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Apple Shares More Details on iOS 16.1 Clean Energy Charging Feature
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I didn't have kids. You're welcome. I've already done more for the environment than any recycling, "carbon pinching", vegan diet, ect. will ever do.
I always find it funny that the people that seem to be the most concerned about the environment are the ones that pumped out 3-4 kids.
Some genes should be passed on, Some not. The environment thanks for your improvement of the gene pool.
It looks as though I’ll need to wait until I’m back in the US to turn this off. It would be nice to have that option immediately…
Turned off. I want my phone to charge when I plug it in. Not when it feels like it.
I've had it on and overnight it charges to 100% every single time.
Or people like me who like to charge Anker power bricks and use those to charge my phone so I can charge wherever/whenever I want. If I have enough will power, I'll use my 100w+ panels to charge the bricks up.
It looks like it takes location in account and isn't used when you're traveling - just when you're at home.
From what I can see - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213323 - seems to indicate it is heavily location based and probably habitual based like the optimized charging.
This will probably only be used for those that leave their phones plugged in for long periods of time.
Take California for example: http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx
Most of California's usage is between the hours of 1700 and 2200 (5:00pm - 10:00pm).
Head over to the supply part of the graph: http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.html
CA's natural gas plants power most of CA and between sunlight hours 9am - 5pm they're not used much. But outside of those hours they get used quite a bit.
So I imagine... if I leave my phone plugged in a lot, it'll charge my phone to 100% during 8am-5pm?
Not really sure how that works or would work. I imagine most people plug in coming home from work 5-8pm and that is when usage is highest so if it waits to charge till 3-4am - that's when grid usage is lowest. I guess.
And yes... we should be investing heavily into nuclear... one of the cleanest ways to generate a ton of reliable energy.
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My guess... but let's take the 40 million people in California https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-population and say .... just for sake of argument that 10 million of them have iPhones and again for sake of argument, they all have this clean energy feature on and they all charge after work between 5-8pm.
That's 10 million iPhones not pulling 20watts at the same time during peak grid hours. That's 200 million watts not hitting the grid requiring the grid to increase the output of natural gas generators. Perfect case scenario.
Now real world will probably be much less but it will have an impact.
Wonder how this works when driving across country say from north idaho to south dakota? Does it know you are on the road moving from state to state and thus throttling your charging based on location and based on green available energy? Oh wait, i’m charging from my gas powered car…how does it reconcile that? Think I’ll just turn it off.
The feature is used in conjunction with significant locations. So if you’re driving cross country my guess is it won’t activate.
All this cognitive dissonance over a toggle. Sheesh.
I don't believe in indulgences. I turned that **** off immediately.
Cute how they turn it on by default, and if you try to turn it off they give you a beg screen offering to turn it off "just until tomorrow" rather than just GTFO.
I give it six months before enough people say "Hey! Why isn't my phone charging?" and turn this nonsense off to reach critical mass for tech reporting.
By the way, if I'm charging in my car, how does that meet any definition of "clean energy?"
Cute how they turn it on by default, and if you try to turn it off they give you a beg screen offering to turn it off "just until tomorrow" rather than just GTFO.
I give it six months before enough people say "Hey! Why isn't my phone charging?" and turn this nonsense off to reach critical mass for tech reporting.
By the way, if I'm charging in my car, how does that meet any definition of "clean energy?"
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I think that's why it has location as a requirement. My guess is it'll only work at a location that your phone spends a lot of time at (like home). And since it works with optimized charging:
"Clean Energy Charging works together with Optimized Battery Charging to learn your charging habits. Clean Energy Charging engages only where you spend the most time and regularly charge your iPhone for long periods of time, such as your home and place of work. The feature doesn't engage if your charging habits are variable or you're in a new location, such as when you travel."
Use Clean Energy Charging on your iPhone - Apple Support
With iOS 16.1, your iPhone can try to reduce your carbon footprint by selectively charging when lower carbon-emission electricity is available.
I am surprised this is on by default however the more I thought about it - I have never seen optimized charging turn on (and my wife does all the time) - I'm going to guess it won't affect those of us who don't have set charging habits.
I charge whenever I want, wherever I want - never consistently. I've never had optimized charging appear ever. My wife plugs in her phone at night before going to bed, and wakes up to a full phone and won't plug it in till again at night. Her phone uses optimized charging every night.
So I'm going to guess that because optimized charging waits to charge her phone till like 4am anyway, that's when the grid uses a lot less energy anyway .... they can claim "green charging" cuz technically pulling 20w at 4am is more green than pulling 20w at 10pm.
People like my wife won't notice a difference. People like me will never see it turn on. My educated guess is there won't be too many "Hey! Why isn't my phone charging?" moments.
Interesting idea. Wonder why it is available only in US. Maybe it will expamd to others countries in the future.
Exactly. I don't want to get shaken out of bed at 2am by an earthquake only to find my phone is dead b/c it decided not to charge yet! I want my electronics to do what I say, not what they "think" is best. If i plug you in, I want you to *#%$**g charge! (And yes, cells may be out in an earthquake, but maybe not. also, flashlight, compass, etc would be useful)
Yeah, but the light is powered by a windmill!
Which runs by having lots of fans pointed at it.
Which runs using tidal power!
From a lake by having boats whizz up and down.
This is ridiculous nonsense. Charging from clean energy - honestly? How gullible would you have to be to believe that? The electricity that comes down that cable could - and does - come from any source - hydro, coal/gas, nuclear, wind/solar - there's absolutely no way to tell, and even less way to preferentially switch between them. So having a little thing on a phone to select 'clean energy' is beyond meaningless. If you think moving a little slider on your phone from position A to position B is having the slightest effect on anything at all, then I have a bridge to sell you.
"A forecast of carbon emissions in the nearby energy grid"... based on what? Using what data? What forecasting model? Virtue Signalling at its worst.
And a note on terminology: If you're worried about carbon emissions, you don't know what you're talking about. Last time I checked, power stations do not emit large quantities of diamonds, graphite or graphene into the atmosphere. If you mean carbon dioxide, why not say carbon dioxide? Too complicated? Too long? Too sciency? Or just too lazy? And if you're worried about CO2 in the atmosphere, why aren't you worried about water vapour?
"A forecast of carbon emissions in the nearby energy grid"... based on what? Using what data? What forecasting model? Virtue Signalling at its worst.
And a note on terminology: If you're worried about carbon emissions, you don't know what you're talking about. Last time I checked, power stations do not emit large quantities of diamonds, graphite or graphene into the atmosphere. If you mean carbon dioxide, why not say carbon dioxide? Too complicated? Too long? Too sciency? Or just too lazy? And if you're worried about CO2 in the atmosphere, why aren't you worried about water vapour?
You forgot this is geolocated, so your phone consumes its battery reserve 30% faster to know if it should charge.
Oh by the way, please upgrade to the latest hardware to best enjoy the experience. Building an iphone and trashing the previous one only has the carbon footprint of 'bout 5 household year worth of energy consumption (not even factoring in ewaste and toxic mess of rare earth mining).
We used to criticise white collar BS. But big tech x corporate is really the worst of all. I am so sick of GAFA.
The real solution is energy austerity. Using less energy. This implies less compulsive buying of the latest techno gadget out there, less aimless screen time, etc. Which means less Apple, less Macrumors and other
Again stick to innovation. I’ll let you know when I want a choice and quit wasting code on something so stupid. That the includes handwashing tutorial.
You know humanity is a doomed species when they whine about and disable a toggle switch that has no direct impact on anything they do on a regular basis that could have a measured impact on the environment.
So if your phone dies on a plane for reasons unexpected you’re screwed? Correct?
Anyway, I’m glad the default is on. Every minimal little bit helps. I know that system customization and frequent locations have to be turned in for this to work. And that’s what I did.