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If the designers had done their jobs right, it would be clear enough to do these things without having to watch instructional videos.

How do you suggest making multitasking obvious just by looking at it? As iOS matures and more and more power features are added, it's going take some direction on how the gestures work. Similar to macOS.
 
The features are great. It seems iOS will slowly move towards OS X functionality, and it will probably attempt to become the lead OS for 99% of Mac-Apple users in 3-5 years. Why not? Apple will then have control over the entire build of their computers and design efficient chips that only serve their purposes, instead of multi-use chips put out by Intel.

Those videos, though... can you make them any more childish? The narrator talks like a kindergarten teacher, there is a toy piano in the background, and the cutesy sfx words... when did Apple substitute minimal class for malapropos classroom?
 
What really sucks is NONE of these great features will be available on the iPhone! I Want these features even dumbed down to be available on the iPhone but maybe with slight differences? none of which we've yet to see.

I don't want to be forced to buy an iPad.
 

Are the sales and marketing people running Apple now?

iOS 11 iPad features are not exactly the most intuitive...
 

Are the sales and marketing people running Apple now?

iOS 11 iPad features are not exactly the most intuitive...

I have heard a few people mention this. I agree that they take a little bit of a learning curve, but what are you expecting? What would be an intuitive or obvious way to have proper multitasking? I think the implementation is great and works well.
 
Nice videos..
My problem is that I just keep noticing what they are showing and how much easier and faster I can just do those things on any of my Macs.

I love my iPad, but I definitely continue to use it very differently than my Macs.
 
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Nice videos..
My problem is that I just keep noticing what they are showing and how much easier and faster I can just do those things on any of my Macs.

I love my iPad, but I definitely continue to use it very differently than my Macs.

Yeah CFederighi's team still over glamorizes Touch UI like some woman with long nails over accentuates a simple touch or touch and hold. Excrutiating to watch as if humans have no strength in their hands and fingers or that we'd accidentally break the glass lol. Still would like them to focus on efficiency along with the new powerful features.
 
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Yeah CFederighi's team still over glamorizes Touch UI like some woman with long nails over accentuates a simple touch or touch and hold. Excrutiating to watch as if humans have no strength in their hands and fingers or that we'd accidentally break the glass lol. Still would like them to focus on efficiency along with the new powerful features.

Yep.
I'd also like to see some thought around a keyboard/touchpad case in the way Gruber had talked about - really just a cursor control device (the "touchpad") specifically to make text editing much much more intuitive for iOS, especially when connect to a keyboard.

That's how I plan my weekend trip device requirements now. If any amount of text editing or long form replies to emails or other comms is required, a MacBook of some kind has to go with me, as I'm ready to stab myself trying to do it on iOS if it's anything more than a paragraph or two or any amount of editing comes into play.
 
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I have heard a few people mention this. I agree that they take a little bit of a learning curve, but what are you expecting? What would be an intuitive or obvious way to have proper multitasking? I think the implementation is great and works well.

It's not exactly the learning curve that concerns me - it is more the complexity of the process. Take for example the scenario where you'd like to add a second app as an overlay into the frame over the current app - if that 2nd app is not in your dock you need to go back to the home screen, find the 2nd app, hold down on that app's icon, find the app you came from, tap on that app while holding on to the 2nd app, and then let go of the 2nd app. By the time you get everything situated you have played a full game of Twister with your hands.

Then if you'd like to have a third app you'd need to know to drag the second app to the top and make it pop into the frame next to the initial app, then repeat the above process all over again - but in this case the average person would not be sure what would happen when they enter back into the initial app - will it be the split screen scenario that they had before or will the process reset and the app will be by itself again.

This is the kind of thing that looks cool in pictures/videos, but in practice is too complex to be useful - this is why I think the sales and marketing people are running the company now. They say "we need to sell more iPads so add x, y and z features" to the product people and the product people have no choice but to listen to them even if it makes no sense. Apple used to have the courage to lead the way when it came to specific product segments, which sometimes meant saying no. Now they are getting pushed around by the industry and seem more focused on numbers.
 
This is the kind of thing that looks cool in pictures/videos, but in practice is too complex to be useful - this is why I think the sales and marketing people are running the company now.

So well said.

I've been getting more and more worried about an actual lack of vision and focus from Apple over the last couple years. Knowing what to say yes to and no to, both in terms of full products as well as just direction of features, is a very challenging task.

It was always inevitable once the great editor passed away that things at Apple would change, but it still isn't fun to see in action if you don't think it's that great, as I do not..
 
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It's not exactly the learning curve that concerns me - it is more the complexity of the process. Take for example the scenario where you'd like to add a second app as an overlay into the frame over the current app - if that 2nd app is not in your dock you need to go back to the home screen, find the 2nd app, hold down on that app's icon, find the app you came from, tap on that app while holding on to the 2nd app, and then let go of the 2nd app. By the time you get everything situated you have played a full game of Twister with your hands.

Then if you'd like to have a third app you'd need to know to drag the second app to the top and make it pop into the frame next to the initial app, then repeat the above process all over again - but in this case the average person would not be sure what would happen when they enter back into the initial app - will it be the split screen scenario that they had before or will the process reset and the app will be by itself again.

This is the kind of thing that looks cool in pictures/videos, but in practice is too complex to be useful - this is why I think the sales and marketing people are running the company now. They say "we need to sell more iPads so add x, y and z features" to the product people and the product people have no choice but to listen to them even if it makes no sense. Apple used to have the courage to lead the way when it came to specific product segments, which sometimes meant saying no. Now they are getting pushed around by the industry and seem more focused on numbers.

I guess that's fair. I had a similar issue when I first downloaded iOS 11, but I have since just added all my most used apps to the dock and an "apps" folder to the dock for everything else. Makes it a lot easier.
 
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As long as 'swipe in from the right' still exists for last application used to slide over or snap alongside the current one, I'm good. I keep an awful lot of reference documentation on my personal OneDrive for my sysadmin job. Used to take my Surface Pro 4 into work to use alongside my desktop for reference (not a fan of paper everywhere on my desk; Kipple begets kipple). Now take my 2017 iPad in, and have the added bonus of iMessage there to snap alongside OneNote/OneDrive, not to mention a better Apple Music client on the iPad than iTunes is/was on the Surface Pro 4.

The supercharging of iOS's multitasking and file handling is going to improve what is already a fantastic device.

For those complaining about discoverability, how 'great' was pre-iOS 7 task switching on iPhone & iPad. The current slide over, swipe down to choose and snap method is night and day over what we had not so long ago. Not to mention I've loved Aero Snap on Windows since Windows 7, improved again in Windows 10 with quarter screen snap. Insanely useful for quickly organising my work desktop but not the most discoverable of features. That said, you only need to discover or be shown it once and you're good to go.

Once upon a time people didn't understand that an on screen pointer moved in proportion to moving a box with a button on with your hand on your physical desk.
 
Here's how to sign a document on Linux:

1. Recompile your kernel
2. Install the scanner driver
3. Download a Windows driver for your scanner that will get emulated to Linux (this actually happens for WiFi)
4. Find out there's a bug with your scanner, buy a new one
5. Find a PDF program that does one thing well, but doesn't do another things well
6. Change your distro, because the package for that particular PDF software is outdated and you really don't know how to compile the source by hand
7. Finally sign the document
8. Save the document to /tmp
9. Open your mail App
10. Send the PDF in a tar.gz
11. Recipient doesn't know WTF is a .tar.gz
12. Succumb to .zip, and send it again.

This feels like a relevant post from about 15 years ago. I came to macOS by way of Linux. I used it as my desktop (dare I say laptop) OS from 2001 to 2004. However, I haven't compiled a kernel since... does anyone really even still do that? Hell, when dealing with older hardware and printers, Linux has actually been the best of the big three (Windows, macOS, Linux) for me in recent history.

I'm trying to figure out why this was even posted.
 
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For those complaining about discoverability...

Almost every single person I know who has an iPhone didn't know about the Music app and the "more info/options" if you go down a pane (for things like Shuffle).

Just one example of how "non discoverable" things can really be.
I hope on device discoverability can keep getting better as we get more advanced here. Basically nobody should have to go to YouTube to figure out how to do things on their iOS device. Apple has failed in their job if that's the case.
 
Almost every single person I know who has an iPhone didn't know about the Music app and the "more info/options" if you go down a pane (for things like Shuffle).

Just one example of how "non discoverable" things can really be.
I hope on device discoverability can keep getting better as we get more advanced here. Basically nobody should have to go to YouTube to figure out how to do things on their iOS device. Apple has failed in their job if that's the case.

Consider also the reverse; aiding discoverability at the expense of simplicity. A first time user confronted with not only transport (rewind, play, fast forward) controls but also a settings button, shuffle, up next, lyrics button and everything else being on screen in the name of easy discoverability risks alienating someone coming to he Music app for the first time.

The decision in any UI is how to balance the two. Pro apps Uis often assume either training or prior familiarity to explain the mass of menus, buttons, palettes etc that a new user would find alienating. There are still people arguing that toolbars upon toolbars of equally sized, equally prominent and unlanbled buttons are a better Ui for Microsoft Office than even the newer, better optimised examples of the Office Ribbon.

I arrived on the mac in 2003 after using iTunes for Windows as a replacement for Windows Media Player on XP for ripping my CDs. Windows Media player was far more 'discoverable'. iTunes had just the most often used controls front and centre and everything else behind menus and option buttons.

It's not to say that Apple gets the balance right every time - scrolling down to find shuffle was annoying once I was aware of it too. I'm not sure any two people would necessarily agree on what should be on screen and discoverable vs hidden away in the name of simplicity and ease of use.
 
That was my only point.
The forum here is way too full of people that think Apple is God with all they do (not saying you think that).

I would argue the exact opposite - that this forum is way too full of people intent on crapping on everything that Apple does, even when it quickly becomes apparent that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, and just want Apple to blindly chase the latest trend even when there is no money to be made or is not in Apple's strategic interests.

I can't help but laugh when I see people claiming that Apple needs to release their version of the Alexa, or cheap fitness tracker, or buy Netflix or some other nonsensical suggestion. I think it's fair to say that their track record when it comes to suggesting what Apple needs to do to avoid becoming "doomed" has been downright abysmal to date.

Apple is not perfect, but it's not run by idiots either. Maybe try to explain Apple's success once in a while, instead of trying to explain it away all the time.
 
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I would argue the exact opposite - that this forum is way too full of people intent on crapping on everything that Apple does, even when it quickly becomes apparent that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, and just want Apple to blindly chase the latest trend even when there is no money to be made or is not in Apple's strategic interests.

I can't help but laugh when I see people claiming that Apple needs to release their version of the Alexa, or cheap fitness tracker, or buy Netflix or some other nonsensical suggestion. I think it's fair to say that their track record when it comes to suggesting what Apple needs to do to avoid becoming "doomed" has been downright abysmal to date.

Apple is not perfect, but it's not run by idiots either. Maybe try to explain Apple's success once in a while, instead of trying to explain it away all the time.


Heaven forbid that people should care about whether the devices are actually useful to them rather than Apples bottom line :eek:
 
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