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SmartHouse.com.au revives one of the oldest Apple rumors by claiming that "Apple is set to announce an Intel based PC that will run on an Apple operating system."

The first system is expected to be shown at MacWorld San Francisco 2004, with major developers, such as Adobe, already aware of the plan.

The article touches on the issue that all software needs to recompiled, but expects a gradual adoption over time, with an eventuality that "all Macs would be Intel."

Rumors of Apple adopting the Intel/x86 platform have been ongoing for years, and has had some historical basis in reality. In the early 90's a secret project at Apple known as Star Trek ported Mac OS to Intel-based hardware. While an intial technical success, the project was scrapped after running into political problems.

More recently, there have been rumors of an x86 based version of Mac OS X, codenamed Marklar. This version of Mac OS X is said to provide a fall-back plan for Apple. These rumors, however, preceded the introduction of the PowerPC 970 (G5) PowerMacs. A successful adoption of the 970 PowerPC would presumably influence any plans for an x86-based Macintosh.
 

arn

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Apr 9, 2001
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Yes... old news...

New source though. But of unknown reliability.

arn
 

zach

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I don't think this will ever happen. For one, Apple has too much pride to switch to Intel and x86. Two, they just invested a huge amount of money (i think) in the G5, which is already quite popular.

This would be a complete turnaround in Apple's strategy, and I don't believe it will ever happen.
 

windwaves

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Jun 21, 2002
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Very plausible that something like this would be in the works. Apple must have learned from experience and the experience with MOT must have taught our dear company that it is way too risky to rely on a single supplier/technology for such a fundamental component of its products. This makes me want to go back to the arguments made on whether the G4 debacle was Apple's fault or MOT's. It is only Apple's, exclusively Apple's. It is Apple products we are talking about here !

So, lets hope indeed that Apple is working on alternatives. It is prudent management.
 

jxyama

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Apr 3, 2003
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yikes... i hope not.

as many will point out, apple is a hardware compoany... OS and software are there to sell the hardware. why would they give up one of the highest hardware margins in the industry, esp. now that g5 is here..? why would anyone buy hardware from apple if OS X would run on a gateway?

(yes, design... but for most people, design alone will not justify spending extra hundreds of dollars, no matter how good the design is.)
 

Postal

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Jun 22, 2002
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The rumour itself sounds pretty ludicrous. Why would you go to great lengths to co-develop a brand-new PowerPC chip, tout the system it's in as the fastest personal computer, and then promptly switch architecture again? The rumour doesn't jibe at all with what Apple is actually doing. I'm not sure why it's even on Page 1 of the site.
 

NavyIntel007

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I'd probably do the same thing if I was starting up a rumor site. Bring up "New dual G5 powerbooks tomorrow" or "Apple is going x86" and in a week everyone knows your site.

Honestly, IBM has one long roadmap. And everyone knows Intel is running out of steam.
 

xpormac

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Aug 21, 2003
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Hopefully this will happen one day. Maybe apples will be priced at what they should be if they go to x86.
 

tduality

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Mar 11, 2003
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Re: yeah right

Originally posted by trilogic
can I say bull****?

I can't ?

okay

then I don't say bull****. :rolleyes:

Da**ed, you were faster!

With all the smart guys in these forums, sites, journals, it had to be 'Smarthouse' to bring the news.
:rolleyes:
 

caek

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Apr 29, 2003
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Surely this kind of story is what Page 2 is for. The hallowed turf of the Main Page should be reserved for more credible stories.
 

Sun Baked

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May 19, 2002
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Re: Is this guy thinking of Amiga? The othe PPC computer maker starting with an A.

Yes it would be "smart" for a company to spend all that money on developing a computer and it's chipset, then ditch it within 6-months for the CPUs competition.

Somehow the future looks bright for a portable PPC970 in the near future, and future development of the processor.

Heck the interest from the anti-MS/Intel crowd looks HUGE.

The momentum of a viable PPC platform looks as strong now as during the Windows PPC/Apple clone era. Right before MS killed Windows PPC and Apple follow shortly after.

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The portable Itanium would probably require you to drag several car batteries with you to power the thing. 100+W :eek:

Of course Intel is probably buying Apple in and will announce it at MW SF 2004...

This would be the only way to build momentum for the Itanium and kill the PPC970 Linux whitebox market.

Equivalent to the stake MS drove into the PPC platforms heart by killing Windows PPC.
 

modyouup

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Jan 18, 2002
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Ummmm are they talking about Apple making a computer with INTEL IN IT?! Cause that's bull**** their favorite thing to do is show how feeble and stupid intel chips are.

Orr are they talking about just the ability to have Mac OS X on a PC? Cuz I guess that would be okay. :confused:
 

ibjoshua

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Jan 17, 2002
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Due to the frequent recurrance of this rumor as well as being from a rumor source of unknown reliability, it is felt to be unlikely.

hmmm...
gotta agree with some of the other posters. Arn usually puts this stuff on page 2.

i_b_joshua
 

xpormac

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Aug 21, 2003
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Originally posted by modyouup
Ummmm are they talking about Apple making a computer with INTEL IN IT?! Cause that's bull**** their favorite thing to do is show how feeble and stupid intel chips are.

Orr are they talking about just the ability to have Mac OS X on a PC? Cuz I guess that would be okay. :confused:


making the mac os usable on x86 platform. Not limited to intels.
 

pyrotoaster

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Hoo wee!

I guess this means that Apple will switch to Intel, get bought by Disney, and start making Donald Duck iPhones. :p

Steve Jobs would never ever risk his company with a stunt as foolish as an Intel switch.

In fact, Apple's moving into a really good position against Intel right now. The P4's clock speeds are reaching their max, but the G5 is just getting warmed up.
 

Freg3000

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Sep 22, 2002
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This just is not going to happen. No matter how many stories are written about it, will not come to fruition.

Do you really think that Apple would force all software developers to recode ALL of their software to run on x86? Didn't they just do that with OS X three years ago? It would be suicide.
 

xpormac

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Aug 21, 2003
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Originally posted by pyrotoaster
In fact, Apple's moving into a really good position against Intel right now. The P4's clock speeds are reaching their max, but the G5 is just getting warmed up.

Then they go to P5 .....no biggy.
 

acj

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Feb 3, 2003
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Nothing's impossible. I'm sure Apple will choose the best hardware for them at any given time. If intel produces a $99 PPC CPU with Altevec II, full SSE I/II/III and X86 compatibility, that is 64 bit, has a 4 stage pipeline, runs at 4 GHz with dual cores and dissipates 19 watts, then Apple would be stupid not to use it.

Obviously this is not expected to happen, but anything it possible. Brand loyalty is dangerous.
 

AngryAngel

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Jul 12, 2003
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The most unlikely aspect of the story is that the Intel chip Apple has supposedly choosen is the Itanium. I thought that the Itamium was very expensive, and not that great performance.

I think if Apple has any x86 plans, then they are with AMD. Notice how AMD chips have never been used in any shoot-off benchmarks. Apple has always targetted themselves at Intel (possibly as the market leader), but they do seem to be leaving open the option AMD as a back-up. I think Steve Jobs has said having choices is good.

This story is nonsense- Itanium isn't a choice, it's a joke (for Apple's target customers). AMD could offer Apple an economic low-end chip underneath the G5 models. However, the disruption of having PowerPC and x86 code required for the different models would be a serious drawback to this idea, so I have been talking rubbish!

Apple will stay with the PowerPC for a while at least (now that the G5 has materialised).
 
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