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RE: "Apple says that hundreds of Today stories have been read by more than 1 million people."

That part doesn't seem right ... if it's true, then that's a Total Disaster, F-- grade !
 
So, the 10th anniversary is next Tuesday... and we learned today about the filings of new Mac models... somehow I’m beginning to believe there’s a connection between these two facts...
 
I remember the day it launched well. For ages (one year!) we had been clamoring for true apps. Jailbreaking was starting to take off and people had made their own small apps. But this was official and mind blowing. We all knew the iPhone had incredible potential but it wasn't until the App Store that it was more fully realized. I remember installing iPhone OS 2.0 on my original iPhone and playing Super Monkey Ball while waiting in line for the iPhone 3G. It was a joy. Looking back I'm amazed at what was running on those early devices!

Every night I would watch this feed on a site I can't remember the name of (this was before arn's App Shopper) that was constantly being updated with every new app. You could literally read through the descriptions of every new app on the App Store from that day. And I had so many of them! One I didn't have was "I'm Rich" which was this $1000 app. Anyone else remember that whole debacle? I think inside the first month or so I had 60-80 apps installed. Anyone remember being limited by how many home screens you had because there were no folders yet? Then I started having problems.

Turns out iPhone OS 2.0 had a hard time with having that many apps installed. I emailed Steve Jobs about it and he replied with one of his typical short replies (I about fainted when I got the email) and he put me in touch with a senior engineer. I think the origination of the issue had something to do with iTunes syncing jacking something up. It's been a long time so I can't remember all the details but I wrote about it on here back then. Anyway, so he collected some kind of diagnostic data and they ended up patching it in an update so I could run more apps without as many problems.

My biggest regret is not diving in to learn Objective C that summer. The recession was hitting hard on me as a college student. I couldn't even find work bagging groceries for crying out loud because all of the older people losing their jobs taking the lower paying jobs. Instead of wasting so much time looking for work I should have started making apps. So many of my ideas were made into successful apps in that first year.
 
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When the iPhone was announced, Steve Jobs did make a point of saying you don't need an SDK to develop for the iPhone, just make web apps because they're just as good.

I'm pretty sure he changed his mind when they figured out how much money they could make.

And I’m pretty sure Steve Jobs always downplayed things they hadn’t announced right up until the moment they announced it.

Remember that time he said Kindles would fail because “people don’t read anymore” and then Apple came out with their own bookstore? Same thing.
 
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And I’m pretty sure Steve Jobs always downplayed things they hadn’t announced right up until the moment they announced it.

Remember that time he said Kindles would fail because “people don’t read anymore” and then Apple came out with their own bookstore? Same thing.

That is a good point. He sat down on a nice padded chair on the stage to read a book, because the experience was just so much better on iPad.
 
And my memories of the App Store was the difficulty in getting your app approved, but all those Fart Apps got approved.
 
I miss Apple's Texas Hold'em. That was the best poker game ever on the app store. They need to bring it back!!
 
I was using apps long before the iPhone/iPad on my Palm Pilot and Compaq iPaq.

So was I but lets not forget it was only tech nerds who were buying apps as there was no central store and instead you'd buy direct from developer or from somewhere like handango. The App store revolutionised the market, Nokia had apps for years before Apple but never thought to make a central store where it would be easy for the mass market to discover and use apps, not just people that come to sites like this.
 
I remember the day it launched well. For ages (one year!) we had been clamoring for true apps. Jailbreaking was starting to take off and people had made their own small apps. But this was official and mind blowing. We all knew the iPhone had incredible potential but it wasn't until the App Store that it was more fully realized. I remember installing iPhone OS 2.0 on my original iPhone and playing Super Monkey Ball while waiting in line for the iPhone 3G. It was a joy. Looking back I'm amazed at what was running on those early devices!

Every night I would watch this feed on a site I can't remember the name of (this was before arn's App Shopper) that was constantly being updated with every new app. You could literally read through the descriptions of every new app on the App Store from that day. And I had so many of them! One I didn't have was "I'm Rich" which was this $1000 app. Anyone else remember that whole debacle? I think inside the first month or so I had 60-80 apps installed. Anyone remember being limited by how many home screens you had because there were no folders yet? Then I started having problems.

Turns out iPhone OS 2.0 had a hard time with having that many apps installed. I emailed Steve Jobs about it and he replied with one of his typical short replies (I about fainted when I got the email) and he put me in touch with a senior engineer. I think the origination of the issue had something to do with iTunes syncing jacking something up. It's been a long time so I can't remember all the details but I wrote about it on here back then. Anyway, so he collected some kind of diagnostic data and they ended up patching it in an update so I could run more apps without as many problems.

My biggest regret is not diving in to learn Objective C that summer. The recession was hitting hard on me as a college student. I couldn't even find work bagging groceries for crying out loud because all of the older people losing their jobs taking the lower paying jobs. Instead of wasting so much time looking for work I should have started making apps. So many of my ideas were made into successful apps in that first year.

Ooh post the reply from SJ. I miss those days when people would share them on MR and it would make Frontpage MR news
 
Yay! Super! 10th year anniversary of the App Store !!!!! Lets buy some Apps.

Oh, it is the 20th year anniversary of the iMac... who cares... nobody uses computers anymore... the App Store can cover all your needs. This is not 1984.
 
haha you're right, the update was around 15 Euros if I recall correctly. Had both Super Monkey Ball and Crash Bandicoot. And the piano app that everyone had to showcase the iPod's multitouch feature. Burned through the 50€ gift card pretty quickly.

Okay I was not crazy! I was pretty miffed to have to pay to activate it especially after they said "iPhone users get it free". I had saved up so long to get the iPod touch during school, and I was super broke that summer. I was absolutely enamored with the device and the concept of apps. It's funny because in 2012 I ended up getting hired as a designer and for a few years I worked on apps and stuff that got seen in the app store. During the 2013 WWDC Keynote Presentation, some character art I did was shown and that was pretty cool to know that everyone who was watching saw it :3
 
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I really don't think Cydia had anything to do with the creation of the App Store.
Could be right but unless there is something to support that theory it's irrelevant.
Nor were any of the later features copied from the Cydia hacks except maybe Control Center.
The internet disagrees with you:
10 iOS 11 Features Apple Copied From Jailbreak Apps and Tweaks
13 iPhone Features Apple Stole From Jailbreak Developers
The 13 features in iOS 11 borrowed from the jailbreak community
(There may be some overlap in above links)
It was all obvious stuff they held off on making for whatever reason.
Two things:
  • The above in red is not provable.
  • It's always obvious after the fact.
- longtime jailbreak user
Based off your comments apparently not long enough.
 
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Could be right but unless there is something to support that theory it's irrelevant.

The internet disagrees with you:
10 iOS 11 Features Apple Copied From Jailbreak Apps and Tweaks
13 iPhone Features Apple Stole From Jailbreak Developers
The 13 features in iOS 11 borrowed from the jailbreak community
(There may be some overlap in above links)

Two things:
  • The above in red is not provable.
  • It's always obvious after the fact.

Based off your comments apparently not long enough.
I've been using jailbreaks since iPhone OS 3 and have seen all the features in those articles get implemented over time, often times after I've already had them for a while via Cydia packages. The articles, which btw are 3 individual people looking to draw clicks and not "the internet," listed things like "Viewing animated GIFs in the Photos app," "FaceTime over 3G," "Custom Wallpaper," "Dark Mode," and "Screen Recording". Really, those are the stolen killer features? As if those are some patentable ideas and not super obvious stuff everyone wanted from the start. Some of those had obvious reasons they weren't implemented in iPhone OS 1, and for others it's a mystery but probably something to do with effort or saving stuff for later.

And none of the UI looks similar to the jailbreak tweaks, except maybe (as I said before) Control Center and two more I'll maybe give them credit for: iOS 5 Notification Center and one-handed keyboard (never used that so idk).
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I had an iPod Touch back then and I recall having to pay to enable the App store when it was released. I might see if I can dig up that old iPod touch when I get home tonight.
I remember paying for iPhone OS 3 because some app required it. Maybe you had to pay for OS 2 to get the App Store.
 
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I've been using jailbreaks since iOS 3 and have seen all the features in those articles get implemented over time, often times after I've already had them for a while via Cydia packages.
So then you should have been aware of the features/ideas that first made it into Cydia and later adopted by Apple.
However, that is not what you originally said:
Nor were any of the later features copied from the Cydia hacks except maybe Control Center.
The articles, which btw are 3 individual people looking to draw clicks and not "the internet,
Opinion, not provable, therefore will be ignored.
listed things like "Viewing animated GIFs in the Photos app," "FaceTime over 3G," "Custom Wallpaper," "Dark Mode," and "Screen Recording". Really, those are the stolen killer features?
Goal post moved via subterfuge.
No one said anything about killer features.
However your apparent knowledge/memory of the JB community hottest JBs is either faulty or not honest.
You picked some of the lamest examples to prove your point.
What about these:
  • Mobile Notifier (Apple actually hired this developer)
  • Wireless Sync
  • Smartscreen (widgets on the lock screen)
  • TVOut2Mirror
  • Snaptap
  • Wifi Hotspots (that was a big plus on jailbreak)
  • Folders
  • BTstack Keyboard (bluetooth keyboard)
  • Copy and Paste
One of the features they listed was "Viewing animated GIFs in the Photos app," and the rest were basic things like that.
Whether it is basic or not is irrelevant to your oringal statment.
As if that's some patentable idea Apple copied.
Irrelevant. The perception on the internet is certain things introuduce by the jailbreak community were later picked up / borrowed by Apple, contrary to what you originally stated.
And none of the UI looks similar to the jailbreak tweaks, except maybe (as I said before) Control Center.
Again, moving the goal post.
The look is irrelevant. It's the idea that was according to the internet, copied.
 
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You picked some of the lamest examples to prove your point.
What about these:
  • Mobile Notifier (Apple actually hired this developer)
  • Wireless Sync obvious enhancement that just takes effort to implement in a secure and stable way, which the hack probably did not
  • Smartscreen (widgets on the lock screen) crappy Android/Tiger/Vista feature they intentionally avoided until they could do it maturely
  • TVOut2Mirror PC feature
  • Snaptap intuitive for most to try pressing the same button that usually takes photos on other phones; maybe they wanted to keep the button purposes pure and gave in eventually
  • Wifi Hotspots (that was a big plus on jailbreak) only reason iOS didn't have this was cell carrier restrictions, and some still have it restricted
  • Folders PC feature, for some reason something people really wanted on a phone
  • BTstack Keyboard (bluetooth keyboard) PC feature
  • Copy and Paste another PC feature and the first thing anyone noticed missing in iPhone OS
They're all lame examples, except the Mobile Notifier I gave him credit for. Honestly I was expecting more unique features listed in these articles, maybe something I had forgotten, but Mobile Notifier was the only one. I don't even know what you're talking about with the "moving goal posts," but I'm not going to bother.

Edit: Coolest things I used JB for were OpenSSH and the terminal. Had a few game emulators and the BTStack keyboard. Also had some random tweaks like Safari user agent faking and pull to refresh wifi.
Opinion, not provable, therefore will be ignored.
You list three articles as your evidence that the entire internet agrees, then you say it's an opinion that it's just three people and not the entire internet, and they want to draw clicks. Which is what their job is.
 
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I don't even bother looking for new apps in the app store anymore, especially games for iPad because I'm always disappointed.
And utilities are rarely more convenient and seamless than what apple provide.
 
They're all lame examples, except the Mobile Notifier I gave him credit for, and Snaptap I'm not sure about.
Well your one lone individual. Nobody knows about your one opinion. The internet is what people will search when they want to know who copied who.
What you think is lame really does not have any value other than to you.
I don't even know what you're talking about with the "moving goal posts," but I'm not going to bother.
Moving the goal post means you keep changing you story. You stared off with
Nor were any of the later features copied from the Cydia hacks except maybe Control Center.
And kept adding to it with unrelated fluff like:
"patent-able idea"
"none of the UI looks similar to the jailbreak tweaks"
"Really, those are the stolen killer features?"
etc.
You list three articles as your evidence that the entire internet agrees, then you say it's an opinion that it's just three people and not the entire internet, and they want to draw clicks. Which is what their job is.
Look at what is inside the articles.
Did those features mentioned exist in Jailbreak/Cydia before Apple implemented them?
Was it more than what you claimed "Nor were any of the later features copied from the Cydia hacks except maybe Control Center"?
If you can answer yes to the above than it makes no difference if it is one person or a million, the answer will still be Yes.

And by the way, you have provided absolutely nothing to back up your claims.
 
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