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Apple Shares 'Behind the Scenes' Look at iPhone 11 Pro Photography
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It's really disappointing. The lack of detail and the unavailability of night mode...
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I either have a defective unit, or the wide angle really sucks. I was so excited to use it until I saw how poor the quality was. I’m not sure how these Youtubers are getting clean shots. I can be in the same environment and the picture looks heavily blurred. It’s really quite horrible. I very disappointed.
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I beg to differ. I had one for my X and it took some amazing shots. Much better then my 11 Pro Max. I to am severely disappointed.
Edit: I also want to mention that the whole image is horrible quality. We’re not talking about the edges.
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Apple basically keeps selling the same phone three years in a row and so many fall for it. Yes, what you see on stage is amazing, but most of us won’t be doing that. Sure, we are gonna take our selfies and group photos, but any phone can do this, even the Android phone the guy used at the Apple New York store re-opening seemed sufficient enough. What extreme measure are really trying to capture? We are sharing it on IG and Facebook where it still gets downgraded. What’s the point of having a library of 200,000 photos when you won’t have the time to even look through 25?
Yes, a decent smartphone is good and capturing some memories are good too. But sometimes, we need to save the money and live in the moment. Apple shareholders have enough. I say this out of pure concern because of the extreme level of consumerism I sometimes see and the revolving debt some of us put ourselves in just to keep up with the Joneses.
Sure, I’m gonna upgrade, maybe about 2022 or 2023, but thats a savings of nearly $7,000 in yearly upgrades. It can be done, because see people everyday on the streets, buses, at karaoke with that old iPhone 6 or sometimes an iPhone 5 series devices. Their world did not come crashing down.
Yes, a decent smartphone is good and capturing some memories are good too. But sometimes, we need to save the money and live in the moment. Apple shareholders have enough. I say this out of pure concern because of the extreme level of consumerism I sometimes see and the revolving debt some of us put ourselves in just to keep up with the Joneses.
Sure, I’m gonna upgrade, maybe about 2022 or 2023, but thats a savings of nearly $7,000 in yearly upgrades. It can be done, because see people everyday on the streets, buses, at karaoke with that old iPhone 6 or sometimes an iPhone 5 series devices. Their world did not come crashing down.
We all know by now that "Pro" is just a marketing term and nothing else.
And it looks like it worked out again perfectly fine for Apple
Apple is King in cool marketing terms with their devices and it's capabilities.
But again, nothing really Pro with these iPhone 11 Pro (Max).
You shouldn't let labels manufacturers choose let you get so worked up. Its just a label.
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You're going to return your phone, right? You have 14 days.
Probably not unfortunately. I only upgraded because my iPhone X got smashed so I had to get a new phone. If the XS was still up for grabs I would probably return this one and get one of those. I’m seeing similar comments like mine on other forums and on reddit so thankfully, I’m not alone.
I was only excited to get this phone because of the new cameras and so far, it’s been a huge let down. I’ve even noticed that the preview before the picture sometimes looks much different than after the photo is taken.
Not to mention the “extra” space that Apple has filled with a larger view is lagged behind the main camera. Hopefully this is something that can be fixed in a software update.
I understand that we have slowed down in technology advancement in the mobile phone world but I’m starting to lean towards wishing we could get a new CEO. I like Cook a lot, but under his leadership I have been disappointed multiple times now. This is apparent with several top executives leaving the company in the last few months.
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Thanks, but as I stated before: "I only upgraded because my iPhone X got smashed so I had to get a new phone. If the XS was still up for grabs I would probably return this one and get one of those."
Edit: I was finally able to head outside and take some shots. While I can say the 11 Pro Max does look very good outside compared to the iPhone X, the iPhone X seems to be much better inside. However, the ultra-wide-angle lens still looks watery inside or outside. That camera (which is the one I was most looking forward too) is comparable to an iPhone 5.
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I was simply trying to get a shot of the bridge like I have many times with the normal lens on my phone. Because of the angle of the bridge and vantage points I decided to use the wide angle lens to fit most of it into the photo. There isn’t anything wrong with trying to capture as much scene in a landscape photo. I’m only saying I wish it was a bit sharper because this is the only reason I need a wide angle lens. It’s to shoot these types of photos. I don’t need anything close to me in the photo because that isn’t what I want a photo of.
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I’m not asking for DSLR quality. Some how apply will magically make the ultra wide angle lens twice as sharp next year. Why couldn’t they have done it this year?
I'm wondering if any of these quirks are fixed in 13.1?
The viewfinder is laggy and the transition between modes is choppy, especially between .5, 1x, 2. This has never, ever been an issue on an iPhone. Even going back to the 3, 3G, 3Gs, etc. - one of the things that made the camera experience so much better than Android at the time was that even on those old devices, the viewfinder and transitions were smooth.
I'm withholding judgment on actual photo quality until I have more time to test since I've barely activated the thing.
The viewfinder is laggy and the transition between modes is choppy, especially between .5, 1x, 2. This has never, ever been an issue on an iPhone. Even going back to the 3, 3G, 3Gs, etc. - one of the things that made the camera experience so much better than Android at the time was that even on those old devices, the viewfinder and transitions were smooth.
I'm withholding judgment on actual photo quality until I have more time to test since I've barely activated the thing.
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Did just published the new photography demo for clarifying to the customer that there isn't any particularly great about those multiple lenses because it's hardly indiscernible and isn't that great.
A short while after I picked up my 8+ I did two of the iPhone photography short lessons they have in store (Birmingham, UK). I learnt an awful lot (coming from a 6), and suspect when I jump up to a new one I’ll do the same again.
I get your logic, I’m definitely not questioning your intentions or motives for wanting to use the wide angle. I’m simply explaining that this is a common challenge people realize with wide angle lenses, especially if you aren’t using a DSLR with a monstrous sensor and a lot more pixels. If you are simply trying to capture a large scene and most everything is far away and there is nothing interesting in the center or foreground, it’s going to look dull and lack pop. In your photo the only thing close to you is water and a little bit of rocks in the far edge. I’d wager a challenge to go try and capture some photos with subjects much closer to you than you might think to do, and then judge the camera/lens.
I don’t proclaim to be an expert, but I do have a good sense of composition....I sell stock photography with Getty Images and do a decent amount of shooting with a canon 5d mark 3 with their 16-35 lens. Shooting at 16mm can be challenging! 13mm equivalent is even more challenging
EDIT: So while I maintain my points regarding composition, I've been putting the new camera through its paces the last day and I'm now arriving at a similar conclusion - this ultra wide angle really is pretty terrible quality overall when compared with the wide and tele. I have several shots I took where I'm very pleased with the lighting, composition, and did some heavy handed editing as well and it really is a challenge to get a sharp looking image. The lens seriously lacks any resemblance of sharpness.
The wide is phenomenal though especially with the new low light software.
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No need to argue about cellphone camera cause they are all crap. They are all made to look good on the small screens so when I hear people complaining about looking at them at full res I really don't know what to say. Who in their right mind would ever use a phone photo at original size for anything? If you have a need for something like that you better go and buy at least RX100 for idiot proof shooting if you don't want to mess around with dslr.
Night modes are especially disastrous and while it's convenient to shoot at camp fire from time to time viewing of that image is only limited once again on a tiny screen or at 1024x786 downscale. As soon as you open that photo on PC monitor or TV all kinds of artifacts, noise and smudging will show up big time. Night mode is reality check how computational photography is not there yet and it will not be there yet for at least another ten years.
My biggest gripe with iPhone video is lack of real HDR HLG video. To me that is the feature that makes the most difference in mobile imaging (together with AF burst for moving subjects that minimizes motion blur). When you shoot HLG video and put it on HDR TV the difference is wow compared to SDR video. Of course you have to endure through dropped frames in the video cause once again cellphone cameras are still crap.
Night modes are especially disastrous and while it's convenient to shoot at camp fire from time to time viewing of that image is only limited once again on a tiny screen or at 1024x786 downscale. As soon as you open that photo on PC monitor or TV all kinds of artifacts, noise and smudging will show up big time. Night mode is reality check how computational photography is not there yet and it will not be there yet for at least another ten years.
My biggest gripe with iPhone video is lack of real HDR HLG video. To me that is the feature that makes the most difference in mobile imaging (together with AF burst for moving subjects that minimizes motion blur). When you shoot HLG video and put it on HDR TV the difference is wow compared to SDR video. Of course you have to endure through dropped frames in the video cause once again cellphone cameras are still crap.
Moral of story, you think cell phone cameras are crap : ) Those crap cameras however are now being used by many professionals and are perfectly capable of producing quality prints, and also sell images in the stock world. But crap away!!
As far as I know it has fixed focus, which is kind of ok for an ultra wide lens but not great, and you can't shot in raw with it so third party camera apps have little control. I don't think you can shot night mode pics with ultra wide either.
This is typical first gen, even telephoto lens improved over time with better aperture and OIS so I can see Apple making the camera better in a couple of years. They need something to improve for their next "S" year, 2020 will bring 5G so they may save some camera improvements for 2021.
EXACTLY. Camera is nothing more than a tool. Understanding composition, lighting, etc all take actual skill
I'm pretty sure professionals pray everyday that affordable equipment disappears overnight because they are not making money as they used to. Affordability has always brought a mass market with it, it has happened with Photoshop and it has happened with digital photography and so on. Almost everyone is literate now how to do basic photo editing, can layout a spread and so on. I think that's great! More people who have know-how in more than one thing is better for our society. In that retrospect mobile cameras have contributed a lot. Cellphone cameras get you to be creative real fast but they are missing the whole technical part behind it to take your stuff to next level. Music works the same, with DAWs wide spread and cheap asio card and microphones anyone can record fun music but you can't take that to next level unless you have hardware. That's the difference.
Cellphone cameras are great cause they will introduce people to photography, mind it we are still in infant stage cause filters are all the fun right now and that perfectly normal for someone who is getting their hand on creative stuff. You simply think filters and plugins are be it all end it all. Then you grow up out of it. We will have more real photographers due to cellphones of today and those photographers will go on and purchase real stuff to take real serious photos.
OK I went on a rant way too far. Bottom line is: people here are discussing technical aspects of rubbish sensors which are not even that good in noon daylight let alone in some ultra wide angle which a science for itself. Simply take RX100 and take the exact same shot as you would with your iPhone or Android all in auto mode and difference is visible by the naked eye.
Underrated comment. The fact that we have an iPhone upgrade program as well as financed cell phones now says everything.
Couldn't agree more. Now that we know Apple is on a 3-year upgrade cycle with iPhone, I'm a big believer in buying the most refined year-3 device every three years. In fact, as tempted as I am by the 11 Pro (the 3rd iteration of the X), I'm reluctant to give up Touch ID, Home Button, Qualcomm modem, etc of my 8 Plus.
Same thing applies to the MacBook Pro. They're on a 4-year upgrade cycle, and the 2019 version is twice as powerful as the 2016 version, and without the mechanical issues of the 2017 and 2018 versions... knock on wood.
Time for consumers to start treating tech like the commodity that it is, and get outside more. #SPF50
Sidebar: Apple has been going through some growing pains for roughly the past 5 years, and there's a whole generation of lemon devices across the entire hardware lineup. The previous generations of all of those devices (Mac Pro 2012, MacBook Pro 2014, iPhone 8) used NVIDIA GPU's, Qualcomm modems, and weren't as gimmicky. Then came the Trash Can, Touch Bar, Intel modems, recycled iPad "updates" to clear inventory... Notwithstanding price, they seem to be pivoting again: Watch S4/5, iPad0S, MacPro 2019, (imminent) MacBook Pro 2020, iPhone 12... signal a promising return to form amidst the streaming wars, personnel changes, move into the spaceship... fingers crossed.
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I guess i’m just not as excited as I use to be. I still haven’t upgraded my iPhone 6s and X to iOS 13, neither my 2017 iPad. It’s amazing how contented with the things the way they are, they just work. My 2015 MBP is still on Sierra and I want be upgrading it either to Catalina.
I am actually more excited about opening my Roth IRA account. 😄
Will play with the new stuff at the store.