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2) unless your disabled it takes no effort to switch things on yourself

Disagree 100%. The reason I decided to buy in to HomeKit was Siri because there are times when physically or even using an iDevice to switch things off is not convenient.

Just a few cases for you though plenty others:

1. You are in bed reading or watching tv and you suddenly start to nod off. You don't want to move, just fall asleep. "Hey Siri, Goodnight." Lights turn off.

2. You wake up in the middle of the night and it's colder or warmer than normal. I don't want to get out of bed. "Hey Siri, increase/decrease thermostat 2 degrees."

3. You are having a dinner party and you overhear a guest say it's cold in the house. The thermostat is upstairs and you don't want your guest to feel embarrassed because you went to turn up the heat. You slyly open your phone and up the heat. No one knows.

4. You are in a rush in the morning and forget to lock the garage door. You are driving so it's not safe to use your phone. "Hey Siri, lock the doors."

Homekit and voice control is a fantastic concept when it works. The problem with Siri is it isn't true natural language -- you have to speak her language, she depends on a 3rd party server, when you have to reset your iDevice your devices may or may not be recognized after you complete the process.
 
Disagree 100%. The reason I decided to buy in to HomeKit was Siri because there are times when physically or even using an iDevice to switch things off is not convenient.

Just a few cases for you though plenty others:

1. You are in bed reading or watching tv and you suddenly start to nod off. You don't want to move, just fall asleep. "Hey Siri, Goodnight." Lights turn off.

2. You wake up in the middle of the night and it's colder or warmer than normal. I don't want to get out of bed. "Hey Siri, increase/decrease thermostat 2 degrees."

3. You are having a dinner party and you overhear a guest say it's cold in the house. The thermostat is upstairs and you don't want your guest to feel embarrassed because you went to turn up the heat. You slyly open your phone and up the heat. No one knows.

4. You are in a rush in the morning and forget to lock the garage door. You are driving so it's not safe to use your phone. "Hey Siri, lock the doors."

Homekit and voice control is a fantastic concept when it works. The problem with Siri is it isn't true natural language -- you have to speak her language, she depends on a 3rd party server, when you have to reset your iDevice your devices may or may not be recognized after you complete the process.

could not agree more. Where I live the fans were just fans with no overhead lights in the living room or bedrooms. I have lamps and a few hue dimmers. Sure, I could have bought new fans with lights and wired it to work, but this was actually much easier and I get the added benefit of voice commands. I do not actually use homekit or Siri though. I have echo's in every room so use that.
 
...To the comment above, you really don't need an expensive high-end setup. If you choose the right bits, and have the technical know-how to set it all up, it's not as expensive as you'd think.
You don't really need the extra layers of security Apple insists on. It's not nearly as expensive that way. And the next time you read an article about how much worse the next IoT hack is than anything prior to it, remember that your advice helped fuel that. Setting it up is like cocking a pistol. That's not a sufficient skill set for the task.
 
I wish there were more peripherals but it is an exciting time and I think Apple has done a great job of forcing 3PPs to utilize security good enough to keep my IOT devices safe.
 
I wish there were more peripherals but it is an exciting time and I think Apple has done a great job of forcing 3PPs to utilize security good enough to keep my IOT devices safe.

iOS had three multi year zero days...when a platform is not safe neither are are the other devices
Check the latest US-Cert
Vulnerability Summary for the Week of February 20, 2017
https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/bulletins/SB17-058

check out High and medium look at the vendors paints a picture most here don't know about

What were saying about safe apl homekit IOT again?
They must secure the underlying platforms first. see Microsoft (search that list:))

See on Microsoft side security is a must, on Apl side they just recently started trying to paying hackers a bit/way behind the curve there.
 
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I'll bookmark that page. Great resource. Thanks!

No need to be snarky though. I'm merely referencing the repeated complains from HomeKit third parties who continue to complain about how difficult it is to achieve HK certification because of Apple's strict security requirements.

So, among IOT platforms (Samsung, Google, Alexa, etc), Apple appears to be the most stringent. There will always be vulnerabilities but i'm making an uneducated assumption that Apple has a leg-up among the IOT platforms even if the best security on anything is never being connected to the Internet at all
 
I'll bookmark that page. Great resource. Thanks!

No need to be snarky though. I'm merely referencing the repeated complains from HomeKit third parties who continue to complain about how difficult it is to achieve HK certification because of Apple's strict security requirements.

So, among IOT platforms (Samsung, Google, Alexa, etc), Apple appears to be the most stringent. There will always be vulnerabilities but i'm making an uneducated assumption that Apple has a leg-up among the IOT platforms even if the best security on anything is never being connected to the Internet at all

Making it harder does not equate to security. In fact security is best when simple. Hence cloud ,hence WaaS. Sorry if I came across as snarky in my field its pretty much black or white, not much in-between, I don't do fluff. I try to simplify a complex problem. Cut through the BS and relay the information in a palatable form ..people need to know.

Here is a hint: Don't believe Apl they will paint things a certain way.
Heres another hint: I do not do IOT or "phone pay" even though I could
 
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This made me laugh harder than I thought it would

But it's not THAT bad now is it..

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Wow.
Apple Watch is marketed as a device to pester you to get up & move around.

Home Kit is marketed as a device to encourage you to be a lazy slob and push buttons on your iPhone.

Apple is covering all bases
 
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Wow.
Apple Watch is marketed as a device to pester you to get up & move around.

Home Kit is marketed as a device to encourage you to be a lazy slob and push buttons on your iPhone.

Apple is covering all bases

Breath too. People sometimes forget. Apl saving brain cells.
 
Oh, please, give it a rest. What about "when apple decided to do it they are miles ahead of those already in the space..." And their not ready because THEY'LL do it RIGHT.
What are you talking about?!

The comment was "The Home app needs major improvements".

What v1 product from Apple hasn't had that complaint?
 
Well it actually appears Apple released a little bit more than their own new Homekit video and website i.e. some products on their accessory list are not announced to the public yet...
 
Through the 3rd-party homebridge program I've found HomeKit to be quite useful actually. It can control all sorts of things, if they ever block homebridge from functioning though it would immediately become completely useless to me. I think they need to add more device types though they are pretty limited at the moment.

I'm actually hoping they add HomeKit support to macOS soon - I don't understand why they didn't.

Those are actually two things I would really like to see, a Swift version of Homebridge supported by Apple and HomeKit for macOS.

It's a long story but our house is wried with commercial lighting panels, the type you would have in a school or office building; each can control up to 12 separate lighting circuits. I've been using Homebridge with great success since iOS 10 was introduced.
 
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Wow.
Apple Watch is marketed as a device to pester you to get up & move around.

Home Kit is marketed as a device to encourage you to be a lazy slob and push buttons on your iPhone.

Apple is covering all bases
For me, a lot of the automation I've done is security related. For example if the motion detector senses someone in the driveway/front of the house, it can look to see if it's dark outside and if so, check to see if the outside lights are on. If they aren't, it'll flip them on for 5 minutes, and then automatically flip them back off. It also will make a sound inside, to give a heads up that someone's outside.

But yeah, if I'm sacked out in bed and the temperature in my room isn't right, I'm def going to ask Siri to turn on my fan (or adjust the thermostat for me) vs. getting out of bed and doing it myself. Definitely a lazy slob in that sense. Lol
 
iOS had three multi year zero days...when a platform is not safe neither are are the other devices
Check the latest US-Cert
Vulnerability Summary for the Week of February 20, 2017
https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/bulletins/SB17-058

check out High and medium look at the vendors paints a picture most here don't know about

What were saying about safe apl homekit IOT again?
They must secure the underlying platforms first. see Microsoft (search that list:))

See on Microsoft side security is a must, on Apl side they just recently started trying to paying hackers a bit/way behind the curve there.
Here are iOS 9 users and they don´t want to upgrade risky and stupid. IMHO
 
• Her Mac is still on El Capitan, Siri should recommend and update
• Does Apple provide specific vendors/hardware for these abilities...normal consumers will find it somewhat confusing.
It would be nice if they put together an automation kit recommendation that would play well with their Software and functionality
 
Disagree 100%. The reason I decided to buy in to HomeKit was Siri because there are times when physically or even using an iDevice to switch things off is not convenient.

Just a few cases for you though plenty others:

1. You are in bed reading or watching tv and you suddenly start to nod off. You don't want to move, just fall asleep. "Hey Siri, Goodnight." Lights turn off.

2. You wake up in the middle of the night and it's colder or warmer than normal. I don't want to get out of bed. "Hey Siri, increase/decrease thermostat 2 degrees."

3. You are having a dinner party and you overhear a guest say it's cold in the house. The thermostat is upstairs and you don't want your guest to feel embarrassed because you went to turn up the heat. You slyly open your phone and up the heat. No one knows.

4. You are in a rush in the morning and forget to lock the garage door. You are driving so it's not safe to use your phone. "Hey Siri, lock the doors."

Homekit and voice control is a fantastic concept when it works. The problem with Siri is it isn't true natural language -- you have to speak her language, she depends on a 3rd party server, when you have to reset your iDevice your devices may or may not be recognized after you complete the process.
So basically become lazy? I love the future.
 
So basically become lazy? I love the future.

You should change your forum name to "Mr. Ludd." Sure. Lazy if that is how it makes you feel better. I'm sure you also refuse to use your TV's remote too because what's the point? No bother to just get up and manually flip channels during a commercial break. Enjoy you 1950 life. :D I'm happy in 2017 and looking forward to what the year's beyond bring.
 
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To me, Apple is still laying the foundation for all of this.
You should change your forum name to "Mr. Ludd." Sure. Lazy if that is how it makes you feel better. I'm sure you also refuse to use your TV's remote too because what's the point? No bother to just get up and manually flip channels during a commercial break. Enjoy you 1950 life. :D I'm happy in 2017 and looking forward to what the year's beyond bring.
Wonder if these folks keep a fire running all day to keep their houses warm/cook on/heat the water for their weekly bath, too? Lord. lol
 
What are you talking about?!

The comment was "The Home app needs major improvements".

What v1 product from Apple hasn't had that complaint?

People simplify multi-touch successes..yes Iphone sold in volume as first viable multi touch phone for the masses and iPad followed with a similar track for a while in tablets... so they wrongly assume it'll be that way always.

lately if anything ap is way behind the curve on almost everything

I was coming into work today and heard two telling quotes from apl fanbois on the podcast...they were taking about keyboard and how apl refuses to allow third party. The conversation switched to the basic apl keyboard and they talked about how basic is was say over G-bard the they brought up the ipad and one of them simply matter of factly said "Yea you simply type on an ipad its horrible"

Then they brought up the curved oled and one remarked the new Samsung or G6 phones make my new iphone 7 "looks so old". LOL its like a therapy session that's why I listen in. Good comedy.
 
I love using Siri with Homekit, but just have one request: less talking!

When I say "hey Siri, lights out" to my phone, I get a pretty unnecessarily long response like "Your wish is my command, Jake. Voila! Your humble abode is ready for 'lights out' ".

On the Watch, Siri says "Ok, done." which is exactly the right level of response.
 
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So the UX of the Home App is a background image and rounded squares on the foreground? I expected more to be honest. I don't know the solution, but I wanted to say "wow, se how cool is to control my house!"
 
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