Apple Shares App Store Retrospective Ahead of 10th Anniversary

[fairuz]

Well your one lone individual. Nobody knows about your one opinion. The internet is what people will search when they want to know who copied who.
What you think is lame really does not have any value other than to you.

None of this has value to anyone. The features are there, Apple sells them, and the jailbreak community is basically dead (btw I stopped at iOS 10) along with Steve Jobs. Nobody is going to bother searching this stuff except you.

Moving the goal post means you keep changing you story. You stared off with [they didn't copy from Cydia]

And kept adding to it with unrelated fluff like:
"patent-able idea"
"none of the UI looks similar to the jailbreak tweaks"
"Really, those are the stolen killer features?"
etc.

Not unrelated. These are typical metrics for deciding whether something is copied. That is, that the jailbreak devs "showed THEM the way" (- original guy I responded to).

Look at what is inside the articles.
Did those features mentioned exist in Jailbreak/Cydia before Apple implemented them?
Was it more than what you claimed "Nor were any of the later features copied from the Cydia hacks except maybe Control Center"?
If you can answer yes to the above than it makes no difference if it is one person or a million, the answer will still be Yes.

And by the way, you have provided absolutely nothing to back up your claims.

The only thing you've said is that these features existed before Apple implemented them, which does not mean that Apple copied them. Everything I said you can either look up or use common sense.

 

[sinsin07]

snip...
The only thing you've said is that these features existed before Apple implemented them, which does not mean that Apple copied them. ...snip

Thats exactly what it means:

cop·y
ˈkäpē/
noun
noun: copy; plural noun: copies
1. a thing made to be similar or identical to another.

Excuse me if I ignored the rest, you seem to like to rationalize which cannot be substantiated.

 

[christo747]

Apple is the one of the worst companies. I want to use old iOS apps I bought and own on iOS 10 but with the new iTunes in ElCapitan I cannot get them on my devices anymore. Also I can't browse all the Apps I bought. And no, they don't show up in the AppStore anymore. Apple just "stole" my apps.

 

[fairuz]

Thats exactly what it means:

cop·y
ˈkäpē/
noun
noun: copy; plural noun: copies
1. a thing made to be similar or identical to another.

Excuse me if I ignored the rest, you seem to like to rationalize which cannot be substantiated.

"Made to be similar," or imitating. Which means Apple devs/pm had to take notice of these tweaks in the first place, which they didn't necessarily do because they're all obvious things everyone can think of independently. I'm sorry, but you've just been picking at semantics and insulting me using words likely sourced from a thesaurus for the past few replies, so ima ignore.

 

[3rdiguy]

I sure miss Koi Pond.

 

[Cycling Asia]

Apple gives developers a platform to sell apps. Charging 30%. Easy money.
Once that profit gets larger and larger, you start to think why to do anything else?
Why to develop new Mac hardware, lots of investment for very little return.
They just seem to forget you need a Mac to write those apps, right?

Eventually, Xcode will be on iOS and devs will never have to deal with that dinosaur operating system, or those pesky Mac devices that allowed apps from elsewhere. Apple's goal is to get everyone and everything to go through the App Store. That means, killing off macOS.

 

[VictorTango777]

And I’m pretty sure Steve Jobs always downplayed things they hadn’t announced right up until the moment they announced it.

But Steve Jobs wasn't the one posting on the forums. The posts were written by people defending Steve and arguing against allowing native third party iPhone applications and against having copy-paste, dismissing all those who wanted native apps and copy-paste.

Assuming the theory is true, when Steve or anyone else at Apple "downplays" something, do the people defending him know that are being played? If these people know that they are being played, why do they go along with it? Do they think they are helping Apple in some way by defending a false position?

But if these people actually did believe what Steve was saying, then how do those same people feel after spending all that time arguing in favor of Apple's original positions, only to find Apple change their position? Do they:
1. Admit they were wrong
2. Try to convince themselves that Apple planned it all along. In which case, we go back to the original question: If they knew Apple planned it all along, why did they go along with it and argue in favor of the original, false position in the first place?

 

[Feenician]

But Steve Jobs wasn't the one posting on the forums. The posts were written by people defending Steve and arguing against allowing native third party iPhone applications and against having copy-paste.

Assuming the theory is true, when Steve or anyone else at Apple "downplays" something, do the people defending him know that are being played? If these people know that they are being played, why do they go along with it? Do they think they are helping Apple in some way by defending a false position?

But if these people actually did believe what Steve was saying, then how do those same people feel after spending all that time arguing in favor of Apple's original positions, only to find Apple change their position? Do they:
1. Admit they were wrong
2. Try to convince themselves that Apple planned it all along. In which case, we go back to the original question: If they new Apple planned it all along, whey did they go along with it and argue in favor of the original, false position in the first place?

Why does any of this matter a decade later? Why does the opinion of “these people” matter so much to you?

 

[freezelighter]

Crash Bandicoot, Enigmo...
What a beautiful time it was.
Every single App and Game was unique.
No social media, no in-app purchasing.

 

[Bacillus]

It may take another 10 years for Phil to find out about multiple search arguments (which can be handy for finding that single app amongst > 3M others).
But it will happen...

 

[pete2106]

Remember the good old days before everything was tagged with "In-App Purchases". The App store sits in my junk folder now, I never go anywhere near it. For me, Apple has ruined every aspect of the store.

 

[Tech198]

Yay, Pac-man

 

[YourDreamCreator]

Thanks for sharing..

 

[dilbert99]

How do you update your apps? You need to visit the App Store to update the apps man!

Only if you do not have automatic updates turned on.
I haven't bought an app from the App store for myself in ages, I have for my kids though
[doublepost=1530875750][/doublepost]10 years and the App store is still rubbish.

Try to search for an app and you can't tell how much it costs. You see several things

1. A price - great you can see how much it costs
2. A price + In-App purchases - - can't tell how much you are potentially going to be stung for
3. In-App purchases - can't tell how much you are potentially going to be stung for (until you click on it and scroll down several screens then press another button to expand and it doesn't tell you what each inapp purchase is apart from a short title)
4. Get - why not just put free, get doesn't signify free in the English language.

Also how do you search for free or paid apps? I just did a search for podcast and there seems to be no options anymore to search in a category or paid/free. Under that search for podcast I get all sorts of things like radio, learn English, podcast apps, spotify, audible.

 

[jonnysods]

The App Store was a pretty cool invention for Apple. The thing they can't figure out now is how to let me easily discover apps. Perhaps one day they almost need to curate it based on each of our tastes using machine learning.

 

[Wanted797]

Apple is the one of the worst companies. I want to use old iOS apps I bought and own on iOS 10 but with the new iTunes in ElCapitan I cannot get them on my devices anymore. Also I can't browse all the Apps I bought. And no, they don't show up in the AppStore anymore. Apple just "stole" my apps.

Yeah it pretty crappy when companies do that.

My well paid for Microsoft Office 2003 doesn’t work with Windows 7!

 

[cosmolv]

Bring back Crash Bandicoot!

 

[Haiku_Oezu]

Cute bit of revisionist history on Apple's part. How soon they forget that their Lord & Savior Steve Jobs didn't want to open up the iPhone to custom apps and that it was only after the hacking community and specifically the Cydia store showed THEM the way that they decided to open it up to apps and take their scam 30% cut.

You’re partaking un revisionist history yourself
Cydia didn’t come around until 2008, Installer was around since iPhoneOS 1.0 and probably was much more of an influence than Cydia ever was.

I’m so glad to see it come back, with an UI that kicks Cydia’s ass so bad it’s not even funny.
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Apple is the one of the worst companies. I want to use old iOS apps I bought and own on iOS 10 but with the new iTunes in ElCapitan I cannot get them on my devices anymore. Also I can't browse all the Apps I bought. And no, they don't show up in the AppStore anymore. Apple just "stole" my apps.

You can still side load your ipas using Apple Configurator or a similar tool, but if they’re completely gone from the App Store chances are they’re outdated and would crash on newer versions of iOS anyway

 

[imageWIS]

I would also be celebrating this, but after installing iOS 11.4, my battery dies overnight for no f*ing reason.

 

[simonmet]

Pretty awesome. Too bad in-app-purchases have since ruined the game category.

This couldn't be more true. It's not even all IAPs that are the problem, but a special kind of IAP built purely on greed that has even been classified as gambling in some countries. This is the type of IAP relating to in-game currency or pay-to-win elements, where it's possible to spend an infinite amount of real money on an app. It boggles my mind that such a thing is possible. So now, virtually every game you find in the charts and by casual browsing uses this model, designed to prey on people with addictive personalities and tendencies (as is all gambling). Every time Apple claims to "not be evil" or to have the moral high ground I simply point to examples like this that demonstrate the contrary. Though Apple added a label to indicate games that use IAP, they don't let us hide them completely, and there are a minority of developers that use IAP appropriately, such as for once-only expansions.

IAP destroying the games category couldn't be demonstrated more clearly than with the app "Texas Hold'em" featured in that photo of the iPhone 3G. That was an absolutely brilliant poker game. It was fun to play with friends or a partner through the local network until Game Centre was added. And it wasn't designed around endlessly trying to sucker you in to spending an infinite amount of cash. A very reasonable one-time up-front fee was all that was required. Finding a poker game like that now is basically impossible. Greedy developers (and yes, I'm calling every single one who makes or publishes a game or app where it's possible to spend an infinite amount of money greedy) have almost completely ruined the App Store for games.

I don't even bother to look for games on iOS anymore. If I happen to hear of something elsewhere where they have an iOS version and I want to play it on iOS then I will, but that is now exceedingly rare.

 

[chr1s60]

Cute bit of revisionist history on Apple's part. How soon they forget that their Lord & Savior Steve Jobs didn't want to open up the iPhone to custom apps and that it was only after the hacking community and specifically the Cydia store showed THEM the way that they decided to open it up to apps and take their scam 30% cut.

No way. People knew from the start something like the App Store was coming. I recall talking with people about 3rd party apps while waiting in line for the original iPhone. Jobs pretty much never randomly implemented something overnight. The App Store was in the plans, it just wasn’t quite where they wanted it for the first iPhone. Like many features Apple continues to rollout, they may not be new but Apple does their best to get things right before releasing them.
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When the iPhone was announced, Steve Jobs did make a point of saying you don't need an SDK to develop for the iPhone, just make web apps because they're just as good.

I'm pretty sure he changed his mind when they figured out how much money they could make.

Or he was surveying interest for an already in development idea for 3rd party apps.

 

[grandM]

I remember the day it launched well. For ages (one year!) we had been clamoring for true apps. Jailbreaking was starting to take off and people had made their own small apps. But this was official and mind blowing. We all knew the iPhone had incredible potential but it wasn't until the App Store that it was more fully realized. I remember installing iPhone OS 2.0 on my original iPhone and playing Super Monkey Ball while waiting in line for the iPhone 3G. It was a joy. Looking back I'm amazed at what was running on those early devices!

Every night I would watch this feed on a site I can't remember the name of (this was before arn's App Shopper) that was constantly being updated with every new app. You could literally read through the descriptions of every new app on the App Store from that day. And I had so many of them! One I didn't have was "I'm Rich" which was this $1000 app. Anyone else remember that whole debacle? I think inside the first month or so I had 60-80 apps installed. Anyone remember being limited by how many home screens you had because there were no folders yet? Then I started having problems.

Turns out iPhone OS 2.0 had a hard time with having that many apps installed. I emailed Steve Jobs about it and he replied with one of his typical short replies (I about fainted when I got the email) and he put me in touch with a senior engineer. I think the origination of the issue had something to do with iTunes syncing jacking something up. It's been a long time so I can't remember all the details but I wrote about it on here back then. Anyway, so he collected some kind of diagnostic data and they ended up patching it in an update so I could run more apps without as many problems.

My biggest regret is not diving in to learn Objective C that summer. The recession was hitting hard on me as a college student. I couldn't even find work bagging groceries for crying out loud because all of the older people losing their jobs taking the lower paying jobs. Instead of wasting so much time looking for work I should have started making apps. So many of my ideas were made into successful apps in that first year.

Wow, Steve Jobs actually read and answered your mail? Do you still have it?

 

[macduke]

Wow, Steve Jobs actually read and answered your mail? Do you still have it?

Of course, lol. One does not simply delete an email from Steve Jobs! Think I've posted this before. Several other people on the forums have been emailed by him as well. It was short. Re-reading my part of the email I was pretty harsh but I wonder if that's why he responded. His response was pretty basic but I replied back and received followup communications to figure out what was going on once he realized I was running the latest version. I think the reason I sent it was because the newest version still hadn't worked? It was a really terrible issue at the time. I'm starting to have memories coming back and I think I repressed some of them, lol.

 

[fairuz]

Of course, lol. One does not simply delete an email from Steve Jobs! Think I've posted this before. Several other people on the forums have been emailed by him as well. It was short. Re-reading my part of the email I was pretty harsh but I wonder if that's why he responded. His response was pretty basic but I replied back and received followup communications to figure out what was going on once he realized I was running the latest version. I think the reason I sent it was because the newest version still hadn't worked? It was a really terrible issue at the time. I'm starting to have memories coming back and I think I repressed some of them, lol.

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Love it, a CEO responding about tech support. Jobs empathized with the consumer like nobody else. But he never responded to my email I wrote in 7th grade (2008) asking for an auto-bibliography feature in Pages

 

[grandM]

Of course, lol. One does not simply delete an email from Steve Jobs! Think I've posted this before. Several other people on the forums have been emailed by him as well. It was short. Re-reading my part of the email I was pretty harsh but I wonder if that's why he responded. His response was pretty basic but I replied back and received followup communications to figure out what was going on once he realized I was running the latest version. I think the reason I sent it was because the newest version still hadn't worked? It was a really terrible issue at the time. I'm starting to have memories coming back and I think I repressed some of them, lol.

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Interesting
He signed with only his first name
He probably answered bc he cared about the product
So he sent several answers to you?
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Love it, a CEO responding about tech support. Jobs empathized with the consumer like nobody else. But he never responded to my email I wrote in 7th grade (2008) asking for an auto-bibliography feature in Pages

ashame