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I have taken outstanding people in awe shots on my 950 because I had it and have a good photography mindset to set up shots. I never claim though its better than what a camera could do.

In the end its the photographer not the equipment.
And yet you said
People still today will break out the DLSR if they want to create memories not a phone camera.
I'm confused.
 
And yet you said

I'm confused.


Not confusing,

With my 950 in my pocket, dedicated camera button and being a good photographer I can get some awesome shots with my phone , however if I know I'm going to say Alaska. Europe or the Caribbean, bringing a DLSR with multiple lenses is desirable.... I guess the way I look at it is for planned memories bring the camera, for everyday memories some of which can be amazing ...have the phone charged and on you.

I think its a bit disingenuous of Apl to so highly promote their 12MP camera, people may think a DLSR is not needed when in fact the best pics can be obtained with one in the right hands. The time lapse shots are just silly no one has time to do those...but they make good ad copy.

Iphone is 10 years old and has not changed that much other than having a higher quality camera and new colors
 
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I love my iphone but these commercials are like car commercials that have professional drivers doing j turns and drifts in a sentra. There is a big gap between what is possible and what are typical results.
 
And yet it still can't take pictures of moving objects, even in great light (shutter lag). Just google "iphone 7 shutter lag" and you'll see the threads about it. It's not a huge issue, and takes great photos otherwise - but it's annoying compared to the instant shutter on the 6S and prior.
 
How long do i expect to get the final beta of portrait mode? I have seen samples bokeh of Vivo v5+ which seem to blur edges of the subject better. Anyone?
 
I've taken amazing shots with the iPhone
I've taken horrible shots with the iPhone.
I've taken amazing shots with some Android phones
I've taken horrible shots with some Android phones
I've taken amazing shots with the default camera app
I've taken amazing shots with 3rd party camera apps(like the ads note).
 
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Apple's ad's are at their best when they show you what the product can do. Glad to see them getting back to their roots with the iPhone ad campaigns. And - dang - this camera is fantastic!

Argumentative: Apple's ads are at it's best when they can show the human aspect of appreciation of using the technology or products.

e.g.
FaceTime 'it's finally real' (such CRAP and Apple should've been fined for being so niave and dumb) BUT the point I'm making is Apple showed hearing impaired (a US Soldier, or model portraying this) having a video chat with his wife home and their new born baby, him crying). They really should've focused on this HEAVILY to have that emotional touch. But you get what I'm talking about, I hope.

e.g.
iphone introduction 2007 - STILL gives me and many others goosebumps. nothing new about a portal internet device with real web access (Nokia 7700/7710). Nothing new about an iPod with Touch controls (I think Apple already announced the iPod touch didn't they?? cannot recall but that was evolutionary and expected; iPod gen 4 had touch control interface on the buttons not the screen), and a Phone wwoooow - we all had one before lol. BUT it was not getthing all combined and done by Apple! The preparation was there it was done but so succinctly so expertly ... Jobs invented awe-inspiring presentations if nothing else and that intro confirmed that myth as fact then. Better than 'One more thing'.

Any point & shoot pocket camera (Sony, Canon, etc) is a better camera than an iPhone will ever be. iPhone has a good camera for a smartphone, but it certainly isn't a good camera if you're looking for a camera.

Argumentative:

The BEST camera ANYONE can have is the one that:
a) can immediately share the picture to others (known/unknown),
b) can save to a backup medium other than physically connected to the camera,
c) can improve beyond what the manufacturer shipped at point of sale
^ algorhythms in software to fine tune all around or specific camera and picture processing quality!

This has been the case since after the FIRST phone to have a camera and sold: Ericsson T68m/SonyEricsson T68i - add-on camera and since the first 2MP quality phone shipped SE K750i / W800i. The fans created the aftermarket of camera drivers which vastly improved the quality and allowed SE to ship the phone 2yrs beyond initial release due to the global demand in spite of the Nokia heyday.
 
There is this thing called focal length.... Phones will never approach DLSR for that simple reason.

Cameras on phones are nice , yet not the "end all be all" as they are the modern polaroids. People still today will break out the DLSR if they want to create memories not a phone camera. People put too much faith in phones being able to replace all...despite apl ads trying to make you feel better about spending $749
What percentage of people in the world do you think own DSLRs?
 
What percentage of people in the world do you think own DSLRs?


I have no idea... in our family we have two, plus a compact one. I would assume younger less as they grew up on smartphones. 12MP is not that great yet Apl will sell it as great.
 
Apple and advertising, When they reckon they have a good thing going they really like the smell of cheese.

I'm just wanting for the Youtube video of "One Night in Bangkok." I'll even stick on that tune as i watch :)
 
For that first ad Tim Cook was prolly like, "ok team, so what can we do to target the homosexual market" lol
 
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Good grief, we're reduced to this? Will there ever be any interesting, or even exciting Apple news again? Seems not, just new ads, beta software releases, phone gossip, and breathless updates about that damned office building. What a sad state of affairs.
 
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lol,, if there are any regret these ads are short anyway.. Their over in 16 seconds..
 
Any point & shoot pocket camera (Sony, Canon, etc) is a better camera than an iPhone will ever be. iPhone has a good camera for a smartphone, but it certainly isn't a good camera if you're looking for a camera.

For most tasks it's a great camera for those needy social media shots.

I just spent a weekend shooting northern lights, seeing people turn up with smartphones, cause they buy into these commercials is just sad. Also when the guide was explaining settings for night time shooting, people had no idea of the concepts , welcome to generation point and click , and upload to social medial. The individuals with DSLRs got amazing shots while the smartphone users got blurry green...
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Yes, there is a "thing" called focal length. And for many, the roughly 30mm focal length (wrt to full-frame) is ideal for what people with phones want to make photos of. That is, their travels, friends, relatives, etc.

"Phones will never approach DLSR for that simple reason."
And nobody claims they will.

Ultimately, the strength of a photo and its ability to create an emotional connection to a viewer has very little to do with the camera used. Rather, it's about the photographer and his/her life experiences, eye, imagination, ability to compose, understanding light, understanding context and choosing what's is/isn't in the frame, and much much more.

Many photographers choose to use a phone cam as their "always with them camera." I do and have been shooting with one for years.


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You are 100% right. It's not the gear, it's the photographer capturing the moment. That pic you added, you could have used a disposable camera, no need for an expansive smartphone, let alone a DSLR.

DSLRs just let you capture moments that a smartphone cannot, and vice versa having smartphone handy means you will capture a moment that you would otherwise not due to time to get one out or even carry one around . As they they, the best camera is the one you have with you .
 
The gap between phone cameras and your average point and shoot camera has closed a tremendous amount over the last 10 years (even though both have improved) and that trend is likely to continue.

Actually, it really hasn't. What's happened is that cell phone cameras were originally so bad that they didn't even qualify as a camera in most people's opinions, but they eventually they got good enough to be usable at larger-than-thumbnail sizes. It turns out that the number of people who want more than a minimally usable camera is relatively small, so when cell phones exceeded that threshold, most of those users no longer required a point-and-shoot and stopped buying them.

The gap, however, notwithstanding the improvement caused by backside illumination (which disproportionately helps smaller sensors), is approximately as wide as it always was. Software-based depth-of-field effects almost invariably look fake to a trained eye and can't easily be fixed because the hardware can only "see" around one side of close objects at any given time, the lack of a decent optical zoom range seriously limits flexibility, the tiny lens can't be usefully stopped down because it is almost diffraction limited wide open, low-light usability of the non-IS version is only comparable to a turn-of-the-century DSLR or point-and-shoot with a non-IS f/4 lens, and so on.

Yes, when you look at cell phone cameras from ten years ago, they've made a lot of progress. But when I look at a DSLR from nine years ago and compare it with the one I just got, the difference is equally dramatic:

  • built-in Wi-Fi and GPS
  • live view mode with video recording capability
  • dual-pixel autofocus for fast focusing in live view mode (similar to Apple's focus pixels, but without losing pixels)
  • ability to refocus pictures after the fact (if I shoot in a mode that burns through twice as much storage per photo)
  • usable at ISO 12,800 instead of being horrible above ISO 400
  • ability to focus in about 1/11th as much light (a 3.5 EV improvement in AF sensitivity)
  • 30 megapixels versus 10
  • 7 frames per second still shooting versus 3
  • dramatically more capable software in every way
And yes, there are differences in price between those cameras, too, but most of the difference comes from several generations of improvements in image sensors.

And ten years ago, you were lucky if point-and-shoot cameras had zooms, and even if they did, they were typically on the order of 4x. Today, you can get some with 64x zooms. They've come a really long way, too. In that time, cell phone cameras went from 1x to 2x. Yay.
 
How long do i expect to get the final beta of portrait mode? I have seen samples bokeh of Vivo v5+ which seem to blur edges of the subject better. Anyone?

Good question. I think the beta of Portrait mode is still a while out yet before it's finalized. I still think it has a long way to go with sensitivity of light and distance being slow/particular. Perhaps, this is just a guess, but the WWDC conference in June 2017 we could see a finalized version for iOS 11.
 
You are 100% right. It's not the gear, it's the photographer capturing the moment. That pic you added, you could have used a disposable camera, no need for an expansive smartphone, let alone a DSLR.

DSLRs just let you capture moments that a smartphone cannot, and vice versa having smartphone handy means you will capture a moment that you would otherwise not due to time to get one out or even carry one around . As they they, the best camera is the one you have with you .

Absolutely. The thing is, I always have my phone with me and it does so much more, in addition to making excellent photographs. I view it as kind of a "swiss army knife" system that supports the kind of photography i engage in.

Go to most any photography forum and the discussions almost always center on gear, and the never ending quest for owning "the best." It's much easier to pull out one's credit card and purchase a "better" piece of gear thinking it will make you a better photographer, than spending the enormous amount of time it takes to learn how to see, read light, engage people, learning how photos stimulate a viewer's imagination to release narrative, study the work of the greats, practice, etc, etc.

Whenever I meet a photographer I can usually size up where they are by asking a simple question: What do you shoot?

If the answer is something like, "I have a Canon 5D mk 4 with a 24-70 zoom," that tells me something.

If the answer is something like, "I make photographs of people I meet and engage in urban environments," that tells me something else.

Another iSnap:
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Every camera on a phone is a phony camera. Especially when zoom lag is terrible.
But Apple cameras are good because Eddy Cue likes them because it's Apple.
 
Not confusing,

With my 950 in my pocket, dedicated camera button and being a good photographer I can get some awesome shots with my phone , however if I know I'm going to say Alaska. Europe or the Caribbean, bringing a DLSR with multiple lenses is desirable.... I guess the way I look at it is for planned memories bring the camera, for everyday memories some of which can be amazing ...have the phone charged and on you.
It's confusing when this is your claim.
People still today will break out the DLSR if they want to create memories not a phone camera.
So basically any memories with a phone camera is invalid per your statement.

I think its a bit disingenuous of Apl to so highly promote their 12MP camera, people may think a DLSR is not needed when in fact the best pics can be obtained with one in the right hands. The time lapse shots are just silly no one has time to do those...but they make good ad copy.
Apple is not claiming pros must abandon their gears and only use iPhone. Apple's target is the general user. Do they need DSLR?

You can be a photographer, but don't be an elitist.
 
Apple's ad's are at their best when they show you what the product can do. Glad to see them getting back to their roots with the iPhone ad campaigns. And - dang - this camera is fantastic!

Truth.. I'm totally satisfied with my 7plus. Camera shoots some stunning pics
 
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