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Apple Sends Mac Pro Posters to Journalists: 'The Computer We Were Insane to Build'
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It looks like it has one of the fastest single thread scores of all current CPUs on geekbench. It's the multi core performance that's not even 20% more than an i7 based iMac or Mac Mini that's disappointing.
A lot of the benchmark sites do comparisons with high end lower-priced vs lower end higher-priced systems. It would be interesting how it really performs with CPU-based software because it has some serious memory bandwidth and those PCIe SSDs wouldn't be much of a bottleneck once virtual memory is needed too.
Man, you are just excuse after excuse after excuse with every post.
Any time someone refutes one of your points, you move the goalposts and complain about something else.
It's really quite amusing.
First it was about noise, now it's about heat, and thus noisy fans, and you cite a single manufacturer's noisy fan as proof that all of them are that way.
What next? Someone points out a quiet, fast external drive setup and then you'll complain that it takes up too much space, or the LEDs on the front are distracting or something.
We get it; you don't like the new Mac Pro.
I wonder if it was deliberate to use the $ at the beginning of "living $#&%" so that it would not be mistaken for "living #&%"
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The Apple Pro was designed for those that need it. They are the ones that will purchase them. They are the only ones that could be complaining about its shortcomings. They are the only ones with the knowledge and experience to make knowledgeable judgements, and they will do that using their wallets.
I would guess the vast majority of people posting on this site are smart, educated, and wise computer users, but not the pros that will actually be buying these Mac Pros.
I've personally purchased Apple from the start: Apple II, Apple IIc, 2 apple III's at $8,400 each, Mac SE, Mac IIfx w/monitor at $14,000, Mac 8500, Mac G3, Mac G4, and 2-iMac 27" i7's. I will not be buying a Mac Pro because it's more than I'll ever realistically need as a long time professional still Photographer. My iMacs are already more than I'll ever need so I have no complaints.
The Apple Pro was designed for those that need it. They are the ones that will purchase them. They are the only ones that could be complaining about its shortcomings. They are the only ones with the knowledge and experience to make knowledgeable judgements, and they will do that using their wallets.
I would guess the vast majority of people posting on this site are smart, educated, and wise computer users, but not the pros that will actually be buying these Mac Pros.
I've personally purchased Apple from the start: Apple II, Apple IIc, 2 apple III's at $8,400 each, Mac SE, Mac IIfx w/monitor at $14,000, Mac 8500, Mac G3, Mac G4, and 2-iMac 27" i7's. I will not be buying a Mac Pro because it's more than I'll ever realistically need as a long time professional still Photographer. My iMacs are already more than I'll ever need so I have no complaints.
That's the thing. I love the new Mac Pro. I think it's innovative and awesome. And I'm sure it will use a standard processor as it would be expensive to try to solder that thing in. And ironically I am going to buy it. I'm just hoping that 1TB SSD will be enough space for at least a year as it will be such a waste to take such beauty and ruin it with a bunch of external devices and wires. One more mini PCIex slot.. come on.. THAT is all my complaints summarized into one sentence. It's beautiful, I don't want to have external devices with it.
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I am not totally sure what apple is trying to do here with the new mac pro...being different and distinctive is good...but being different simply for the sake of being different doesn't do you much good. In the previous gen mac pro, apple's unconventional and different thinking made the mac pro a better product than the competitors...more power, greater/easier expandability, quieter, etc.
The new mac pro, however, falls short of the competition in at least the internal expandability category. Being different should be a means to improve the product over what the competition offers, not fall short of customer requirements simply for the same of being different...come on apple.
The new mac pro, however, falls short of the competition in at least the internal expandability category. Being different should be a means to improve the product over what the competition offers, not fall short of customer requirements simply for the same of being different...come on apple.
It's a good thing I'm pretty sure you can't speak Q-Bert fluently, because otherwise I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself for saying something so crass and hateful on a public forum.
If you could get your hands on the part, and it was ridiculously expensive just for the daughter board and heat sinks. Also, I'm not sure why you think the CPU is less upgradable than the ones on the previous mac pros.
How did you manage to make up that number?
I think I'm going to build a hackintosh when I need to change my workstation. I was holding on to see whether the new Mac pro could fit my needs and budget, and it clearly cannot, once I factor in everything. If I have enough video editing workload to justify a dedicated machine, yes, I'll probably consider it very seriously, but for a mix of 3D, video editing, and lots of 3d rendering under both Windows and OS X, no way.
I still don't understand why people even talk about complaining about the price. It's for professionals. They have the money to spend on a powerful machine, and it will pay itself off in less than a year.
As much as it hurts to agree, you're right. They are masters of marketing and thats all it is. Obviously the plus would be the Mac OS (but that's done easily on a PC). As much as I love Macs I just can't get myself to purchase a desktop computer knowing I wont be able to upgrade it.
I am a Pro and so far the nMP interests me a lot. It would be very interesting to hear the comments of professionals once they start using the machine.
People just rush to make judgements without actually experiencing the product. I am sure there is a very good chance these same folks will have not much to say if the professional community embraces the nMP.
Wait to find out.
What I really love is the comments that suggest a comparable PC can be had for 1/3 the price.. get real. By the time you add the GPUs, the most you would save is $400-500. Even if you build your own, you are still over $2k if you have comparable GPUs.
Yes. Steve's presentations were very polished. What happened? I've been so turned off since the WWDC keynote. I've been a huge apple supporter forever. Now not so much.
They could use some grooming too. Look like they are going out to rotate the tires. Frederigi looks like a presenter. The rest are sloppy. Cook is neat but not a jeans guy.
they never were long term machines.. no personal computers are.. like i said somewhere else in the thread- i have a 1,1 which i spent about $3500 on 7 years ago.. i wanted to replace it after 5years but decided to wait on the new pro.. (then wait some more.. then some more
).. i've had the money set aside for a while now which was going to be for a new computer when my 1,1 broke or a new mac pro.. i'm glad the 1,1 kept on chugging though.i'd really like to just upgrade the 1,1 but i can't.. it's not designed that way and neither are any other computers which you're seemingly comparing this new mac to.. it's not just apple with the disposable electronics mindset.. it's every single electronics manufacturer out there.
that said, i'm not convinced you won't be able to put a 7,1 nMP GPU in a 6,1 in another year or two.. i'm also not convince if one of my GPUs break, i won't be able to replace it and i'll have to buy a whole new computer (which you may/may not be alluding to in your post)
Curious here.. I need to replace a 6-year old MacPro, and my primary use will be image processing (shooting with a D800, so those raw files are huge), and gaming.
But when I look at the 27" iMac, once you build it up with the dedicated graphics card and 3TB fusion drive, you are still at the $3k price for the new MacPro, with graphics that while are good, are not near what the MacPro should deliver. So if you were buying now, would you still get the iMacs?
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