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I think this is a good thing. Just like with the record labels Apple is saying nothing to worry about... Don't worry about getting hooked... It's all under your control... So much faster and easier this way...

Its like stepping a junkie hooked on pills up to needles.

Soon they will be turning tricks for Apple and his hippyness will demand no DRM.

/The things they don't mean to teach you in school.
 
For textbooks I see DRM being necessary. Without DRM college students like myself straight up aren't going to pay for a copy when we can get it for free, especially for the college required gen-ed classes that e-textbooks are available for.
 
Sad

Here we go again with Apple and DRM...
just download the books for free off the interwebs and screw the Apple store;)

Sad, Sad. Everything in life is not free, someone has to pay. If I want the connivence of the movies, TV shows and now books to be available to me where I want and when I want I am happy to pay a fair price.

I think most sensible people can see that for publishers to make the change and on a big scale provide a big % of mainstream books as downloads they obviously want to feel secure about it.

As long as they dont rip us off and charge a fair price I have no problems paying for the content I want.
 
good thing

I think this is a good thing! DRM will just accelerate the death of those corporations who want to enforce it upon their customers (the publishers in this case, except for some clever ones like O'Reilly). Apple doesn't really have a choice, don't blame them. In the end it comes down to the old argument: DRM does not annoy people who get the stuff illegally, it only annoys paying customers.

So the publishers turn away the only chance they actually have to make people pay for their stuff: make it better than the illegal stuff. Instead of doing that, they make their offer worse than the illegal copies. They artificially cripple it and make it less interoperable, less practical and in a lot of ways worse than an analog copy of the book: you can't donate it to a library for example!

So while people who legitimately bought your product can't even use it in a way they could use an analog book, people who pirate it are able to take advantage of all the possibilities of digitial products: they can lend it to their mom and brother at once! They can copy that dinner recipe and email it to those people who liked it. They can copy citations used for their homework! They can convert it to whatever format they like and use it on all their devices, without being limited to one company, even 10 years from today!

So instead of offering additional value, the publishers make exactly the same mistake with the transition to digitial that the music industry made 10 years ago and is still trying to recover from.
 
Here we go again with Apple and DRM...
just download the books for free off the interwebs and screw the Apple store;)

Apple could careless if the books have DRM, the publishers on the other hand will not sell their books unless they are protected...
 
Oh yeah, DRM. Everyone loves DRM. I think I remember Steve Jobs writing an article about how he thinks DRM should be on everything. Or, maybe it was the other way around. Which, that would make Steve Jobs a lying hypocrite.

This system is designed so the publishers of content can present it the way they want to present it.

Has nothing to do with Apple other than allowing content providers options.

I do agree with others that in the future Apple will push for both lower pricing, and no DRM on stuff, but the first job is to get all the publishers on board and dependent on the Apple system for making sales.
 
So is it Apple or book publishers? Maybe Apple doesn't care and that's what publishers want?

Probably this is true. Right now, there is almost no availability of major publisher, English language literature (e.g., present or loosely recent bestsellers) in DRM-free eBooks of any format. They almost all use some kind of DRM or another.

I think everyone expected Apple to expand Fairplay to books.

OTOH, the iPad is different from other models (Kindle, etc), in a couple of ways:

1) So far, the rumor is that Apple won't be making the iBooks available for other devices, including the iPhone

2) The iPad will most likely be able to run apps that give access to the contents of various other stores in various other formats (most prominently the Kindle format via the Kindle app).
 
For textbooks I see DRM being necessary. Without DRM college students like myself straight up aren't going to pay for a copy when we can get it for free, especially for the college required gen-ed classes that e-textbooks are available for.

I agree, let everyone THINK there is a good DRM and then have the college students use the forthcoming DRM hack to read the books for free :D
 
Every creative mass-market industry has its overbearing giants - that doesn't make it right to steal the things they sell. Not if it deprives the author/singer/songwriter etc. of their hard-earned cash.

It does if it eventually forces them to change tact and open up. It's all for the greater good.

In the end the music labels realised DRM didn't work. It took a very, very long time, but it worked in the end.

Why pay to be treated like a criminal, when you can be a criminal for free?
 
What do they mean "Apple phased out FairPlay a year ago"?

Then why can't I burn iTunes movies onto DVDs? I was under the impression that Fairplay was still what Apple is using on all the movies and TV shows

So the news here isn't "Fairply is back!" but rather "Books will be like movies, not songs."

I can't say that I find that surprising.

Probably just Arn making things up again - never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 
Neatly sidestepping the issue of the author getting money for you enjoying their book. Every creative mass-market industry has its overbearing giants - that doesn't make it right to steal the things they sell. Not if it deprives the author/singer/songwriter etc. of their hard-earned cash.

Haha, this comes from the perspective of someone who WORKS with the authors of those text books. We all agree, go ahead and steal all you want, the authors don't make a dime off those books. They spend more time and money into the creation then they'll ever make back.

As for songs, I buy indie music, and try my darnedest to not support the record labels who make ridiculous amounts of cash. Concerts go further to supporting an artist then 3 albums ever will directly.
 
I think this is a good thing! DRM will just accelerate the death of those corporations who want to enforce it upon their customers (the publishers in this case, except for some clever ones like O'Reilly). Apple doesn't really have a choice, don't blame them. In the end it comes down to the old argument: DRM does not annoy people who get the stuff illegally, it only annoys paying customers.

So the publishers turn away the only chance they actually have to make people pay for their stuff: make it better than the illegal stuff. Instead of doing that, they make their offer worse than the illegal copies. They artificially cripple it and make it less interoperable, less practical and in a lot of ways worse than an analog copy of the book: you can't donate it to a library for example!

So while people who legitimately bought your product can't even use it in a way they could use an analog book, people who pirate it are able to take advantage of all the possibilities of digitial products: they can lend it to their mom and brother at once! They can copy that dinner recipe and email it to those people who liked it. They can copy citations used for their homework! They can convert it to whatever format they like and use it on all their devices, without being limited to one company, even 10 years from today!

So instead of offering additional value, the publishers make exactly the same mistake with the transition to digitial that the music industry made 10 years ago and is still trying to recover from.

Good post! DRM will just lead to the death of the industry. The music industry was heading the same way until the DRM was removed.

As for cheating the author out of money, the author has a choice of who they publish with and each publisher will likely have the choice in selling DRM's products. If the author chooses to stick with a publisher who is steadfast in only offering DRM's books, then let them stay on that sinking ship. Once the pirating begins to occur (and it indeed will, no doubt), then the author will have the choice to sink or move on. The authors that are vocal about DRM's products will suffer like Metallica did (where people went out of their way to pirate their albums). This is not a step forward, but a step back in time.
 
I guess if publishers demand it, Apple has to offer it. Let’s hope more publishers can move away from the hassle.

Maybe it’s an unfortunate economic necessity, but not all publishers seem to think so.
 
Here we go again with Apple and DRM...
just download the books for free off the interwebs and screw the Apple store;)

I'm guessing that you are the kind of person who will never produce anything original in your life that might require intellectual copyright protection. Tell you what, why don't YOU write something, compose a piece of music or write a software program, and then I'LL download it for free from the internet - see how you like that.
 
uhhh, no, you...

Here we go again with Apple and DRM...
just download the books for free off the interwebs and screw the Apple store;)

:eek:why would you belong to a group such as this with that kind of attitude?
you think apple does not have a responsibility to enusre that an authors creative materials are protected??? How would you like someone to steal your livelihood???this has become a walmart world where everything is worth nothing, i for one have no problem paying for things of value to me, you should feel the same...:apple:
 
Well damn. I guess I'll never be buying any eBooks from Apple. I didn't really start buying music from iTunes until they lifted this asinine DRM from the songs, and the same will apply here.
 
What?

Fairplay has not been phased out/mothballs/retired from use.

It's still being used on Video and Apps licensed by the iTunes Store.

It's just not as in your face as when it was applied to music [at least, for iPhone/iPod Touch apps]. DRM on video is very much in your face, particularly the so-called HD video from iTS, which may or may not play on your external monitor [depending on how it's connected to your computer and what features of that connection are supported by your computer and LCD].
 
Haha, this comes from the perspective of someone who WORKS with the authors of those text books. We all agree, go ahead and steal all you want, the authors don't make a dime off those books. They spend more time and money into the creation then they'll ever make back.

Why do these authors (the ones you work with) keep writing? Seems they aren't very smart if all they do is lose money...

Ask any college student if she/he pays for movies or TV... its all on the web the way it should be--free.

I know a lot of college students (just finished a few years ago myself). Unfortunately, there are a lot that pirate, but I know quite a few that don't.

I have no problem with free stuff either, if that is the author's choice. And a lot of free TV on the web is ad-supported (like Hulu). Again, if that is the way the content creators choose to share their work, good for them. If people like it, and they can get it at a reasonable price and with adequate convenience, everybody wins. The creators deserve to be compensated for their work.

On the other hand, if you don't like a particular aspect of something (maybe the DRM, maybe the price, whatever) then don't buy it. But don't steal it either, find something else that you do like and support it.
 
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