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Apple Shareholders Meeting 2005
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Now, I'm not what I'd class as a hippy and Im not even remotely religious, but I do have the life philosophy of be cool and groovy to those around you - including your environment. We do need to look after this planet, it is the only one we have which is an obvious statement but people do forget this. It is not just the responsibility of a company to keep the pressure on for domestic recycling. People just need to get off their arse and do it them selves, and if a company is willing to help then all the better.
If you read the article, you find that Jobs specificaly denied that Apple sends their computers to be recycled overseas so the horrible news story posted here is irrelivant to this topic. Is it a problem, yes, but not for Apple nor the majority of readers on this forum.
They also accused Apple of using prison labor to recycle the computers, to which Jobs responded: "Absolutely not...now some people have accused us of that in with our software."
(Or something like that
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(Or something like that
)eric_n_dfw said:
Hmm.. I thought someone would bring that up. Yes, Steve did say that, but I did find some articles about Apple computers ending up in China. However, I decided not to quote because most of the stories I found were old (2002) and they could have been sent by parties other than Apple.
Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and other countries over seas. Why would we spend $20-30 dollars sending computers to China to be disposed of when the ancient machines being destroyed aren't even worth $5.plasticparadox said:
Just wondering. Has a firearms company ever been held accountable for a killing that was done using one of their weapons? The company would have no control over what the consumer does with the weapon. So how can Apple, HP etc be criticized for its consumer recycling.
If a company doesnt clean up it industrial waste then throw the book at them, and make it a bloody big book. At one point there were several companies that dumped their waste into the sea because it was cheaper to pay the fine than it was to have the waste disposed of correctly. This is now no longer the case which is good.
If a company doesnt clean up it industrial waste then throw the book at them, and make it a bloody big book. At one point there were several companies that dumped their waste into the sea because it was cheaper to pay the fine than it was to have the waste disposed of correctly. This is now no longer the case which is good.
What the F8CK
Ok, why are these "environmentalist" going after Apple? Doesn't Apple only have 4% of the computer market?? Why are they leaving Dell,Hp,Gateway, etc.. alone? They are the ones making up 96% of the market... go somewhere that would actually make a difference.
Ok, why are these "environmentalist" going after Apple? Doesn't Apple only have 4% of the computer market?? Why are they leaving Dell,Hp,Gateway, etc.. alone? They are the ones making up 96% of the market... go somewhere that would actually make a difference.
Sunrunner said:
<sarcasm>That's right the US is perfect and never abuses the environment</sarcasm>
Much of this problem in China comes from the West (including USA).
The environmental movement always choses a target and goes after it. Divide an conquer is the only possible way that any positive change comes about. It is impossible to fight the entire computer industry at once. This year the target is Apple. If what Jobs says is the truth and not just a heavy slant then they chose the wrong target.
Personally I'd like to see the response of the environmentalists before I completly believe Steve Jobs.
Dell is not being targeted because they were previously a traget till they cleaned up their act.
You people are hiding your heads in the sand if you didn't notice Dell getting in sh*t previously.
eric_n_dfw said:
My comments were not restricted to Apple, but merely stating an ideology.
However, $30 is not the only issue at hand. There are also questions of packaging (pizza boxes), product design, and customer education.
Sunrunner said:Ugg, get a life already.
I have one...see my post count?
plasticparadox said:
Now if only someone would go after AOL. I don't even want to imagine how many of those damn CD's are in landfills. It actually makes me somewhat sick thinking about it. It would be one thing if CD's were recyclable but since in most places they aren't I consider what AOL is doing tantamount to a company dumping toxic waste. How many millions of disk has that company spammed this country with?
They keep sending me one even after I've called, e-mailed, snail mailed them. These bastards just don't stop.
Here's the website for the wacko's who think Apple is the environment's number one enemy. This group was in the news a couple months ago. Thought they were a lot off base before Steve finally spoke out yesterday. Guess they got the press they wanted by picking on a high profile target, no matter how far off base they are.
http://www.computertakeback.com/bad_apple/bad_apple_biz.cfm
And here's Apple's website on their environmental programs:
http://www.apple.com/environment/
http://www.computertakeback.com/bad_apple/bad_apple_biz.cfm
And here's Apple's website on their environmental programs:
http://www.apple.com/environment/
OnaMacSince1989 said:
Again more hyperbole by someone who insists the world is black and white.
NO ONE SAYS APPLE IS THE ENVIRONMENT'S NUMBER ONE ENEMY!
They are just the flavour of the day.
Even though I am an Apple fan, I am sickened by the "Apple (Steve) can do no wrong" crowd.
Apple should take computers for free when droped off at an Apple store and this service should be included in the price of a new Mac. If you charge money at the end of life people will just trash their Macs and iPods rather than recycling
As for Steve's argument about iPod batteries, I don't buy it at all. I love my iPod but the battery should be easily user replaced and there should be a $10 discount when ordering a new one if you send back the old one. THIS IS HOW TO SOLVE THE IPOD EWASTE ISSUE! Not pretending that a disposable iPod is the most environmentally friendly method of dealing with batteries that only last a year to a year and a half.
SiliconAddict said:Now if only someone would go after AOL. I don't even want to imagine how many of those damn CD's are in landfills. It actually makes me somewhat sick thinking about it. It would be one thing if CD's were recyclable but since in most places they aren't I consider what AOL is doing tantamount to a company dumping toxic waste. How many millions of disk has that company spammed this country with?
Actually AOL is always on the recieving end for this practice. I think just about every one agrees with you about AOL. At least when it was floppies you could reuse them. Perhaps if they used CDRWs instead....
martman said:
I don't see in black and white...I see things in many shades of gray...hell, I'm a big liberal windbag myself. But aparently you haven't read their website cuz the group focusing all their attention on Apple are nut jobs. It's like religous conservatives blaiming gays for the decline of marriage in our culture. Let the consumer take responsibility for what happens with their property when they are done with it - the manufacturer doesn't need to take on the burden of free recycling or disposal of products they sold years ago. What's next? GM, Ford, and Toyota forced to recycle and dispose of 20 year old clunkers left on the side of roads? GE or Whirlpool forced to take care of a fridge or stove dumped in fields? Too many people always want someone else to take responsiblity for their actions.
Actually all the examples you mention are becomming the way of the future. Yes all corporations need to take responsibility for the garbage they produce. Just because they had a free ride in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't clean up after themselves now.
"Too many people always want someone else to take responsiblity for their actions. "
As for their web site, I went there. They didn't seem like the crazies you are making them out to be. Perhaps you could point out some specific examples...
"Too many people always want someone else to take responsiblity for their actions. "
As for their web site, I went there. They didn't seem like the crazies you are making them out to be. Perhaps you could point out some specific examples...
I have no idea what this has to do with Apple. Here in Alberta, Canada, the provincial government set up an electronics recycling tax, to fund the proper disposal of all electronics. So, televisions, monitors, computers, dvd players, etc. all are broken down into categories based on the cost of disposal, and taxed accordingly at purchase. Then many of the retailers act as collecting locations for the old stuff.
Plus, the environmental mantra I learned as a kid was:
1. Reduce
2. Reuse
3. Recycle
I think Apple's done a good job in the past of reducing its marketshare, and selling expensive computers that force reuse, as no one can afford new ones, so it's probably the consumer's job of ensuring recycling.
( Ok, I admit I'm just bitter that the Mac mini came out soon after I bought a second-hand PowerMac G4 )
Plus, the environmental mantra I learned as a kid was:
1. Reduce
2. Reuse
3. Recycle
I think Apple's done a good job in the past of reducing its marketshare, and selling expensive computers that force reuse, as no one can afford new ones, so it's probably the consumer's job of ensuring recycling.
( Ok, I admit I'm just bitter that the Mac mini came out soon after I bought a second-hand PowerMac G4 )
it's not like Apple charges you $30 to throw it in a landfill guys, can't you find it in your hearts to spend a lousy $30 and maybe better the future generations' lives? Think of the children!
I'm not sure who said it, but i do find it strange the environmentalists are going after us, when there are so many more PC companies! I bet it's a Microsoft Conspiracy! That would be kinda sad if Microsoft had to pay people to say Apple is an environmentally harmful company...
I'm not sure who said it, but i do find it strange the environmentalists are going after us, when there are so many more PC companies! I bet it's a Microsoft Conspiracy! That would be kinda sad if Microsoft had to pay people to say Apple is an environmentally harmful company...