000 computer and a word processor.
 
If the storage is external, what exactly do you need to upgrade? the GPUs?

Absolutely. GPU and eventually CPU. I don't use my computer for work or anything and so I dont really need an excessive amount of storage.
 
It's awesome, but what's functionally good about the new design? A classic cheese-grater tower with the same insides plus the SATA, IDE, and PCIe slots would just be better... but 1/7th as cool. TB2 plus PCIe, no compromise.

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if the storage is external, what exactly do you need to upgrade? The gpus?

Yes, the GPU! Not being sarcastic or anything. It's a big deal to have PCIe slots. Also, internal drives are cheaper than external ones, not that it matters that much.
 
Then again, Open CL came in 2009 and it's been 4 years and it hasn't really gained traction yet. Adobe seems to have in their plans for the near future to include more Open CL support but we'll see.

It hasn't gained traction because CUDA got a strong foothold and as long as Nvidia cards are available everyone will take the path of least resistance.

That's why we will not be seeing Nvidia GPUs on the Mac Pro. Apple is betting that the workstation will be so compelling that users will switch to OpenCL based tools just to use it, forcing other providers to ditch the proprietary framework.

It's a gamble, but it's the only shot for OpenCL at this point, and really the only shot at a massively parallel future for all computer users, not just pros.
 
Correction: Probably most pro's are not using any of the PCI-e expansions of the current Mac Pro.
The ones getting screwed the most are video editors since there's still some specialty hardware for video capture. Audio world has been moving to USB for a while now, not even TB bandwidth is needed on that front and desktop publishing does not have any specialty PCI-e cards that speeds things up.

I am speaking mainly about pro video. Any other so called "Pros" don't even need this new Mac Pro. An iMac will work fine for them. The "Thunderbolt Rack" I am talking about would be for render farms, Sans and so on. Maybe even a rack to hold several mac pros. So I'm not sure what you are "correcting" me about. ;)
 
For $3000+, i rather build a workstation that has Intel extreme edition CPU that actually offers the performance. And put everythinf under water cooling so that i can overclock to juice more performance.

Which is what i did with my workstation system. I paid around $3000 too and get 50% or more performance than what new Mac Pro offers.


Can you list your specs? Genuinely interested.
 
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