Apple Shares Hit New High for 2016 as Samsung Considers Scrapping Note 7 [Update: Note 7 Officially Discontinued]

[ackmondual]

Since when is Apple in the computer business?

Can't really argue this in more ways than one.... About a decade ago for one of their conferences, they announced they changed their name from "Apple Computers, Inc." to just "Apple, Inc." on account that they don't sell just computers (they were also getting into or already into the iPhone, and when the Ipod Classic was still going on)
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As tempting as it is to just gloat over Samsung's misfortune—I'm not a fan of the company—this story makes me wonder what it means about the safety of lithium ion batteries in general, especially when you consider similar problems with hoverboards catching fire. How close to the edge are iPhones and other Apple devices with similar power sources, and what's the outlook for safer battery technology?

I'm worried that Apple will just rest on their laurels again. The next iPhone will just come out with a new shade of some their existing colors, slight bump in specs, they'll mention it won't explode, and charge $650+ for what's essentially the same difference.

 

[duervo]

The phablet device market is too lucrative for Samsung to completely abandon it. There'll likely be a replacement device eventually. It will just be re-branded in the process.

I'm just waiting for the re-brand memes to surface with anticipated new names. The comedic value there (to me) cannot be understated.

 

[shoppy]

In the mean time, I am going to keep on using my device as it has worked fine since last month, if anything my 7plus is fairly hot in contrast to my note 7.

 

[Dave245]

Can't agree. All the Samsung engineers and others (like the CPSC) looked at it and found a specific vendor battery was the common thread. Being unable to replicate the issue in the lab (still an issue to date) and recognizing the need for a quick resolution (from a corporate and safety perspective), the Samsung battery vendor was placed on hold and the Chinese vendor used. Recall issued and good units went out.
As we now see, this was not the "smoking gun" solution as thought and there are additional issues. The root cause has not been identified nor replicated. So Samsung made the decision to kill production.

What you allude to, and I challenge any engineering group to better, is to have a 100% quick fix solution for a non-replicatable issue. As for someone being killed, potential is always there for any battery powered device that goes up in smoke or flame. It happens to all OEM's of smartphones. Your comment is unnecessarily inflammatory.

My point is simply this, they shouldn't of sent out any of the Note 7's if they didn't know what the problem was 100% it looks very bad on them. As for my comment being inflammatory I think that's rather unfair, I was making a point that Samsung knew of the dangers the second time around and should not of sent out the Note 7 the second time unless they were 100% sure it was fixed, the buck stops with Samsung, it is their responsibly to ensure their devices are safe for people to use.

 

[dotnet]

According to Verizon's CEO, Note buyers are still loyal to Samsung and Android.

And who would ever doubt the words of Verizon's CEO?

 

[ellsworth]

I can't decide whether to purchase more iStock or Eco-Stock... Hmm...

 

[MysteryMii215]

And who would ever doubt the words of Verizon's CEO?

Like the time when he said that Verizon was never going to do Rollover Data. And guess what? They ended up doing Rollover Data.

 

[dk001]

If I get your response correctly, you are basically saying that Samsung didn't know what the problem was, and so randomly pointed their fingers at the battery. What is that if not playing Russian roulette with the safety of not only their consumers but that of the people around them as well?

In hindsight, Samsung should have recalled all their phones and issued any replacements. They didn't do so likely because they couldn't bear the prospect of losing profits and market share to Apple.

And now Samsung's greed and hypocrisy is open for all in the world to see.

As the saying goes - you reap what you sow.

No. I am saying their engineers, and others (non-Samsung) looked for the common thread amongst defective units and the battery was identified as the likely culprit. Unable to replicate the issue in house, the decision was made that this was the likely fix. Everybody was breathing a sigh of relief. Till the new units started going up in smoke.
I suspect at the time it made sense. In hindsight, not so much.

 

[Archer1440]

Actually, I am of the opposite mindset.
After a debacle like this, you can likely count on Samsung's quality to be a cut above.

That particular's company history tends not to support your mindset, but people seemingly have short memories.

Self-bricking tablets and phones, self-destructing SSD's, and, oh, a culture of corruption.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/b...g-galaxy-note7-profit-battery-fires.html?_r=0

 

[dk001]

My point is simply this, they shouldn't of sent out any of the Note 7's if they didn't know what the problem was 100% it looks very bad on them. As for my comment being inflammatory I think that's rather unfair, I was making a point that Samsung knew of the dangers the second time around and should not of sent out the Note 7 the second time unless they were 100% sure it was fixed, the buck stops with Samsung, it is their responsibly to ensure their devices are safe for people to use.

In hindsight they likely agree with you (Samsung). I suspect though that when the "solution" was tentatively identified, management, investors, sellers, carriers, etc went berserk and wanted the "fixed" units yesterday.
Management never wants to hear "we don't know" and if you say "we think we have a solution" they never hear the "think" portion.
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That particular's company history tends not to support your mindset, but people seemingly have short memories.

Self-bricking tablets and phones, self-destructing SSD's, and, oh, a culture of corruption.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html

Could be right. I see a significant difference between "brick" and "catch on fire". I do suspect the advertisers and marketers are going into "OMG Opportunity Time" mode over at Samsung.

 

[thekeyring]

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I could not live on what SS pays me....my profits as an Apple Stock investor has saved me....if the younger Apple posters were smart...they would invest in apple stock instead of every new product that comes along....when you retire...that iPhone 7, 8 etc cannot feed you.

Why was this a reply to me?

 

[chr1s60]

Can't really argue this in more ways than one.... About a decade ago for one of their conferences, they announced they changed their name from "Apple Computers, Inc." to just "Apple, Inc." on account that they don't sell just computers (they were also getting into or already into the iPhone, and when the Ipod Classic was still going on)

I think back when the original iPhone and iPad were still in development, Apple made a critical revelation regarding home computers. Though they still play a role in peoples lives(and always will), especially regarding work and school, the average consumer over time loses the need for a computer as phones and tablets can do more and more. Apple clearly saw this and shifted their business model to reflect it. Yes, they are still in the computer business, but they know it's a dumb strategy to focus too much on computers when in a sense, they are somewhat of a dying consumer product. 10 years ago I couldn't have imagined what I would do without my laptop, but now being out of school and not really needing a home computer for work I find myself rarely using my desktop or laptop since my phone or iPad can do practically anything my computer can. I am not saying the home computer will ever die, but I am sure my situation isn't rare and more and more people make the realization of no longer needing a computer. I personally already know quite a few people that no longer have a computer and strictly use a tablet or their phone. Many may say it is Apple turning on their roots, but many others will see it as a company proactively changing their business plan for the future before many, if not all other major players saw the shift coming.
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The phablet device market is too lucrative for Samsung to completely abandon it. There'll likely be a replacement device eventually. It will just be re-branded in the process.

I'm just waiting for the re-brand memes to surface with anticipated new names. The comedic value there (to me) cannot be understated.

I feel like the so called phablet is a dead term. When the majority of phones on the market had a 4" screen or smaller it was fitting, but in the current day when the majority of new phones have a 5" screen or bigger, they are just a normal phone. If anything a phone with a screen under 5" should have a nickname pointing out it's size as opposed to the opposite.

 

[Abazigal]

Apple's hardware is not superior, LMAO.

For the millions of people who bought an iphone, it is, and that's really all that matters.

 

[dk001]

For the millions of people who bought an iphone, it is, and that's really all that matters.

Why do you say that?
All smart device OEMs have had some type of hardware issue. Most have been design flaws discovered after launch. This is no difference and limited to one model. Safety issue aside, how is this any different and how can you say iPhone hardware is superior?

 

[Nefilim]

I'd think that most of the people that got burnt by buying the Note 7 would stick to an Android replacement device nevertheless, either way, good for Apple!

 

[Abazigal]

Why do you say that?

If I love the way my iPhone works and looks and feels, I don't see the point or the logic of another Android fanboy telling me that I am wrong.

I have no issue with other people's choice of smartphone, but I do have issues with other people having issues with my choice of smartphone. It's rude and presumptuous and irritating and when I see arguments which irritate me, I like to tear them apart into tiny pieces.

 

[SMIDG3T]

Nice bait thread title. Couldn't leave it at Apple's finances, had to throw Samsung's name in there. How many added clicks did that net you?

In a month where Apple's dying Mac lineup was supposed to be revamped, MacRumors has gotten to the bottom of the story... By posting article after article of incremental beta updates as front-page news. Well done.

I guess I'm missing the big picture. I visit websites like this because Apple products interest me. But all I get from this site now are shareholder results and software developer ads. Thanks.

Of course they had to throw Samsung in there, it's what the whole story is about! Duh...

And if you don't like what's being posted on the site, guess what? Don't visit the site. It's not rocket science. Maybe it is to you though.

 

[dk001]

If I love the way my iPhone works and looks and feels, I don't see the point or the logic of another Android fanboy telling me that I am wrong.

I have no issue with other people's choice of smartphone, but I do have issues with other people having issues with my choice of smartphone. It's rude and presumptuous and irritating and when I see arguments which irritate me, I like to tear them apart into tiny pieces.

Cool. I can see that.

 

[Wanted797]

For most people that would potentially switch I think it just comes down to wanting the phone here and now. This is understandable if you have no other phone to use for the time being, but for someone who does have a phone as a backup, it shouldn't be a deal breaker. I'm sure the cell providers aren't helping with their ridiculous estimates of when someone could have the 7 plus, but I know my friend just ordered two 7 Pluses and they are both being delivered within about 18 days of ordering. So how this leads to any cell company telling someone it will take 2 or more months, I have no clue.

Cell companies generally have no idea. Apple doesn't tell us anything. All we get is 'Soon' or 'November' or something like that.

 

[1=1?]

Actually, I am of the opposite mindset.
After a debacle like this, you can likely count on Samsung's quality to be a cut above.

Yeah? How'd those replacement Notes go?

 

[dk001]

Yeah? How'd those replacement Notes go?

You obviously didn't read much of the preceding posts.

 

[mi7chy]

And who would ever doubt the words of Verizon's CEO?

My Verizon unlimited data is still truly unlimited unlike AT&T, Tmobile, Sprint and others.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

OTOH, do you remember when people refused to fly on 737s because nobody had figured out yet why they would sometimes roll over and dive into the ground? (Hint: rudder servo reversal) Heck, I love aircraft but even I used to avoid them for a while.

Many thought that was the end of the 737, but the problem was eventually found and fixed, passengers forgot about the crashes, and it's gone on to become the best-selling commercial jetliner ever.

OTOHH: 737's were all that flew into my local 'international' airport. You either drove two and a half hours, or you flew. Given how many 737's rolled over in flight, there are less Note's exploding, but the risk is greater.

 

[dk001]

OTOHH: 737's were all that flew into my local 'international' airport. You either drove two and a half hours, or you flew. Given how many 737's rolled over in flight, there are less Note's exploding, but the risk is greater.

Greater? Can you explain that one for me?
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Question for anyone....
How many Note 7's actually went up in smoke? How many Note 7's were actually sold?

Can't seem to find either number ...

 

[MRU]

Greater? Can you explain that one for me?
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Question for anyone....
How many Note 7's actually went up in smoke? How many Note 7's were actually sold?

Can't seem to find either number ...

There was 2.5 million devices recalled but that includes unsold inventory. Around 1 million estimated sold in USA. 200,000 in China.

As someone pointed out ... in the USA the N7 was on sale 34 days total. In that time around 94 'reported' failures happened equating to 3 a day in the USA.

Had it launched in Europe where there is greater population and potential sales that could be double that number in Europe alone.

Essentially comparatively to any other smartphone or LiPo battery device 3 a day in America alone (and that number would have presumably escalated had they been on wider sale after the first recall, they were not) is ridiculously high.

Factor in the potential escalation of incidents from more devices in America had it been kept on sale (more devices sold = likely more reported incidents as the issue was not resolved) and throw Europe and India into the mix had they managed to get launched there and you had a potentially unprecedented level of failures going forward.

If we think the amount of failure coverage the device got was excessive now, imagine had it continued in all territories for another month or two unabated (as Samsung clearly did not fix this after first recall at all).

Imagine If the Note sold similar numbers to the standard Galaxy S or iPhone ranges, and in that 30 days it sold 10 million units in that period, we would based on the trajectory defined so far, be looking at around 30+ incidents a day of devices exploding/frying.