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I think you have it Backwards.
Apple's A4 is essentially the Hummingbird processor. A4 is a derivative of Hummingbird processor codeveloped by Samsung and Intrinsity.

2009.8.3
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/...-hummingbird-arm-processor-for-mobile-market/
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Samsung and Intrinsity Collaboration on 1GHz Hummingbird ARM Processor for Mobile Market
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2010.4.17
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/apple-purchase-of-intrinsity-confirmed.ars
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Apple has indeed bought Intrinsity.
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Apple is a great company but I'm pretty sure they didn't invent A4 or ARM or GUI or mouse.

I guess there's a reason Apple keeps buying A4 from Samsung, perhaps due to contractual agreement between Samsung/Intrinsity and perhaps Samsung already knows how to make them.

A4 was designed by ARM. ARM doesn't manufacture or sell processors, they just license the technology. You are free to modify the design to meet your needs, as Apple did. Apple then sourced their modified design to Samsung.

Apple owns like 20% of Intrinsity, which is the company that designs the GPU.

Obviously it's more profitable for Samsung to sell Galaxy Tab than iPad. In the latter case Apple re-sales Samsung components (RAM, CPU, Flash memory, LCD panel etc.) which reduces Samsung's profit.

How is that ? They can't even give the damn things away, much less sell them. T-Mobile even had a buy one get one free, price was less than $799. (I don't remember what the price was.)

Sales numbers reported as "small" or "smooth". Come on.

I jumped to the wrong conclusion because SO many people think Apple designed A4 (tweaked probably but not designed) and Samsung is just a contract manufacturer when in reality samsung had a hand in designing A4.

Source please.

How About Apple trying to use more Apple and American companies components?

Which American manufacture would that be? Manufacture, not supplier that buys components from overseas.
 
Agreed. If Apple bolted from Samsung over charges that Samsung defrauded Apple by giving them junk parts.

1. Apple would take a sizebale chunk of the $20+ billion it has left and sue Samsung into the last century.

2. Samsung's other customers may wonder if they got screwed and possibly leave, as well.

It's not like it could say. "We only meant to ******* over Apple, not you. We love your money...err, I mean you."

As much as a division of Samsung will compete tooth and nail with Apple products, its component divisions will do everything and then some to make sure those checks from Apple continue to roll in. The possible nuclear devastation of Apple ripping its $8billion contract and going to Fujitsu, Matsushita, etc is enough of a scare to keep Samsung playing smart.

Selling Apple, or any of their other consumers $billions of dollars worth of junk would be retarded policy, and would be the quickest way to ensure the contracts dry up.

On the other hand Samsung is known for keeping its best tech, for example not a single other player on the market got Super AMOLED screens.. citing "not enough to meet demand".. yet of course all their phones did.

They are done with SAMOLED now so a few more on the market may be allowed to have them.

However, they have just announced that their new Galaxy S 2 phones will have Super AMOLED Plus, will be interesting to see if there will be "enough supplies" too fulfill their needs as well as Apples $8 billion dollar order. (though i suspect the bulk is processors, and flash memory)

The most interesting angle to this is that Samsung obviously knows way ahead of anyone else what tech is going into iPhone 5, iPad 2 etc..
 
A4 was designed by ARM. ARM doesn't manufacture or sell processors, they just license the technology. You are free to modify the design to meet your needs, as Apple did. Apple then sourced their modified design to Samsung.

Apple owns like 20% of Intrinsity, which is the company that designs the GPU.

That's not even close to correct. ARM designed the reference core, the cortex A8. You are correct in saying they don't not manufacture or sell processors, they just sell licenses. Apple did not modify the design (at least not the CPU core). That was collaboration between Intrinisty and Samsung. Apple purchased Intrinsity before the A4 was released.

Imagination Tec, which Apple holds significant stock in, designed (and licensed) the GPU.
 
A4 was designed by ARM. ARM doesn't manufacture or sell processors, they just license the technology. You are free to modify the design to meet your needs, as Apple did. Apple then sourced their modified design to Samsung.

Apple owns like 20% of Intrinsity, which is the company that designs the GPU.



How is that ? They can't even give the damn things away, much less sell them. T-Mobile even had a buy one get one free, price was less than $799. (I don't remember what the price was.)

Sales numbers reported as "small" or "smooth". Come on.



Source please.



Which American manufacture would that be? Manufacture, not supplier that buys components from overseas.

Its on wikipedia

"The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[10] in collaboration with Samsung"

And theres a few sources :)
 
That's not even close to correct. ARM designed the reference core, the cortex A8. You are correct in saying they don't not manufacture or sell processors, they just sell licenses. Apple did not modify the design (at least not the CPU core). That was collaboration between Intrinisty and Samsung. Apple purchased Intrinsity before the A4 was released.

Imagination Tec, which Apple holds significant stock in, designed (and licensed) the GPU.

Imagination, Intrinisity. What's a few letters of the alphabet amongst friends ? :)

They own 20% of Imagination, the company that does the GPU part. And 100% of Intrinsity.

John D
Its on wikipedia

"The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[10] in collaboration with Samsung"

And theres a few sources

Thanks, I got Imagination and Intrinsity mixed up, they both begin with I. :)
 
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Funny you say that. The 32GB iPhone 4 costs $999 in Australia and our currency is at parity with the US.

Edit: as of writing, that iPhone costs US$1001.45.

Yep it'll be interesting to see what Apple Currency Boffins are going to say about long term currency rates with the next round of updates. If we get +95c to the dollar plus gst pricing next round then Apple Aus is going to have a big year.

Almost everything on the AU store is mostly priced 80-85cents plus gst. So they are making lots of additional profit already.
 
It's hard to take anything you say seriously, since you keep repeating a misquote that's been pointed out to you before.

They said sales were "smooth". The "small" you keep bringing up was a third party transcription mistake. Anyone here that listened to the audio heard it plainly.

Yes, I understand, which is why "smooth" is mentioned. However, if I asked you how many HMI screens did you develope today and you said it was smooth, instead of giving me at least a rough estimate, I would take that as you had an unproductive day.

Have they released any actual sales numbers yet?
 
Yes, I understand, which is why "smooth" is mentioned. However, if I asked you how many HMI screens did you develope today and you said it was smooth, instead of giving me at least a rough estimate, I would take that as you had an unproductive day.

It'd be like me reporting that I didn't end up writing as many lines of code as I expected, but my output was steady nonetheless.

Not an unproductive day by any means :)
 
Apple is a fool along with every other American comp buying hi-tech from overseas. Make it here stateside from a American company! Korea is a ripoff! I guess by now S Korea has enough money to handle a war with the north and china soon eh?
 
Agreed. If Apple bolted from Samsung over charges that Samsung defrauded Apple by giving them junk parts.

1. Apple would take a sizebale chunk of the $20+ billion it has left and sue Samsung into the last century.

2. Samsung's other customers may wonder if they got screwed and possibly leave, as well.

It's not like it could say. "We only meant to ******* over Apple, not you. We love your money...err, I mean you."

As much as a division of Samsung will compete tooth and nail with Apple products, its component divisions will do everything and then some to make sure those checks from Apple continue to roll in. The possible nuclear devastation of Apple ripping its $8billion contract and going to Fujitsu, Matsushita, etc is enough of a scare to keep Samsung playing smart.



Well LG is selling Apple bad LCD displays, where is the legal action?
 
Samsung does more than make little iPad screens. Samsung is the largest company in Korea because it does everything. It builds micro-processors, TV's, Battleships, Engines, and Large Scale constructions (one of the Petronas Towers was built by Samsung.)

Don't spin Samsungs success on Apple.

You're right Samsung's success is based on the U.S. protecting it for more than 60 years, giving them licenses to make what they have and sell and what do we get? Bad trade deals!
 
Samsung doesnt give a crap

Samsung doesnt give a crap (I would bet) if their Galaxy Tab or whatever sells well or not. They are only worried about making money, and more Apple contracts mean more money. Samsung makes hardware, and I doubt they have so much pride as to think their tablet can ever compete with Apple's OS/hardware combo. So long as they keep manufacturing screens and whatever components, then they are happy.
My 2¢
 
They are only worried about making money, and more Apple contracts mean more money. Samsung makes hardware, and I doubt they have so much pride as to think their tablet can ever compete with Apple's OS/hardware combo.

Yep. Just like with Apple. They just want to make their own money, even if Microsoft continues to dominate.

Companies don't have to outsell all competitors, to be considered a success.
 
This shows who is a real tech giant....

Not really, as they aren't on the same playing field. You have to compare just Samsung Mobile and pc divisions against Apple.

Apple's just an integrator.

No they are designers and technology integrators. I wouldn't put a penny in a company that made every single component in their products themselves. No-one, tries this in a modern business and the end product would be too expensive.

The relationship is not that interesting, or surprising for that matter, its just business. .... Most rivalries, like this post suggests, are exaggerated by the media.

Oh I don't know it is kind of interesting as a discussion piece, wouldn't you like to know what Steve really thinks of Samsung every time they pop out a new clone? But you're right it is business.

If it was that simple. Apple can not afford not to buy from Samsung because they would not be able to buy many components elsewhere. Samsung is the largest manufacturer of stuff like LCD panels, RAM etc.

True, which is why I'm sure Apple plans to spread things around more in the future, wasn't there talk of substantial Apple investment in one or two display plants in Japan.

1. Apple would take a sizebale chunk of the $20+ billion it has left and sue Samsung into the last century.

Legal action with Samsung, where in Korea ? They'd never win here and the damage would already have been done to Apple supplies. No one these days sees legal action as an answer to anything. But just in case I hope this $8 billion contract is under US law.

That's what they've been saving up for. To buy Samsung.

Never gonna happen. Korean companies aren't for sale to foreign companies. There are some legal restrictions but more than that Korea PLC wouldn't let it happen.

The most interesting angle to this is that Samsung obviously knows way ahead of anyone else what tech is going into iPhone 5, iPad 2 etc..

Yes, this is what concerns me most. There is no way on earth the different divisions at Samsung don't share information. There is a huge strategic management team at Samsung that reigns large over all the "autonomous" divisions.

and I doubt they have so much pride as to think their tablet can ever compete with Apple's OS/hardware combo...

Trust me they do. The Koreans are forever trying to step up on the world stage in any business especially hi-tech telecoms. They firmly believe they can do it, it's the ethic here.

Yep. Just like with Apple. They just want to make their own money, even if Microsoft continues to dominate.
Companies don't have to outsell all competitors, to be considered a success.

Exactly, but the top guys a Samsung probably don't go into work thinking that each day.;)


Sorry for the long post, but I couldn't resist what with me being here on the frontline in Samsungland, and trying to keep the Apple flag flying. Not that I love Apple more than anything in the world but I do pretty much hate Samsung for their grip on the country here from top to bottom. Don't you guys ever, ever moan about Apple trying to control your lives till you've lived here and seen what Samsung can get away with.:eek:
 
Oh and ....

You're right Samsung's success is based on the U.S. protecting it for more than 60 years, giving them licenses to make what they have and sell and what do we get? Bad trade deals!

You need to study the reasons why the US has been here for the last 60 years. You (the US) and Russia made this bed, so lie in it. I'm sure if you calculate exactly how much the Koreans owe you personally for your "protection" I can get a whip round going with the guys here to repay you.

You could use the cash to buy a history book.:rolleyes:
 
I know that Apple has to deal with Samsung but I don't trust them. Sammy will be leveraging Apple's $'s for their own nefarious use. i.e. to go after the same markets that Apple is in.

cheers
JohnG

You mean Samsung might invest some of it's profits in their own products and R&D? What an outrage!
 
Oh and ....



You need to study the reasons why the US has been here for the last 60 years. You (the US) and Russia made this bed, so lie in it. I'm sure if you calculate exactly how much the Koreans owe you personally for your "protection" I can get a whip round going with the guys here to repay you.

You could use the cash to buy a history book.:rolleyes:

Ahaha, never head it described that way but so true, so true.
 
It is the largest company in Korea BECAUSE Apple is growing the size of the pie not just portioning it, and sourcing a large amount of stuff from them. Take note well that even Samsung cannot satiate the desires and production of Apple. Apple needs at least 4 display vendors and 3 flash vendors to keep this train rolling.

Rocketman
That is not even similar to how Korea operates. Samsung is one of a handful companies that basically IS Korea. Look up chaebol in your spare time.
How About Apple trying to use more Apple and American companies components?
Is your assumption that Samsung's products are made in Korea? Or Apple's made in the USA? LOL. The world is not the same as in 1950, you know.
 
Samsung is not a close-knit, integrated company--at least that's what my Korean friends tell me--so selling components like this isn't really a conflict of interests.

That said, I think it's still good business--even if it loses the battle, it can still win the war.
 
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